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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Any ideas or improvements for the space skill tree???
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  • lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Here is my Tac Officer that runs an Avenger. My Bridge Officers are

    Lib Borg Romulan Science Officer (Efficient)
    Lib Borg Engineer LT (Efficient)
    Nausicaan Eng CDR (Pirate)
    Human Tac LTC (Leadership)
    Romulan Tac EN (Superior Rom Op.)
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Admiral Edalgo, Do you have a Skill Planner for an Avenger Fleet Battle Cruiser??? and
    EPS means Starship Electro-Plasma Systems on the Engineering Section of the skill tree Skill Tree???

    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hello to Lt Commander Cepholapoid, Captain Vetteguy904, Commander Ryakidrys, Captain Baudl, Commander Scarlet, Admiral Lowy1, Admiral Ginobaldelli823, Admiral Casperdudesd, Commander Westmetals and last but never the least Admiral Edalgo.

    I want to apologize to each of you for the delay. I have been hard at work grinding away, testing new configs and using all of your suggestions. I want to share with you the results so far on this build and the changes I have made.

    I am posting the before and after links detailing the changes in equipment, BOFF's, DOFF's, starship stations, skill tree, traits and some stats including DPS avg and max DPS recorded.



    Old build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild_0

    New build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild20_8488



    Please give your honest opinion on this new updated build, any suggestions and/or changes you might think this ship needs.


    Once again thanks for all of your help...



    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hello to Lt Commander Cepholapoid, Captain Vetteguy904, Commander Ryakidrys, Captain Baudl, Commander Scarlet, Admiral Lowy1, Admiral Ginobaldelli823, Admiral Casperdudesd, Commander Westmetals and last but never the least Admiral Edalgo.

    I want to apologize to each of you for the delay. I have been hard at work grinding away, testing new configs and using all of your suggestions. I want to share with you the results so far on this build and the changes I have made.

    I am posting the before and after links detailing the changes in equipment, BOFF's, DOFF's, starship stations, skill tree, traits and some stats including DPS avg and max DPS recorded.



    Old build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild_0

    New build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild20_8488



    Please give your honest opinion on this new updated build, any suggestions and/or changes you might think this ship needs.


    Once again thanks for all of your help...



    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA


    P.S. on the DPS of the old build is wrong it should be:

    avg DPS 12.5
    max DPS 16.6
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hello to Lt Commander Cepholapoid, Captain Vetteguy904, Commander Ryakidrys, Captain Baudl, Commander Scarlet, Admiral Lowy1, Admiral Ginobaldelli823, Admiral Casperdudesd, Commander Westmetals and last but never the least Admiral Edalgo.

    I want to apologize to each of you for the delay. I have been hard at work grinding away, testing new configs and using all of your suggestions. I want to share with you the results so far on this build and the changes I have made.

    I am posting the before and after links detailing the changes in equipment, BOFF's, DOFF's, starship stations, skill tree, traits and some stats including DPS avg and max DPS recorded.



    Old build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild_0

    New build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild20_8488



    Please give your honest opinion on this new updated build, any suggestions and/or changes you might think this ship needs.


    Once again thanks for all of your help...



    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA

    New build looks solid to me, well done.

    Only small suggestion I have, I would reverse Emergency Power to Shields 1 and Engineering team 2. I would run ET1, EPTS2 in those two spots. Just because EPTS2 will give you a little better shield strength and up your survivability by a little.

    Other then that, looks like a very nice ship and a very capable build.
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  • amaresh1amaresh1 Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Congrats! Your new build is pretty much what is my current thinking on the Avenger exactly. Now you are where I am at and I am trying to answer some open questions. I am only going to take parse data for this because everyone has opinions and I want to test these theories when I have the time with hard data. So if you don't have parse data, please don't reply with just the stats because they are misleading. If you can provide parse data, I will provide mine. Here my questions, that I would like parsing to answer. I would like to synthesize this into the best of breed build.

