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meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
edited December 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Quick question. :) Does that boff for 35% chance of shield penetration bypass, upon BO, also trigger on the [Over] mod?

And related to that, is Surgical Strikes also an 'other attack' for said boff?

Thanks.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hmm, perhaps a mod would be so kind as to move to the 'game mechanics' forum, please? :)
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I would guess only the tac skill BO would trigger it.. but I have no evidence of this. Just a gut feeling.

    :P

    If [Over] did trigger it, that would require some coding etc..

    Would be nice to get an answer though. There's been a few in our fleet asking about this.
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Yes and no.

    [over] works funny. I built a set of 5 DBBS with the proc just to test it and here is what I know:

    - if they proc, my overload 3 is disabled for about 3-5 seconds of cooldown.
    - however if I use my BO3, I can get a proc immediately after it.

    - the combat log states "your beam overload 1 hit for blah blah" .. I do not have a BO1, that is the PROC.

    - BO has a weird chargeup. If for example it procs in the middle of a FAW spam cycle, everything seems to stop shooting, then BOOM, then shooting resumes. I have not been able to pinpoint if it ENDS FAW or just interrupts one weapons cycle.

    - I am *fairly* sure it can happen during romulan overcharge buff which normally disables weapon based tac officer skills.

    - It can proc back to back. Coupled with the observation above, I have to assert that it is NOT affected by BO cooldown, but it SETS the BO cooldown.

    - it is a wasted weapon proc. It is too erratic and infrequent to justify; most ships would be better off just using the BO1 skill on an officer, you would get more overloads that way. It only really shines when you get back to back procs, which is uncommon. Worse, it messes up FAW. It is worth having on a ship that LACKS the tactical seats to slot skills. Which is why i made the set ... I have a ship with 3 tac slots (TT1 FAW FAW) so the proc is NICE for that type of ship!
  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Can you test it with a KDF?

    I'd love to know if it triggers "Overwhelming Force"... might be cool to have your shots do CPBs...
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Can you test it with a KDF?

    I'd love to know if it triggers "Overwhelming Force"... might be cool to have your shots do CPBs...

    well I actually AM a KDF player mostly, and I actually have tested it on a MH raptor :)

    IT does indeed trigger the aoe bomb. However I am grossly underwhelmed by the effect .... on a tac ship with no partgen or whatever it is that feeds the skill, it does not seem to do a thing except look pretty.


    These are my only XIV weapons so far. Being crafted and account bound.... Pay once, use on 10 toons :)
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    Yes and no.

    [over] works funny. I built a set of 5 DBBS with the proc just to test it and here is what I know:

    - if they proc, my overload 3 is disabled for about 3-5 seconds of cooldown.
    - however if I use my BO3, I can get a proc immediately after it.

    - the combat log states "your beam overload 1 hit for blah blah" .. I do not have a BO1, that is the PROC.

    - BO has a weird chargeup. If for example it procs in the middle of a FAW spam cycle, everything seems to stop shooting, then BOOM, then shooting resumes. I have not been able to pinpoint if it ENDS FAW or just interrupts one weapons cycle.

    - I am *fairly* sure it can happen during romulan overcharge buff which normally disables weapon based tac officer skills.

    - It can proc back to back. Coupled with the observation above, I have to assert that it is NOT affected by BO cooldown, but it SETS the BO cooldown.

    - it is a wasted weapon proc. It is too erratic and infrequent to justify; most ships would be better off just using the BO1 skill on an officer, you would get more overloads that way. It only really shines when you get back to back procs, which is uncommon. Worse, it messes up FAW. It is worth having on a ship that LACKS the tactical seats to slot skills. Which is why i made the set ... I have a ship with 3 tac slots (TT1 FAW FAW) so the proc is NICE for that type of ship!


    Thank you for the detailed explanation. :)
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  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    well I actually AM a KDF player mostly, and I actually have tested it on a MH raptor :)

    IT does indeed trigger the aoe bomb. However I am grossly underwhelmed by the effect .... on a tac ship with no partgen or whatever it is that feeds the skill, it does not seem to do a thing except look pretty.


    These are my only XIV weapons so far. Being crafted and account bound.... Pay once, use on 10 toons :)

    Thanks for this. I can tell you that with my partgen-heavy KDFs, I too am quite underwhelmed with Overwhelming Force's Charged Particle Burst.

    More than that, though, I am VERY annoyed with it's Photonic Shockwave... it applies to pets, so your Karfi Frigates and Elite Scorpions, both of which spam High Yield Torp, are always knocking the enemy around... especially the Karfi's frigs with the Tricobalt... it'll knock all the enemy 3-5 KM out of my grav well, then the grav well will suck them back... looks cool but i think a net loss of DPS for them being away from the epicenter for 2-3 seconds.

    *Note* looks like Overwhelming Force doesn't apply to pet BO though... can't get the Obelisk Swarmers to proc it.
  • dave18193dave18193 Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I dont know how it interacts with the BO power, but aas far as I can tell it can't proc when FAW is active, rendering it worse than useless for many builds. I cant believe I wasted several million ec on them.

    That said I guess they could have great utility on ships without room for beam skills.

    I dunnp how it interacts with doffs or traits Im afraid. I would think it triggers em but cant confirm it.
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    dave18193 wrote: »
    I dont know how it interacts with the BO power, but aas far as I can tell it can't proc when FAW is active, rendering it worse than useless for many builds. I cant believe I wasted several million ec on them.

    That said I guess they could have great utility on ships without room for beam skills.

    I dunnp how it interacts with doffs or traits Im afraid. I would think it triggers em but cant confirm it.

    I am still not sure about the FAW interaction. I am almost convinced that if BO procs on the beams during FAW, it *overwrites* FAW, stopping it immediately and firing the BO shot.

    But I can't prove it!
  • l3ct3rl3ct3r Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The [Over] Proc does not activate the Shield penetration Doff. Never seen it and i use 3 of them.
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