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dilbart
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This is way too much grind for me.
Somehow I think the exp nerf is bad for business because people will revert to 1 character which means buying only for 1 faction.
Cryptic Product Managers please take note.
Somehow I think the exp nerf is bad for business because people will revert to 1 character which means buying only for 1 faction.
Cryptic Product Managers please take note.
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I'm in no rush to do so...
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
This. I've been getting a spec point every other day, that's good enough for me.
and i bet most of you are federation players as main. attitudes like that is what makes the federation. its good enough for me so should be good enough for everybody. i hate that way of thinking and why i do not play fed side way to many of that sort.
so really everybody here except the OP. myself included is either flaming or trolling. even though i feel my comments are justified.
I'm beating elites without spec points..
And as more content becomes available i am certain new specializations will be added.
It's no grind though since the exp and skills are gradually added as you play the content and as you progress in the specializations your character becomes stronger and higher difficulty content (advanced/expert setting) becomes less of a challenge you gain points faster.
Can you explain to me what's the problem?
This is part of my concern.
This is a game of percentages and this is a huge buy-in cost. You can't just roll a new toon nilly-willy for PVP, there are certain traits and skills that needed to be grinded out to be competitive.
Until these add-on abilities are disabled, PvP will be broken imo.
Thats a reasonable grind, isn't it ?
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Only 10,000 at Argala.
Not even sure where that is- Tau Dewa ?
Thats the exploit sector, I don't go there- can't afford to be labelled a cheater and have my stuff taken away.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
This is simply not true at all.
I've been playing Eve for three years. If it has taught me anything, it's that skill points (or in this case, spec points) are not what make a person competitive, competent, and able to compete.
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
You can't just brush off someone's argument without any explanation or defense.
Player with 45 characters here. That's complete and utter BS.
Yes, do take note that not everyone are as picky as you claim.
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Sure I can. Not everything requires or even deserves explanation. However, I did add some context above. In this case, I hear a very common complaint/misconception from people who think PvP is only possible when you have everything. >.>
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
Shortly before DR I would say that's true because they took steps to limit the number of active rep powers.
The new specialization trees are power creep at a whole new level: secondary weapon firing cd reduction, cd reduction, acc boost, def boost, bonus flanking dmg, bonus flanking resistance
A fully specc'd out toon is going to have a much easier time against a vanilla toon.
PvE - I'm not concerned because everybody is on the same side
PvP - I am concerned because the barrier for entry is too high
I agree they add advantages but I can assure you that someone creative can be very effective despite all of these things you mention. STO has never had balanced PvP. But then again, I can't think of any game that really does. Play to your strengths and find ways to counter these other things. Sure, it might even be a challenge...but is that not the point to PvP anyway?
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
STO is not Eve and the spec tree is in no way comparable to the skill queue there. Speaking for the pve crowd....or at least one of them....yes, we want all the points as no one wants to feel handicapped vs other players.
That however is beside the point. The spec tree barrer is bad....the upgrade system is worse. Way more open ended grind and resourse potential. My wallet will remain closed and my alts are relegated to support roles.
You're welcome to your opinion but I do not share it. There are many similarities between the two...on a functional level. I do agree the upgrade system is massively prohibitive and I am hopeful they will address that.
I entered this conversation because I think the mindset is wrong. Why do you want everything right now? The PvP'ers say they need it to remain competitive; fine, let them think that. You say you need it so you don't feel handicapped to other players...? Not everyone is in a rush to max out the spec tree. It's not even a reasonable strategy. It's about time this game added some elements that actually took some time and effort to earn. What's the point if everything is just handed to you?
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
If I could interject.
I wouldn't mind against a reasonable barrier for multi-toon accounts.
I think what's in place right now needs to be re-scaled.
It's basically the same thing all over again, only on a higher level. Before DR, a fully repped char. had the advantage over a fresh lvl 50 char. even with the limit on the rep. passives they implemented because a vanilla char. wouldn't have any reps done yet.
Now, after DR, it's the same with the specializations - they're also limited to 1 main and 1 secondary. So when people spec enough in the specializations to have one primary and one secondary filled, they're back on the same level. Just as there will be more reps but only 4space/4ground passives at a given moment - there will be more specialziations, but only 2 can be used at any given moment.
Then at this point we are talking about a different issue (the xp and dil nerf) and I agree with you there. I understand the need to rebalance this aspect of the game, but they certainly took it way too far, and we can only hope they adjust it.
I haven't been back to STO long ago to evaluate my opinions as it relates to alts. I have them, but I have not had the time to do much with them since DR, so I do recognize there's a problem there but I just haven't given it much thought yet.
I leveled a Romulan to 50 just before DR hit (thanks to the double xp) and I had an awesome time doing so. I even think they may end up being my favorite and preferred faction, but he has definitely been neglected since DR was released.
Firesworn Nation (@rswfire) - https://www.firesworn.com
Nope, Argala is Delta Quadrant.
That being said, Isn't what makes the player 10% setup and 90% player ability? I've seen identical builds be miles away in dps terms, piloting is very important and ability to use skills/items at the right time is key. Differences of 10k even though the build, skills, traits etc are all identical are not impossible.
Most games I have played had no such thing as a level playing field, they almost all had what looked like insurmountable odds setups, where people with lower teir equipment were going against people that had unlocked all kinds of advantages, often with just 1 level difference but sometimes with up to 10 levels difference, some even with no restrictions or penalties at all regardless of opponents level or ability. This is ignoring people with better equipment they grinded or paid for or lucked out finding.
The challenge and joy of beating people who have advantages against you is one of the best things in pvp, mashing identical powers against each other in stalemate situations is just dull.
Just finished Intel Space Tier 3. Those skills are wicked! Almost 'Too good to be true!' kind of good.
On that note, please give us back ALL our rep traits, as, with DR, power creep went ballistic as it is.
:eek:
Oh, I was there just long enough to make a u-turn and bug out. The forums were ablaze with posts saying if you haven't rep'd up and had mk14 gear you had no business there. I'm still waiting for them to allow me to upgrade my hybrid weapons because they can't handle the advanced queues tho laughed at the old elite's.
*shrug
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
There may have been an intense focusing by most players on their mains, but not all of them will be consigned to the trash heap. Personally I only made alts as I had finished almost all the content with my main and wanted to play around with some fleet mates with different races (and see myself how OP roms are, lol) and now they serve a great purpose as dil farmers. I'll be maxing 1 out at a time, it will take a long time, but it's not like there is an end to these types of games, and hopefully it will be here a long time yet.
Next time just ignore those idiots, k? Never let people push you into a place you don't want to be, or out of a place you'd like to be in.