    1. AMP Warp Core versus Obilek set. Ancient Obilek set gives 10% damage to antiprotons and AMP gives a % bonus increase.

    Hypothesis: AMP is better due to limited DPS on the Omnidirectional beam. Need proof.

    2. 2 Piece Nukara set is better than the Borg Set.

    Hypothesis: Nukara is better based on 2.5% damage increase on 2 piece set. How much survivability ore you giving up?

    3. Romulan Plasma versus Antiproton Build

    Hypothesis: Romulan Plasma [Critd]x2 is better than Antiproton because the 10% bonus is from the excellent beam and Zero point console and you can still have the AMP warp core. How much of a difference do the science console make? (I just have advanced fleet Antiproton so my testing may be off a bit.)

    Note: You can game the parse by using anti protons and teaming with a Recluse or folks with Disrupters to reduce MOB damage resistance. I am going to remove that from the test because in my opinion you are cheating doing this type of stuff to inflate numbers.

    4. Is protonic Arsenal Worth it? (Experimental Proton Weapons/Proton Particle Stabilizer.)

    Hypothesis: No: The low DPS of the Experiment Proton Weapons negates the 3% critical chance increase from the 2 piece set.

    5. Is there still a place for the Omega 2 Part Bonus:

    Hypothesis: No: Tetryon Glider helps with shields and is not better than the Damage increase on Nukara.

    6. Is the Axiom Fleet Deflector (+8.8 Starship Targeting) better than the Undine Deflector (+8.8 Starship Energy Weapons Training.)

    Hypothesis: Undine is Better.

    7. Is Aux to Bat better than your Non Aux to Bat Set up.

    Hypothesis: No, but testing is warranted.

    8. How big of a deal is Marion Francis Really?

    Hypothesis: Not that big of a deal and not worth 60 million EC.

    9. When we are done with all this, how about the new Intellgence BOFF skill OSS? How much pop does it really give?

    Hypothesis: It gives a tremendous pop to damage when changed with other skills.

    10. How much difference does 5 Tac Consoles versus, 3 tac Consoles, versus 4.

    Hypotesis: No itea but I want to test this out with my Nicor, Intelligence Cruiser, and my Avenger.

    I have all this gear and doffs. I don't have Exploiters so if you want to test Exploiters versus Locaters, I can't help you. When I am not doing my day job, I will try to do testing on these scenarios and come back to you with my data.
  • amaresh1amaresh1 Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Some more thoughts on your traits. You might want to check out fluid cocoon, beam barrage, and the 2 Xindi traits. Man it sucks that accuracy overflow does not work on FAW builds.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Why keep the Proton particle Stabilizer?

    based on this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1323531 - if you replace the PPS with a Embassy Sci console with Flow Cap, then it will boost the Plasmonic Leech console. Plus, if you get the Sci console with [Pla] then you get a chance to add Plasma dmg.
  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Why keep the Proton particle Stabilizer?

    based on this thread: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1323531 - if you replace the PPS with a Embassy Sci console with Flow Cap, then it will boost the Plasmonic Leech console. Plus, if you get the Sci console with [Pla] then you get a chance to add Plasma dmg.

    You are right Cmdr Scarlett, I just finished reading a message that Ezri Ryan sent me about the Flow Capacitors. Did not understand it at first but a good recommendation from him to boost the Plasminic Leech console.


    Besides Cmdr Scarlett, Lt Cmdr Amaresh1 gave me some good pointers and homework to try out and get some more improvements for this build, any thoughts on his recommendations???
    amaresh1 wrote: »
    Congrats! Your new build is pretty much what is my current thinking on the Avenger exactly. Now you are where I am at and I am trying to answer some open questions. I am only going to take parse data for this because everyone has opinions and I want to test these theories when I have the time with hard data. So if you don't have parse data, please don't reply with just the stats because they are misleading. If you can provide parse data, I will provide mine. Here my questions, that I would like parsing to answer. I would like to synthesize this into the best of breed build.

