To which I call BS, the fact is nobody is looking to "cheat" and whether it is this or the Voth ground zone or any of several other areas, players are going to look for anyplace that is going to give them the best chances of getting ahead while feeling the least like hamsters running in a wheel desperately trying to reach a stale peace of cheese, anyone who says they aren't doing this is not being honest, but if they can't own up to that, the very least they can do is not be hypocrites pointing fingers at others. Every time I see someone posting "the cheaters got away with it" it disgusts me, because Cryptic in their infinite stupidity have driven a wedge in the community that some people just refuse to let go of in spite of the fact that they themselves are probably doing things that might not bear close scrutiny.
errm i was quoting you and you said "everyone has skeletons in their closet" I didnt say it you did I was just pointing out.
I play fps as well and you aint seen nothing till you have seen the crud that happens in a multiplayer fps just so a guy can win lol. Still doesnt make it right. Gaming is basically a wild west mentality. Its fine, but I wont ever be agreeing with what I see.
I really dont care if people get punished or not, but no.. I have no skeletons in my closet although I am sorely tempted right now to put some in there but I probably wont cause I have fun as things are now..
People here crying foul claiming that "the cheaters got away with it" need to just get off the high horse, every one of you have your own skeletons hidden away in the closet and you know it, all this indignation is just way too hypocritical.
I didn'T have much time to "exploit" this bug, but I think I benefitted from it. But I wouldn't have cried if my specialization points had been taken away. That is just part of the risk of doing something questionable - sometimes you don't go unnoticed.
I suppose this was however still the better choice for Cryptic, giving all the anger they generated. Though the real problem will not be that they gave spec points back - the real problem is the changes to the skill point rewards, and that is not going away just because a minority of players got their spec points back. But if it fans the flames and generates sales...
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Tis a good first move, and I do applaud the effort and intent of a public apology on this matter. Hopefully this is the beginning of a conversation that ends with the other player concerns relating to DR getting addressed.
I will be very interested to see what happens in the next week or so.
I concur....
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Please STOP making stuff up to try and prove a point your attempting to make.
On that issue, I was misinformed, the last I herd was it was up in Febuary So I apolagise for that, I was unware of Captain Smirks post and thank you for correcting me and I was not and would never make things up
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Guys, you do realise, that stephendangelo may have been forced by the higher ups in pwe to formally state an apology to the playerbase as damage control?
...and what an half-arsed apology that is...."we have decided that rather than doing another round of corrections a week after the problem event, that we will restore the points to all characters that had them removed"
He isn't apologizing out of the good of his heart! Someone with an eye on the ever-deminishing money logistics obviously got Dangelo to apologize in the hopes that more people don't leave star trek online and uninstall the game.
Yeah, we get it. So?! They saw the error of their ways, and rectified the situation. That's all that matters. PWE has obviously seen the dead queues too. That is their, and OUR, greatest concern: if come next week they don't have a game any more, nor do we. Although I never expect them to admit it in public, of course, the exodus is nonetheless troublesome.
Whatever the reasons we need to look past this and concentrate on the underlying problems that caused this in the first place, along with DR came a round of massive changes that have sucked the fun out of the game, this whole drama with spec points was just the cherry on top and the reason why those who lost points were so angry.
They may have returned the points but that doesn't fix everything else that is still broken, xp nerfs, rewards dropped, npc shield and hp boosted to drag out encounters without any improvement in AI and areas of gameplay replaced with repetitive grind with obvious paygate shortcuts, all sending the clear message that STO is intensifying it's focus on monetization, while offering as little of value in the exchange as possible, people are not stupid and they aren't going to react well to anyone treating them like they are, that is the real reason people have left and are going to continue leaving and until Cryptic addresses that these little PR stunts are meaningless.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Whatever the reasons we need to look past this and concentrate on the underlying problems that caused this in the first place, along with DR came a round of massive changes that have sucked the fun out of the game, this whole drama with spec points was just the cherry on top and the reason why those who lost points were so angry.
They may have returned the points but that doesn't fix everything else that is still broken, xp nerfs, rewards dropped, npc shield and hp boosted to drag out encounters without any improvement in AI and areas of gameplay replaced with repetitive grind with obvious paygate shortcuts, all sending the clear message that STO is intensifying it's focus on monetization, while offering as little of value in the exchange as possible, people are not stupid and they aren't going to react well to anyone treating them like they are, that is the real reason people have left and are going to continue leaving and until Cryptic addresses that these little PR stunts are meaningless.
Nicely put.
I hope the apology is put in the next email to all registered members so at least those who left know the situation has changed. Frankly this thread should be pinned so everyone see it and can inform others especially those in the gaming media.
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I find really interesting how some people keep bring up the subject about customer service.
Big words have been thrown around, metrics, churn rate, etc.
I bet that sooner rather then later someone at PWE will come up with a simple math formula to determine which customers are worth keeping, and other customers are worth cutting ties with.
Keep that in mind while you keep fanning forum flames.
