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locutusofjosh
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is it my understanding that pay to play people get more unfair advantage over free play people with new update?
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No more of an advantage now than before...also no different from any other game with a cash store.
No. Someone who pays can get something right away where people who don't have to invest time to earn the same thing. STO's model is 'pay to be lazy', not 'pay to win'.
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I would like to do so now as well but cant see any benefits because I would still need something to play at all.
There were multiple fleetmates coming on yesterday in the hope that Thursday's patch would have done something.
Common question was: Did they fix the STF?
At least I was able to point them at mirror . Normal.
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Nothing you can't earn without spending money. The only thing to debate is how that balance is and how long it takes. Too short a time and everyone leaves from boredom, too long a time and people feel pay to win.
Sorry, I don't get what you are saying?
Like what? What is unreachable?
Paid players do not receive any additional bonuses that benefit them unfairly when up against F2P players...
Pretty much everything is Quality of Life stuff that makes aspects of the game more convenient, without creating a power imbalance...
If you don't wanna cough up cash, you just have to work a little harder to get the same result... Seems fair to me...
Playable Talaxian
Playable Borg
Vet Ships (3 - one for each race, though by rights it is the same ship just in 3 colours)
Free level 50 Ship token per character (It's how all my KDF get the B'rel)
Did I miss anything?
Don't think so.....
That is all the stuff Golds get Silvers cannot get without spending money on being Gold / Lifetime.
In fact, Id go so far to say that a non paying player has the "unfair" advantage, in that they can recieve everything in game with some time and effort.
The few exclusive LTS items, ships and races are inconsequential at best.
The only item i can think of that is actually super exclusive in STO (and could make a difference) was for those who Pre Ordered STO, and recieved the coveted "Red Matter Capacitor"
Not quite
Three's 3 DOFFs you get regardless of faction. The exact details slip me but it goes along like this:
* Shield Distribution DOFF that gives a small percentage of attacks as shield heals (real nifty, IMHO). This is probably what you're thinking about, but it's quite useful and I stuff this in with most builds I do. For Roms, on top of the Valdore Console, it should be easy to keep shields in very good condition.
* Another DOFF that when you use ASIF, it placates the enemy if your hull is below a certain %
* Another DOFF that allows Tachyon Beam to pull a target (as a Science player, there's nasty implications on that with a Drain Boat).
Ah, thx for clarifying that. Maybe I will get the package sooner or later as there are some interesting ship mastery traits too:)
I'd prefer an I.S.S. designation for all my ships
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
KNOCK, KNOCK
Who's there?
REALITY IS..
Reality who?
REALITY IS WHO PAYS GETS STUFF.
Many people would say if people who aren't paying get anything...anything at all...it's unfair to the people who pay to play. In reality most Free to play games are really a try before you buy option.
For example in SWTOR "Free to play" people get experience at HALF the rate of subscribers AND they top out five levels from the cap. If you aren't paying you really don't have the right to expect anything. Subscribers who put in over a hundred dollars a year are going to get something for their money. STO treats FTP players better than most games do.
"...ermahgerd, people who pay get more stuff than those who don't, not fair not fair not fair..."
Lol, well lets put this into a simple context. If the freeplayers got the same as the people who pay, then why would people pay iif they got it for free? If we got everything for free, then no-one would spend money, then.... bye bye STO.
I class myself as a freeplayer, even though I have bought Zen with cash in the past when I wanted some new ships or gear from the C-store. Soon I will be picking up the new T6 Romulan warbird which will mean me spending some more pennies, but I digress.
If I bought aa lifetime subscription, then damn right I would expect lots more goodies, but I won't be doing that yet. As I am a casual player, I am more happy buying with cash, as and when I need it.
So if you want the epic stuff, then stop being such a miser and get your credit card out.
Just to add - none of which provides an unfair advantage over silver players. All it boils down to is having something unique to wave arround, not necessarilly better.