    1. AMP Warp Core versus Obilek set. Ancient Obilek set gives 10% damage to antiprotons and AMP gives a % bonus increase.

    Hypothesis: AMP is better due to limited DPS on the Omnidirectional beam. Need proof.

    2. 2 Piece Nukara set is better than the Borg Set.

    Hypothesis: Nukara is better based on 2.5% damage increase on 2 piece set. How much survivability ore you giving up?

    3. Romulan Plasma versus Antiproton Build

    Hypothesis: Romulan Plasma [Critd]x2 is better than Antiproton because the 10% bonus is from the excellent beam and Zero point console and you can still have the AMP warp core. How much of a difference do the science console make? (I just have advanced fleet Antiproton so my testing may be off a bit.)

    Note: You can game the parse by using anti protons and teaming with a Recluse or folks with Disrupters to reduce MOB damage resistance. I am going to remove that from the test because in my opinion you are cheating doing this type of stuff to inflate numbers.

    4. Is protonic Arsenal Worth it? (Experimental Proton Weapons/Proton Particle Stabilizer.)

    Hypothesis: No: The low DPS of the Experiment Proton Weapons negates the 3% critical chance increase from the 2 piece set.

    5. Is there still a place for the Omega 2 Part Bonus:

    Hypothesis: No: Tetryon Glider helps with shields and is not better than the Damage increase on Nukara.

    6. Is the Axiom Fleet Deflector (+8.8 Starship Targeting) better than the Undine Deflector (+8.8 Starship Energy Weapons Training.)

    Hypothesis: Undine is Better.

    7. Is Aux to Bat better than your Non Aux to Bat Set up.

    Hypothesis: No, but testing is warranted.

    8. How big of a deal is Marion Francis Really?

    Hypothesis: Not that big of a deal and not worth 60 million EC.

    9. When we are done with all this, how about the new Intellgence BOFF skill OSS? How much pop does it really give?

    Hypothesis: It gives a tremendous pop to damage when changed with other skills.

    10. How much difference does 5 Tac Consoles versus, 3 tac Consoles, versus 4.

    Hypotesis: No itea but I want to test this out with my Nicor, Intelligence Cruiser, and my Avenger.

    I have all this gear and doffs. I don't have Exploiters so if you want to test Exploiters versus Locaters, I can't help you. When I am not doing my day job, I will try to do testing on these scenarios and come back to you with my data.


    Thanks to Lt Cmdr Amaresh1 and Cmdr Scarlett for your input.




    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA




    P.S.
    edalgo wrote: »
    Your new build looks good. You should be capable of 30k+ now.

    Thanks Admiral Edalgo

    New build looks solid to me, well done.

    Only small suggestion I have, I would reverse Emergency Power to Shields 1 and Engineering team 2. I would run ET1, EPTS2 in those two spots. Just because EPTS2 will give you a little better shield strength and up your survivability by a little.

    Other then that, looks like a very nice ship and a very capable build.

    Took your advice Commander SeaOfSorrows and it does help, just gotta work on those Flow Capacitors and other suggestions. Then do some test runs...

    Will post the results at a later date...
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    You're welcome :)

    But the whole Flow Cap Sci console boosting Plasmonic Leech is utterly new to me and I'm still wrapping my brain around it. It's forcing me to look at my build and giving me an excuse to tweak it. Which really upsets me because I upgraded a lot of consoles to XIII ... I guess I should look at it as a good thing I didn't get the consoles to XIV :P
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  • amaresh1amaresh1 Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    One more thing. The current thinking in my private circles is that FAW 1 in the ensign slot actually lowers DPS. FAW 1 has more hits but makes each hit have less damage. This mechanic does not exist in FAW 2 and FAW 3. Again I have not tested this but that seems to be the thinking of some of the players that I respect on the DPS front. Can anyone confirm this?