Well they aren't punishing me because I haven't been playing the game since DR launched, I've logged in, checked my different toons and saw what they didn't fix, shook my head in disgust and logged out.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Well they aren't punishing me because I haven't been playing the game since DR launched, I've logged in, checked my different toons and saw what they didn't fix, shook my head in disgust and logged out.
The sum of it there is a war its Space Snakes vs Space Zombies and you get caught in the middle. Once you realize how caught up in this you are... You then become to realize you are in this huge grind not only a new rep grind but a triple edged xp sword edge grind. You must level each ship, character, and a new specialization system per character which not only costs an enormous amount of resources either be it dilithium or zen but also time and they went over board with this and the rewards for them aren't even that great.
So in all remember the Delta Quadrant is requiring you to xp each of your characters, each of your characters ships, level each of their specializations, and finally get that old rep you've been dying to grind for! I guess most players who could never agree on things I bet you they all agree that they don't like this rofl.
An apology isn't going to fix the problem of the missions not rewarding enough points. Please, put the points back!
They removed the entire pve endgame contend with former elite mode and replaced it with something that can hardly be enjoyed by a lot.
Its really puzzling. I play STOs endgame for 2,5 years now and had so much XP at my disposal without realising it that could have build fleet bases ally by myself. If they had left endgame as enjoyable as it was I doubt anybody would have been in the need to get skill points fast in the first place.
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Ok, geez. The guy posts an apology AND restores all the specialization points they took away, INCLUDING the people who exploited it and got the whole thing started...
And that's not good enough? Wonder why we have a problem with the forums?
I'm not going to close the thread just yet.
Please do not post off-topic (this thread is about the restoration of specialization points), or indulge in baseless speculation about why they restored the points, or rant about anything else in general.
It's customary to respond to an apology with "Thank you" or "I accept your apology". If you can't bring yourself to be at least that polite, there's nothing wrong with keeping your silence.
Let's stop burning the bridges, eh? Responses from here on out may be moderated.
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Next step is to correct the mess currently referred to as WAI leveling, AKA bloody boring grinding for TRIBBLE all return.
Then I may consider playing again. Basically a massive overhaul of the Dil costs and Reward vs Time for all current Queue's, missions and patrols is needed. No carrot, no point in playing, no point in having 9 T6 ships if I can't afford to outfit a single damn one before 2017...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Getting back 4 out of 12+ points makes me less than 1/3 happy. So I guess a little under a third of a thanks, is in order. Would not like to appear unreasonable or something.
Ok, geez. The guy posts an apology AND restores all the specialization points they took away, INCLUDING the people who exploited it and got the whole thing started...
And that's not good enough? Wonder why we have a problem with the forums?
I'm not going to close the thread just yet.
Please do not post off-topic (this thread is about the restoration of specialization points), or indulge in baseless speculation about why they restored the points, or rant about anything else in general.
It's customary to respond to an apology with "Thank you" or "I accept your apology". If you can't bring yourself to be at least that polite, there's nothing wrong with keeping your silence.
Let's stop burning the bridges, eh? Responses from here on out may be moderated.
Says the volunteer player-moderator, lest someone blame my annoyed response on Cryptic.
Don't think that I don't get what you're saying, but I for one am not going to say "Thank you" for the guy rectifying something that affected a lot of people including myself who did nothing wrong.
Next step is to correct the mess currently referred to as WAI leveling, AKA bloody boring grinding for TRIBBLE all return.
Then I may consider playing again. Basically a massive overhaul of the Dil costs and Reward vs Time for all current Queue's, missions and patrols is needed. No carrot, no point in playing, no point in having 9 T6 ships if I can't afford to outfit a single damn one before 2017...
Spot On.
Step 1 Fix XP
Step 2 Fix reward/level of effort
Step 3 Fix Dil Cost to incorporate more "Alt Friendliness"
Step 4 Fix Advanced STF's
Step 5 Profit from all of it.
Don't think that I don't get what you're saying, but I for one am not going to say "Thank you" for the guy rectifying something that affected a lot of people including myself who did nothing wrong.
With that, AFAIC it's bygones.
Fair enough.
I'm not trying to shove an unfelt expression of gratitude down anybody's throats, or downplay the reality that mistakes were made. I'm perfectly fine with a neutral acceptance that ends the ranting in this thread.
Trying to walk a fine line between not censoring the frustration of Cryptic's customers, potentially leading to improvements in service, and moderating the kind of toxic incivility that goes against forum rules and makes this place a cesspool.
Fact is, the initial response probably would have been reasonable if they had been able to accurately target the people who were abusing the situation. The real mistake was failing to do that. Deciding to avoid making further mistakes and rolling back to the best of their ability was probably the right call... even though that means that a few people are out there way ahead of everybody else and catching up is going to be difficult.
I don't PvP, so it's no skin off my nose either way. I don't have to play catch up.
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errm i was quoting you and you said "everyone has skeletons in their closet"
I play fps as well and you aint seen nothing till you have seen the crud that happens in a multiplayer fps just so a guy can win lol. Still doesnt make it right. Gaming is basically a wild west mentality. Its fine, but I wont ever be agreeing with what I see.
