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Am I the only one who feels the Phantom is a paper ship?
firekeeperhu
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Maybe I'm doing something very wrong, or the ship is broken, but I feel this ship is basically a "one-pump-champ" if the shield is dropped. I have decent gear, not top tier, but decent (mk XII-XIV rep), 50k+ HP, ~9k shield, lockbox traits, starship traits... and yet, if the enemy manages to drain my shield on only one side, and I get DMG there, the hull decrease dramatically. My previous ship was a JHAS, which has slightly more HP, but felt drastically tougher. Other than that, the ship handles very well, it has great dmg, good defense (I get a lot of misses), great speed, but it's survivability is really poor.
Does anyone else felt this?
Does anyone else felt this?
Defiant RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
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I also noticed that you flew the JHAS before, which for Pre-DR standards, was the queen of the game for years and years. Flying that spoiled your development of knowing this game more, TBH. The JHAS let you get away with so much before DR. Now that you're not flying it, you no longer have that to prop you up.
And though I flew the super-duper-mega-OP JHAS I don't think I forgot the basic principles of the game thank you
I'll post the build later!
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
What is your defense rating at? Mine stays about 120% the whole fight and can get up to 200 at max, so they would have to actually hit me first before my hull becomes a problem.
be advised: the weaponry is only temporary, I just haven't finished upgrading an epic xiv phaser set, and i will buy phaser vuln. locators as well, and after it I'm planning to upgrade the remaining part of the gear (some changes may come regarding universal consoles, and maybe I'll retire the assim module and the cutting too).
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
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Hull is not a problem at all in my build.
"Let them eat static!"
I'd have to back up what this guy says. Looking at the OP's build link, there really should be no issue surviving with that. Me, I'd give up the armor consoles and go more offense related but that's personal preference. The OP however did not list DOFFs, which will play a big role. Also, the Phantom at base hull is about 2k weaker than the T5 Fleet Defiant. Sure, it's less but it's not Bird of Prey hull thin.
I'd back up that it has to be how the ship is flown. Speed is life, most especially once you get Reciprocity from the Phantom. With the Counter-Command ENG & Deflector that the OP is using, the set is known for offensive & bonus defense boosts. The bonuses it has for ship sturdiness isn't good, so it's even more important to keep moving.
Actually, after having flown mine some more, I'd have to agree. Especially against like a Voth Bulwark, you can die almost instantly. And my build (see thread) is rather sturdy, really. Using my same trusted ATO3/ATD1 perma-resist combo on my Mobius, for instance, and I hardly get a scratch on me. And I have ca. 130 Power Insulaters on the Phantom.
This may warrant some further investigation.
IMHO, only thing the Voth do that you have to be ready for is their Tyken's Rift X. Their version of TR makes the original version of TR when STO was new look pathetic. You better have high Kinetic Resists and use every means you have to bail out of that rift ASAP or you're done in a handful of seconds. They did this in the Voth atmospheric zone which was a Normal area and even the TRs they pop will rip you apart. Your ship came out good for it due to the very heavy resists (A2D has high Kinetic even without the DOFF; Your high PI saves you from power drains; APO as your escape). But any ship that doesn't have those high kinetic resists, Phantom or not, is going to get ripped apart.
Other than that, the Bulwark is easy pickings.
Yeah. My point just was, in *every* other ship I fly, I don't have this problem at all. Like I said. my Mobius, for example, is hardly ever dented against Voth, and I can easily solo entire groups in the Contested Zone in it. But in my Phantom, I even noticed the Planet Killer suddenly takes half my hull: in any other ship, hull goes maybe down to 80% only. My resists are usually between ca. 37-53% (all active).
Against Borg, however, it's business as usual: hardly a scratch on me. So, yeah, this is kinda baffling. It's almost as if the Phantom itself is more susceptible to what the Voth are doing somehow.
This. Intel ship, cloak, escort. None of these suggest in any way shape or form that it's supposed to be more than a glass cannon. It is essentially a rogue in other MMOs, but instead of playing it like one we need more hull and LTC healing abilities. A rogue with plate armour and priest healing. Just because.
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You said yourself here that:
"Using my same trusted ATO3/ATD1 perma-resist combo on my Mobius, for instance, and I hardly get a scratch on me"
(I'm assuming ATO is a typo and actually is Attack Pattern Omega)
The build you posted up here for your Phantom does not list the A2D ability nor anything that grants extra resists, most importantly Kinetic since that's what TR does and the Super TR that certain Voth like to do.
Now, I'm not trying to be a smartass but just pointing out 2 very large build differences in withstanding damage. If you did switch over to APO/A2D at some point on your Phantom and it turned out better for it, that's why. APO is a "Get Out of Jail" card for most holds & CC. A2D, even undoffed, provides great Kinetic resists. Your original Phantom build lacked that but went with EPTx abilities and HE for clearing hazards. None of that helps against the high, raw Kinetic dmg the Voth Super TRs do.
No extra resists? LOL. Attack Pattern Delta offers +20 All Damage Resistance for 15 sec. Together with +25 All Damage resistance for 10 sec from APO3, and 2 Zemoks, you get a nice perma-resist for it. Didn't know that, did ya?!
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^^ Exactly this!
I fly many Escorts, all of which are quite sturdy. My perma-resist APO3/APD1 combo works like a charm on every other Escort; and even on the Phantom (Advanced Elites and such). Against Voth, however, the Phantom is suddenly a LOT weaker than anything else I've flown. Something is fishy.
And sure, it has lower hull. But it's not the amount of hull that's the issue, but how fast it dwindles at times. That is not happening on anything else I fly, including Fleet Defiant.
Then you should be equipping Intelligence Team at least once. It's an instant cloak that doesn't otherwise lower shields or mess with your weapon performance. So for all intents and purposes, it's a massive damage resistance buff. Unless you get hit with a tractor beam first or they use other cloak breaking abilities right away. Then you're hosed.
It's made more hilarious if you have both the Phantom and Eclipse Tier 5 Starship Mastery Traits.
The Eclipse one increaseases Defense & Resists when using ENG & Intel abilities. Enemies will miss you more.
And when they miss you, Reciprocity kicks in to cut down your TAC & Intel ability CDs.
All you need to do is keep the Phantom moving. Hell, "Elite" NPCs miss you when you're stationary, so this whole thing turns into one big Space Balls Comedy.
Hmm, I recall reading you can't fire during Intelligence Team!?
I own an Eclipse now too. Funny thing is, due to its dual Intel Intel/Eng Cmdr. boff station, I can use the *exact* same Intel-oriented station layout as on my Phantom.
Even funnier, Eclipse is actually a surprisingly good ship, even though it only has 3 Tact Consoles.
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