    Also,

    My Kling running a Mogh does more damage than my Fed in an Avenger. To be honest, I don"t have the first clue as to why but it is signification. 10-20%. They are built the same. Do Klingon's have an inherit DPS advantage?
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Amaresh - some KDF boffs (namely Nausicaans) DO have the "pirate" space trait which gives +1.5% to all damage, which may be part of the difference you're seeing. Not sure about captains but there might be something there as well.

    Transamerica - The new build looks excellent, especially on the equipment side. I would question only the placement of engineering skills (as previously mentioned) and the choice of using Transfer Shield Strength as one of your sci skills. I would use Polarize Hull or Science Team instead. Also, if your BOFFs do not have space traits, I would try to replace them with ones who do.

    And one last thing - you are still using a standard beam array in your aft slotting. It would be possible to obtain a second Antiproton Omni-Directional to place there which might increase your DPS (even though on paper it would be weaker) by allowing it to fire into the forward arc. This is because the "Ancient" Omni-Directional and a crafted Omni-Directional CAN be slotted side by side, even though both say "may only equip one"; they are considered to be separate categories.

    I'm not entirely certain what it would do to your total DPS-over-time as that does depend somewhat on your fighting style (how often you are firing forward vs. sideways would affect whether or not it would put out more total damage over the course of a battle than that excellent Mk XIV Crtdx3 CrtH beam you would be replacing; this isn't something that can be determined from just looking at the build).

    Commander Westmetals:

    This list represents the BOFF's and DOFF's I currently have on my build. Their innate traits in each of their abilities make the ship runs 100 times better than before...


    ACTIVE BRIDGE OFFICERS
    **CIXRA**
    Superior Romulan Operative M (Tactical BOFF)
    **J'TOCH**
    Superior Romulan Operative M (Tactical BOFF)
    **NOJEL**
    Superior Romulan Operative M (Tactical BOFF)
    **GATO**
    Efficient Saurian F (Engineer BOFF)
    **NAR**
    Pirate & Efficient Hierarchy M (Science BOFF)

    (The Nar BOFF is probably one of the best since he has both the Pirate and Efficient Traits...)


    ACTIVE SPACE DUTY OFFICERS
    **ZEMOK JENRO**
    Conn Officer (Tactical DOFF)
    **DICROK**
    Emergency Weapons Officer (Tactical DOFF)
    **SELAL**
    Conn Officer (Tactical DOFF)
    **MARION FRANCES DULMUR**
    Systems Engineer (Engineering DOFF)
    **EMERGENCY ENGINEERING HOLOGRAM**
    Damage Control Engineer (Engineering DOFF)
    **SETAMO**
    Maintenance Engineer (Engineering DOFF)

    I still have some work to do with the DOFF's for this build. I have made some equipment changes as well, check link below...

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild_8488

    With Cmdr Scarlett and Ezri Ryan's advice I added the Embassy Science Consoles with Flow Pla and boy does it make a difference. Not only does it boost the Plasmonic Leech Console and stack all the subsystems to 22 but the addition of 2.5% chance on dealing 108.2 plasma damage per 15 sec has given me and extra 1k in DPS on average. This helped me to get a new personal record of 21,472.6 DPS in Infected Space Advance... So this theory works well.

    With Lt Cmdr Amaresh1 advice I changed the Borg's deflector and impulse and changed it into Nakura deflector and impulse to gain the +2.5% all weapons damage. Then I change the Obelisk warp core to the Elite Fleet Plasma-Integrated Warp Core with AMP, Trans, W->S, WCap to gain all of it values plus the Weapons Power Buff. I have not worked on the testing much. It is why the stats are blank on the build link. Still working on the rest of the suggestions Lt Cmdr Amaresh it just takes time to do all that...

    I also changed the Transfer Shield Strength II to Polarize Hull II and I'll get back at you for the results on this change. I will keep working on the Beam changes. I have not level up completely with the R&D to craft the AP Omni-Directional.

    So far with all of your suggestions, this build has improved dramatically.

