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I posted this on the subreddit here: http://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/2ne1kb/request_for_more_data_pet_nerf/
I already have a small sample size of parses but i need more data to confirm some of my findings.
Would those of you with hangar pets please note down here what DPS your pets are getting now in ISA?
For frigate pets would you provide on a per pet basis, the lowest, highest and average DPS, and the average for the hangar?
For fighters just the average per hangar is fine.
For example:
Pre-DR my Narcine pets did around 8-10k DPS for 2 hangars. That is around 2-2.5k DPS per frigate with exceptional runs hitting 3k per frigate.
with DR they hit 3-3.5k DPS per frigate with exceptional runs up to 4k. 12-16k DPS for 2 hangars
After the pet nerf they are hitting 0.6-1.3k DPS with exceptional runs at 1.5k DPS per frigate. 4k DPS for 2 hangars.
I have seen a couple parses for Elite Meshweavers and JHAS pets and they are also doing around 4k DPS for 2 hangars.
Elite Romulan Drones have not been hit as hard.
Pre-DR they where at 3-4k per frigate.
Post DR they where hitting 4-5k per frigate.
Post nerf they are now at 2-2.5k per frigate
It seems like frigate pets at least where hit with a -50% damage nerf from their pre-DR levels. There are other issues like the Narcine pets are no longer launching mines, or doing it so rarely that it's inconsequential.
If this is "intended" then the price of Elite Pets should be cut down to 1/8th of their current cost to match their performance. from 100kFC 45kdil down to 12kFC and 5kdil.
Edit:
Album of different pet parses in the past couple of days, all post nerf: http://imgur.com/a/KR1pR
I already have a small sample size of parses but i need more data to confirm some of my findings.
Would those of you with hangar pets please note down here what DPS your pets are getting now in ISA?
For frigate pets would you provide on a per pet basis, the lowest, highest and average DPS, and the average for the hangar?
For fighters just the average per hangar is fine.
For example:
Pre-DR my Narcine pets did around 8-10k DPS for 2 hangars. That is around 2-2.5k DPS per frigate with exceptional runs hitting 3k per frigate.
with DR they hit 3-3.5k DPS per frigate with exceptional runs up to 4k. 12-16k DPS for 2 hangars
After the pet nerf they are hitting 0.6-1.3k DPS with exceptional runs at 1.5k DPS per frigate. 4k DPS for 2 hangars.
I have seen a couple parses for Elite Meshweavers and JHAS pets and they are also doing around 4k DPS for 2 hangars.
Elite Romulan Drones have not been hit as hard.
Pre-DR they where at 3-4k per frigate.
Post DR they where hitting 4-5k per frigate.
Post nerf they are now at 2-2.5k per frigate
It seems like frigate pets at least where hit with a -50% damage nerf from their pre-DR levels. There are other issues like the Narcine pets are no longer launching mines, or doing it so rarely that it's inconsequential.
If this is "intended" then the price of Elite Pets should be cut down to 1/8th of their current cost to match their performance. from 100kFC 45kdil down to 12kFC and 5kdil.
Edit:
Album of different pet parses in the past couple of days, all post nerf: http://imgur.com/a/KR1pR
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thanks. i already have a lot of data for pre-DR and pre-nerf levels for a lot of different players. I can extrapolate from your current pet DPS what you where doing before.
What i need is more current data.
PSA: for anyone thinking of spending on Elite hangar pets. Don't.
Did you use fleet support?
Do you have specific parameters you'd like to see applied?
I did, that was an extra 2.5k DPS on the 10k
ok thanks. could you do a couple more runs for me please?
also it does look like the mines on the Mobulai are bugged to uselessness
This is a thread I did with Raw Data before DR came out. I have not run the damage tracker since, but I hope this helps find the middle ground to use for comparison.
If the damage is the same I am fine with that. If it is worse then I will be angry just like the rest of the players here. They increased the challenge level and it makes sense our gear and pets would increase in damage, survival, and abilities.... The claim they had was that pets started to level to NPCs instead of the player. Hopefully we can find out if they over corrected and get it fixed?
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I think 2.5k I told you before might be parsed in the normal setting, not the DPS-channel setting. But I cleaned the parse already, so have to run again to confirm.
They survived unusually well for this run. I'll do another tomorrow to compare.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
iirc, pre-dr was about 2k/hangar
pre-nerf it was up to 4k/hangar
post-nerf it was 3k/hangar
additional points: pre-dr was in a kar'fi with ~25s hangar cd, later in recluse with mastery, the tetryon grid console and ~15s hangar cd
The Normal, Advanced and Elite Mobulai all do the exact same DPS. Extreme buyer beware on spending for the Advanced and Elite versions of these pets.
Your numbers are inline with my findings unfortunately.
The fighters seem to have been equalized a little bit. Keep in mind that pre-DR the Elite Scorpions and Swarmers where doing 3-5k/hangar. I've only seen a few fighter parses but it looks like they max out around 3k/hangar now.
They've been hit with the nerf but not as bad as the frigates.
check this thread out: Delta rising DPS channels and YOU. use the parser Combatlogreader while running ISA.
Would organizing a private Kerrat session with Feds vs Klingons work better at giving consistent pet dps numbers? find some KDF players who are willing to go along with the test. Have one of them bring a cruiser with equal amounts of kinetic and all energy resistance. Have them remove their shields. The other KDF players are there to throw on engineering team heals on that cruiser. Engineering Team because its easy to get and it doesnt boost resistance. So just enough people throwing engineering team on the cruiser so that the pet doesnt kill him.
Fed team will be the ones just sending their pet in to attack the cruiser for X amount of minutes to get a good parse. AND if this is an organized event where sarcasm+friends are there they can run the meters and people can just show up with different kinds of pets. You run the test for however long, and record the numbers.
It just seems like it would be a lot more controlled then everybody going to do ISA on their own. Like if i do an ISA run and its below average for whatever reasons (ie the other people suck) would my pet dps numbers still be valid?
Damn...I actually was kinda planning to, ive neglected my vesta for awhile now.
So have the numbers for pets been killed that badly or what we really looking at?
Also, since im a morbid person, I still want an elite hangar pet, what should we be looking at these days? If we were going to toss it down anyway for one.