Galaxy X T5-U Tank build (video)

mcduffie369

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TIODnTnodg&index=1&list=PLXsQAcYmzAwBRvia361EXnLEFm7IqZH6X

earwigvr6

Thanks for the lulz

xxxhellspawnyxxx

Tanking is about getting the aggro by a) dishing out the most damage and/or b) having a very high threat value (skillpints, embassy consoles).

This build fails at both.

mcduffie369

The antiproton crits will gain agro. Did you even watch the combat demo? Trolls.

xxxhellspawnyxxx

mcduffie369 wrote: »

The antiproton crits will gain agro. Did you even watch the combat demo? Trolls.

Trolling.. you don't like critizism, do you?

Boarding Party as a cmdr ability, a single Aux2Battery 2(!), no borg set, no AP: Delta with Doff, no RSP. What's so tanky about it? Throwing some armor consoles on a build doesn't make it a tank. And btw. it's also a bad build for DPS.

Anyway, the vid doesn't prove anything. Your team looked like it belonged to the sub 10k DPS fraction, still they got hit by NPCs. Take your ship to an advanced or elite stf with a competent team, parse the combatlog with the combatlogreader and show us some numbers, like damage in, healing out etc.

mcduffie369

xxxhellspawnyxxx wrote: »

Trolling.. you don't like critizism, do you?

Boarding Party as a cmdr ability, a single Aux2Battery 2(!), no borg set, no AP: Delta with Doff, no RSP. What's so tanky about it? Throwing some armor consoles on a build doesn't make it a tank. And btw. it's also a bad build for DPS.

Anyway, the vid doesn't prove anything. Your team looked like it belonged to the sub 10k DPS fraction, still they got hit by NPCs. Take your ship to an advanced or elite stf with a competent team, parse the combatlog with the combatlogreader and show us some numbers, like damage in, healing out etc.

The galaxy x can not have delta, and 2 piece borg is out dated! You have no idea what you are saying. This build works and dose not need your old dogma. The massive cooldown reductions make FAW and Tac Team almost ALWAYS available. This is a new build that uses new items and I know how you people hate anything new. And yes, you are an evil, negative forum troll and a member of a dying creed... the pvp community.

taylor1701d

xxxhellspawnyxxx wrote: »

Trolling.. you don't like critizism, do you?

Boarding Party as a cmdr ability, a single Aux2Battery 2(!), no borg set, no AP: Delta with Doff, no RSP. What's so tanky about it? Throwing some armor consoles on a build doesn't make it a tank. And btw. it's also a bad build for DPS.

Anyway, the vid doesn't prove anything. Your team looked like it belonged to the sub 10k DPS fraction, still they got hit by NPCs. Take your ship to an advanced or elite stf with a competent team, parse the combatlog with the combatlogreader and show us some numbers, like damage in, healing out etc.

^
Whats this guys problem ? why are you so mad about his video ?
Or are you always a miserable know it all (with out dated information), who insults those he means to critisize....

You are a troll, in that your critic is hateful and insulting, for no other reason then you getting a thrill out of calling someone stupid or pointing out that they are "wrong"...Guess that makes you feel better about yourself eh ?

cbrjwrr

mcduffie369 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TIODnTnodg&index=1&list=PLXsQAcYmzAwBRvia361EXnLEFm7IqZH6X

I do hope no one looks at this and thinks it is good.

xxxhellspawnyxxx

mcduffie369 wrote: »

The galaxy x can not have delta, and 2 piece borg is out dated! You have no idea what you are saying. This build works and dose not need your old dogma. The massive cooldown reductions make FAW and Tac Team almost ALWAYS available. This is a new build that uses new items and I know how you people hate anything new. And yes, you are an evil, negative forum troll and a member of a dying creed... the pvp community.

Nice try, the anti-pvp killer argument. But actually I'm a member of the DPS community. You might have seen this youtube vid. Or feel free to check my own channel.

Anyway, attack pattern delta is a lieutenant tactical skill and fits on every Galaxy X. If you want to tank and pull the aggro, combine it with Adak'Ukan.

The Borg 2-set proc ist still one of the best hull heal abilities. That's not an old dogma, it's common knowledge.

Obviously you have some very strange ideas about shipbuilding.

Here are some of my PvE builds:
Scimitar: Link
Recluse: Link
Nicor: Link
Eclipse: Link
Galaxy X: Link
Mat'Ha: Link
Mogh: Link
Avenger: Link
Fleet Patrol: Link

All of them hit harder and are more resilient than your Galaxy X. Well, except the Mat'Ha maybe. Feel free to adopt them.