I really dont care if people get punished or not, but no.. I have no skeletons in my closet although I am sorely tempted right now to put some in there but I probably wont cause I have fun as things are now..
:P
I suppose this was however still the better choice for Cryptic, giving all the anger they generated. Though the real problem will not be that they gave spec points back - the real problem is the changes to the skill point rewards, and that is not going away just because a minority of players got their spec points back. But if it fans the flames and generates sales...
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On that issue, I was misinformed, the last I herd was it was up in Febuary So I apolagise for that, I was unware of Captain Smirks post and thank you for correcting me and I was not and would never make things up
Yeah, we get it. So?! They saw the error of their ways, and rectified the situation. That's all that matters. PWE has obviously seen the dead queues too. That is their, and OUR, greatest concern: if come next week they don't have a game any more, nor do we. Although I never expect them to admit it in public, of course, the exodus is nonetheless troublesome.
They may have returned the points but that doesn't fix everything else that is still broken, xp nerfs, rewards dropped, npc shield and hp boosted to drag out encounters without any improvement in AI and areas of gameplay replaced with repetitive grind with obvious paygate shortcuts, all sending the clear message that STO is intensifying it's focus on monetization, while offering as little of value in the exchange as possible, people are not stupid and they aren't going to react well to anyone treating them like they are, that is the real reason people have left and are going to continue leaving and until Cryptic addresses that these little PR stunts are meaningless.
Nicely put.
I hope the apology is put in the next email to all registered members so at least those who left know the situation has changed. Frankly this thread should be pinned so everyone see it and can inform others especially those in the gaming media.
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Big words have been thrown around, metrics, churn rate, etc.
I bet that sooner rather then later someone at PWE will come up with a simple math formula to determine which customers are worth keeping, and other customers are worth cutting ties with.
Keep that in mind while you keep fanning forum flames.
The sum of it there is a war its Space Snakes vs Space Zombies and you get caught in the middle. Once you realize how caught up in this you are... You then become to realize you are in this huge grind not only a new rep grind but a triple edged xp sword edge grind. You must level each ship, character, and a new specialization system per character which not only costs an enormous amount of resources either be it dilithium or zen but also time and they went over board with this and the rewards for them aren't even that great.
So in all remember the Delta Quadrant is requiring you to xp each of your characters, each of your characters ships, level each of their specializations, and finally get that old rep you've been dying to grind for! I guess most players who could never agree on things I bet you they all agree that they don't like this rofl.
Thank you for the apology and restoration of points. Its appreciated.
Wait, who called players morons? Where?
They removed the entire pve endgame contend with former elite mode and replaced it with something that can hardly be enjoyed by a lot.
Its really puzzling. I play STOs endgame for 2,5 years now and had so much XP at my disposal without realising it that could have build fleet bases ally by myself. If they had left endgame as enjoyable as it was I doubt anybody would have been in the need to get skill points fast in the first place.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
And that's not good enough? Wonder why we have a problem with the forums?
I'm not going to close the thread just yet.
Please do not post off-topic (this thread is about the restoration of specialization points), or indulge in baseless speculation about why they restored the points, or rant about anything else in general.
It's customary to respond to an apology with "Thank you" or "I accept your apology". If you can't bring yourself to be at least that polite, there's nothing wrong with keeping your silence.
Let's stop burning the bridges, eh? Responses from here on out may be moderated.
Says the volunteer player-moderator, lest someone blame my annoyed response on Cryptic.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Next step is to correct the mess currently referred to as WAI leveling, AKA bloody boring grinding for TRIBBLE all return.
Then I may consider playing again. Basically a massive overhaul of the Dil costs and Reward vs Time for all current Queue's, missions and patrols is needed. No carrot, no point in playing, no point in having 9 T6 ships if I can't afford to outfit a single damn one before 2017...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Don't think that I don't get what you're saying, but I for one am not going to say "Thank you" for the guy rectifying something that affected a lot of people including myself who did nothing wrong.
With that, AFAIC it's bygones.
Spot On.
Step 1 Fix XP
Step 2 Fix reward/level of effort
Step 3 Fix Dil Cost to incorporate more "Alt Friendliness"
Step 4 Fix Advanced STF's
Step 5 Profit from all of it.
Fair enough.
I'm not trying to shove an unfelt expression of gratitude down anybody's throats, or downplay the reality that mistakes were made. I'm perfectly fine with a neutral acceptance that ends the ranting in this thread.
Trying to walk a fine line between not censoring the frustration of Cryptic's customers, potentially leading to improvements in service, and moderating the kind of toxic incivility that goes against forum rules and makes this place a cesspool.
Fact is, the initial response probably would have been reasonable if they had been able to accurately target the people who were abusing the situation. The real mistake was failing to do that. Deciding to avoid making further mistakes and rolling back to the best of their ability was probably the right call... even though that means that a few people are out there way ahead of everybody else and catching up is going to be difficult.
I don't PvP, so it's no skin off my nose either way. I don't have to play catch up.
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