    Thanks once again for all of the advice and will post results TRIBBLE soon as is available.


    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    How to get that Hierarchy BOff?

    I got the **NAR** M Hiearchy BOFF in one of the Delta Quadrants episodes. I forgot which one, but it is in one of those episodes...

    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA
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  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    You can also buy an AP Omni from the exchange.

    PM me ingame @edalgo and we'll do some runs together.

    Absolutely Admiral Edalgo, are you east coast or west coast???
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  • amaresh1amaresh1 Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I have not tried this yet, but there is a new console called bounty hunter's friend in the lobi store. The stats are the following:

    Bounty Hunter's Friend
    -10% Enegery weapon power consumption
    decent energy resistance

    If you have the lobo, you may want to consider it as well. I am thinking about purchasing it.
  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Here is the link with the new changes of this build including the Flow/Pla capacitors and DOFF changes. Going to work on tweeking the Tree Skill and test trial this build to acquire new stats.

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=usstransamericacompletebuild_8488

    I was also considering to acquire a second Zemok Jenro to help on the recharge time for the Alpha and Beta Attack Patterns and acquiring 2 AP Omni-Directional weapons for the aft weapon for a total of 3 Omni's, any thoughts on that???



    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA



    P.S. New DPS record of 25,101.58. It's at the DPS League Table @ivanopochtli...
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  • amaresh1amaresh1 Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I was looking over your traits in your last submission. Here are some suggestions to try:

    Rep Traits:

    Enhanced Armor Penetration- Got that Check
    Advanced Targeting Systems - +16% Crit Severity
    Precision - + Crit H
    Auxiliary Power Configuration. - + 25 Starship Energy Weapons Training _25 Starship Weapons Training (This is based on your Aux Power

    Power Levels

    100 Weapons
    25 Shields
    15 Engines
    60 Auxiliary (To Max out the Aux Power Trait)

    http://i.imgur.com/a0r0j7v.png


    Captain Traits:

    Fluid Cocoon - This puppy is increasing in price so buy 2 and stash 1 for an investment.
    Intense Focus - Not sure about this one because of Accuracy Overflow being broken.
    Inspirational Leader - Expensive.


    Let me know any of these move the needle. If you don't my the dollar cost, reciprocity from the Tier 6 ships is very cool as well.
  • transamericatransamerica Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    amaresh1 wrote: »
    I was looking over your traits in your last submission. Here are some suggestions to try:

    Rep Traits:

    Enhanced Armor Penetration- Got that Check
    Advanced Targeting Systems - +16% Crit Severity
    Precision - + Crit H
    Auxiliary Power Configuration. - + 25 Starship Energy Weapons Training _25 Starship Weapons Training (This is based on your Aux Power

    Power Levels

    100 Weapons
    25 Shields
    15 Engines
    60 Auxiliary (To Max out the Aux Power Trait)

    http://i.imgur.com/a0r0j7v.png


    Captain Traits:

    Fluid Cocoon - This puppy is increasing in price so buy 2 and stash 1 for an investment.
    Intense Focus - Not sure about this one because of Accuracy Overflow being broken.
    Inspirational Leader - Expensive.


    Let me know any of these move the needle. If you don't my the dollar cost, reciprocity from the Tier 6 ships is very cool as well.

    I currently have the exact Power Levels on the ship so that is a check Lt Cmdr Amaresh1.

    3 questions:

    1. Can I acquire (buy them with EC or something else) captain traits??? I thought that only comes when a character is started, Please clarify...

    2. Reciprocity is only available in Tier 6 ships???

    3. Tier 6 ships can only be bought with Zen, I presume, right???


    I will work on the rep traits you recommended and post the results in a bit...



    Admiral Stolichnaya - U.S.S. TRANSAMERICA



    P.S. Just got clear about the Genetic Resequencers to gain those traits, but can you use these items once per character or you can use many of them to add those traits to the character on this build Lt Cmdr Amaresh1 ???
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