And finally... calling me a forum troll. Search for my posts. And think again.

taylor1701d wrote: »

^
Whats this guys problem ? why are you so mad about his video ?
Or are you always a miserable know it all (with out dated information), who insults those he means to critisize....

You are a troll, in that your critic is hateful and insulting, for no other reason then you getting a thrill out of calling someone stupid or pointing out that they are "wrong"...Guess that makes you feel better about yourself eh ?

I'm not mad about his video. If he likes to play with such a build, it's absolutely ok for me. But posting it in the Academy section as a guide for other players is just evil.

And his reaction on any critical review speaks volumes.

tankfox23

I watched a minute or the video out of curiosity. There was so much fail I stopped.

There's not a lot of good information in game on how to effectively build your ship. Posting videos that make it even worst in the forum really is evil.

taylor1701d

xxxhellspawnyxxx wrote: »

Nice try, the anti-pvp killer argument. But actually I'm a member of the DPS community. You might have seen this youtube vid. Or feel free to check my own channel.

Anyway, attack pattern delta is a lieutenant tactical skill and fits on every Galaxy X. If you want to tank an pull the aggro, combine it with Adak'Ukan.

The Borg 2-set proc ist still one of the best hull heal abilities. That's not an old dogma, it's common knowledge.

Obviously you have some very strange ideas about shipbuilding.

Here are some of my PvE builds:
Scimitar: Link
Recluse: Link
Nicor: Link
Eclipse: Link
Galaxy X: Link
Mat'Ha: Link
Mogh: Link
Avenger: Link
Fleet Patrol: Link

All of them hit harder and are more resilient than your Galaxy X. Well, except the Mat'Ha maybe. Feel free to adopt them.

And finally... calling me a forum troll. Search for my posts. And think again.




I'm not mad about his video. If he likes to play with such a build, it's absolutely ok for me. But posting it in the Academy section as a guide for other players is just evil.

And actually his reaction on any critical review speaks volumes.

^Now that's how you do it. Kudos, much more informative and helpful.

kriskringle3

I see these builds, but there is something very unique to the Galaxy-X and other Multi-Vector ships: The "native" weapons type (in this case Phaser) is heavily tied to the multi-vector elements. I will explain based on "Saucer Separation" on the Galaxy/galaxy-X.

When in separation mode, regardless of your chosen weapon type, the saucer will have phasers. These phasers (1 beam bank, 1 cannon, 1 beam array (?)) and the saucer lance all use the "consoles" you mount. As Such, the damage they do will be nerfed if you don't maintain a phaser weapons type and use Phaser tac consoles. Same is true with the Romulan Haakona and Plasma weaps. if you don't believe this mount the spread console (2nd half of the 2-pc set) on the dreadnought and watch the saucer use it on a regular basis.

The above is the reason all T6 ships have their "lance" weapons on console and the Cloak ship-linked.

mcduffie369

I looked at your builds, xxxhellspawnyxxx. They are all very boring... Ever hear of a torpedo?

uraziel0815

Nice Job. You created a guide, how to suck in STO.


Maybe in the mirror Universe this is good. But your weak Link is, this isnt the mirror Universe.

organicmanfred

Even if his build is not the best one (I can't judge that), can't people say it otherwise? instead of mocking him?

cbrjwrr

mcduffie369 wrote: »

I looked at your builds, xxxhellspawnyxxx. They are all very boring... Ever hear of a torpedo?

Ever heard of actually using effective stuff? If you had any knowledge you would know not to use them.


And, just as an FYI, the guy you are failing at taking the p155 out of is amongst the best players in STO. Unlike you.

cbrjwrr

organicmanfred wrote: »

Even if his build is not the best one (I can't judge that), can't people say it otherwise? instead of mocking him?

He has put a bad build up as an example of how to be good - if you do that, you deserve mockery, if only so that no one follows the bad advice given.

organicmanfred

cbrjwrr wrote: »

He has put a bad build up as an example of how to be good - if you do that, you deserve mockery, if only so that no one follows the bad advice given.

I checked his post and the video. He doesnt say "good" or "perfect" or "ultimate" build and his YouTube video description says "How I tank.."

The forum title is "Galaxy Tank build". He didnt say "Galaxy Tank Advise" or "How to Tank,..."

It basically shows how HE tanks.


It is a show and tell, and nothing more.