Yes. Now we can slot a race that instead of having massive dps like a romulan can get a few extra crafting materials. With that leetness we can make one, maybe two extra upgrade scrolls per day, or maybe even a laser beam! It will take a couple of days to level one up but I already started one because I don't have enough to do upgrading all my gear on my old toons, and certainly have a lot of time on my hands after using my leet bought and paid for skillz to faceroll thru 10 daily mirror events for each character.
Or, just maybe, all you get from spending money is a little bit of zen each month, enough to buy a couple of ships / year and if lifetime access to a bunch of mid grade stuff that is not terribly exciting --- some fireworks, a monkey pet, the vet destroyers, borg and new race, things like that. The only thing I get consistent benefit from is my $5 worth of zen per month. You could just spend the $5 / month and have everything I have that matters as lifetime. If you play and pay that for several YEARS I will come out "ahead" for having only paid once forever instead of 5/ month. But that is 3+ years after the fact.
And if you don't spend the $5/month you can have everything I do with a little "work" converting dil to zen. I do a lot of that myself, because 5 bucks does not go very far.
The state of the PvP is a whole another problem by itself. It doesn't really matter how experienced or new you are, I've been playing since 2011 and I can still get insta-vaped by the likes of minimax in PvP.
Maybe balancing the queues by gear score would be a solution to this, so that players with uber lockbox, elite fleet and such gear get paired with such players and the ones that are still building their chars would be paired with others on the same level of development. If I'm not mistaking, I think that NW has sth. like this.
And the warzones should remain warzones. Ker'rat needs to be a free for all regardless of gear, skill or whatever. Warzones are for the likes of Captain Kirk and General Chang.
OP, if while spending $100 in a store you observed someone next to you being given the same items for free, would you be ok with that?? Of course you wouldnt!! How people can have the audacity, and get all arsy, about the idea that someone who has paid gets more, is beyond me.. Especially in a game where -
a) The extras arnt really all that great, as suggested, they are pure fluff.
b) Anything that is genuinly beneficial, or better than free, is grindable.
I do so wish people would stop with this question.. it is NOT pay2win, it IS pay2notwait!
I can safely say that the 5% xp buff that vets get might as well vanish with the pittance the game gives you. Ground on kobali prime 1 kill it 2-3 xp so 5% of that doesnt even register.
Playable races are nice if you want to make use of the traits or be a borg, likewise the android boff is a traits thing.
Barely anything is an advantage.
Oh there is the stipend but since I've had my lts I've noticed more than a few times the zen hasnt been awarded and trying to ask support about it is more painful than DR levelling.
People who pay do not necessarily get an unfair advantage over F2P players. Yes, they are given extra perks (like playable races and 500 monthly Zen) and exclusives (like veteran ships), but that is in exchange for a lump sum of cash ($200 / $300 for LTS) that is paid in advance. People who pay the month $15 subscription can eventually get things like the veteran ships after subscribing for 1,000 days.
It is kinda like purchasing the collector edition of a game, you pay more for the normal edition of a game, but you get extra stuff for your money, Fallout 3 is the one and only game I purchased on the release date; I did not even bother reading any reviews for it. I simply wanted the game. Now I could have paid more money for the collector's edition which included a lunchbox and a bobble head, but I am not sure if it included a special in-game item. I did not bother buying the collector's edition because I felt it was not worth the money to get the other trinkets. But obviously there are people who purchased it.
Aside from the few "perks" that only LTS or gold subscribers get everything else can be obtained by F2P player by either using Zen purchased with real money, or by grinding for dilithium to be exchanged for dilithium. If LTS and gold members do not get something of value in return for giving Cryptic real money, then what's the incentive to pay money?
The real advantage are given to people who purchased a LTS for $200 and have been playing for a long time. In the US the 500 Zen monthly stipend is worth $5. That means if you play STO for 40 months you will have received $200 worth of Zen. After that point Cryptic is essentially paying you 500 Zen per month to play STO. Think about it... you are being paid with in game currency to play STO...