I would undestand mockery if a totally noob guy comes and says "This is how you must do, because I can kill a Cube by myself and no one can beat me" and has a totally TRIBBLE build and dies 3x.

cbrjwrr

organicmanfred wrote: »

I checked his post and the video. He doesnt say "good" or "perfect" or "ultimate" build and his YouTube video description says "How I tank.."

The forum title is "Galaxy Tank build". He didnt say "Galaxy Tank Advise" or "How to Tank,..."

It basically shows how HE tanks.


It is a show and tell, and nothing more.



I would undestand mockery if a totally noob guy comes and says "This is how you must do, because I can kill a Cube by myself and no one can beat me" and has a totally TRIBBLE build and dies 3x.

Yep - now remember we are in the Academy part, not builds and mechanics or one of the shipyards. If we were in there it would be different - it is still a terrible build, but there it isn't being held up as good by implication.


The fact is, that is a terrible tank, with not enough DPS and threat to draw aggro except in a terrible team.

mcduffie369

Haters gonna hate. This game is so easy to play. Nobody needs some uber build...

cbrjwrr

mcduffie369 wrote: »

Haters gonna hate. This game is so easy to play. Nobody needs some uber build...

Then do not post bad builds in a section of a forum where people come to look for advice. Simple.

mcduffie369

cbrjwrr wrote: »

Then do not post bad builds in a section of a forum where people come to look for advice. Simple.

Dig this. I'm a Star Trek fan. I roflpwn everything in this game and when I pvp with my fleet, Nova Core, in my adapted cruiser I never see you scrubs. My videos are for pve and fun. I don't care about your antiproton faw scimitars. My scimitar is geared similar to the one in the movie and it works fine. That's just how I roll. I don't care is you elitist snobs think my pve builds are TRIBBLE. I grew out of that phase almost 10 years ago. I invent them myself, they are fun to use, and they get the job done. Further more, my videos are not for you. You seem to know everything anyway.

cbrjwrr

mcduffie369 wrote: »

Dig this. I'm a Star Trek fan. I roflpwn everything in this game and when I pvp with my fleet, Nova Core, in my adapted cruiser I never see you scrubs. My videos are for pve and fun. I don't care about your antiproton faw scimitars. My scimitar is geared similar to the one in the movie and it works fine. That's just how I roll. I don't care is you elitist snobs think my pve builds are TRIBBLE. I grew out of that phase almost 10 years ago. I invent them myself, they are fun to use, and they get the job done. Further more, my videos are not for you. You seem to know everything anyway.

I don't give a f**k about how you play - what I do is the fact you are posting a bad build up in the area where people look for advice.

A tank requires Threat, survivability and DPS, in that order. You only spec into one of those, with very little effort in the most important element, and mild effort in the last. Your build is not fit for purpose.

ryakidrys

McDuffie, the reason you are receiving flak from some folks is that you show no supporting quantitative data such as combat log files, or parses. To go with the lack of quantitative data, you are providing your opinion, which isn't even good qualitative data since it is your opinion and not an impartial qualitative set of data.

I pride myself on my tanking, many of my fleetmates would certainly back that up. Before using combatlogreader, I used ACT and even STOICS before that. Using ACT, I would consistently look at HPS (quantitative) and damage taken (used to qualify more than quantify effectiveness) more than DPS (quantitative) as a reflection on my effectiveness in STFs, as well as whether any teammates were killed (qualitative) in a STF. I haven't taken much time to do the same with combatlogreader, but the qualitative evidence is there. When my fleetmates are putting out much higher DPS than I am putting out in a STF such as Infected advanced, if no one perishes but the enemy,my teammates are sending me their heals along the way since they don't need them, it is a qualitative indication that I'm doing the tanking part well enough for the group I am with. Infected advanced is a good example of where a tank can shine with the extra spheres that show up . They spread out and you need good threat generation, and a way to put out damage to all the spheres and gateway quickly to get aggro from them all. While you have aggro, your teammates can begin demolishing the spheres, even when your teammates aren't working together with each other, you should aggro well enough to help keep them alive. Even if they take aggro from you, there should be little to no time for the spheres to return fire upon your teammates before the sphere is destroyed, thus the tanking is working well enough.
So, ISA is an excellent place to show the effectiveness of a tank build, not just because it is well known by most folks in the game, but the number of baddies to tend with can be overwhelming for some unless you have a decent tank.

If you want to change the opinion of others, you could easily do so by working with them, or showing the quantitative data that supports your builds.

Combatlogreader is now available in a non-java version, so there are fewer reasons why you can't provide some supporting data.