yup the difficulty has been ramped up, my mirror universe nova sciance ship with all mk xii gear used to be fine on elite now it explodes if i look at a sphere wrong, oh well
looks like the days off haveing 5 tier 2 ships with fleet mates running ESTF's are over for now anyway
and the minute you and your fleet mates figure out a staratgem how to accomplish them...cryptic hits you with a nerf bat and call your stratagies an exploit .
To those who say that advanced STFs are equivalent to the old elite STFs, I challenge you to queue up for an advanced Khitomer space. Anyone who claims that advanced Khitomer space is anywhere even remotely in the same ballpark as the old elites is a liar, or hasn't actually tried it. Is it doable? Yes, It is. Is it enjoyable? No.
Of the three times I tried it only once did we complete it. It took an hour and a half. The other two times people left after the first 45 minutes, can't say I blame them. Probes have 130k health now and unless you have decent DPS could take even 2 people to kill probes per side. The tactical cube at the beginning took many minutes to kill. Do yourself a huge favor and don't even attempt this STF without an entire DPS team. Several times we had beam cruisers or Solanae science ships just whaling away at probes and barely managing to hold them off. Not so much in the beginning, but later when three or four at a time come out.
All of the incoming arguments are going to be based on my skill (been here since beta, pretty sure I don't suck), my ship (T6 running all mk 14s), or the skill of the other people in my team (they claimed to be mostly the equivalent).
The fact I'm trying to point out is that, though doable, KSA is not fun, and definitely NOT the same as the old KSE. And don't even get me started on the XP / reward for my hour + of work.
As with most everything in life, if you haven't tried it, you don't have much credibility when knocking it; So go try it before flaming me.
I agree.
The old Elite STFs were the best content to show off your new ships/gear.
You fired your weapons and they did damage.
Now, you need to go purely DPS or GTFO.
That's not fun.
Cryptic killed Faction diversity.
Cryptic killed PvP.
Now, Cryptic killed the STFs.
BUT...they finally adapted content for the fetish abuse gimp demographic.
I guess that's the silver lining.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
The new advanced khitomer isn't the same as the old elite, no. But neither is it at all hard with a decent group. I've done it once.. with my ship doing 20k, another doing 15k, and the pugs doing 5, 5, and 2.5k. The other three were useless, they couldn't even do enough damage to stop a sphere's shields from regenerating so they tended to just play with a sphere off on a corner of the map while my friend and I did literally everything.
If you're halfway decent, pulling around 15k.. it's pretty easy. If you're somewhat good, more in the 20k ballpark, it's kinda a joke. Think about this for a second.. probes have 130k health. ON AVERAGE.. I'm pulling 20k dps. Probably doing spikes of something like 30-40k with skills going. Probes therefore only take a couple of seconds to wipe out. This is what players SHOULD be doing if they're properly geared and specced. That's not saying gold Mk XIV's, just purple MK XII or better with appropriate mods and the right boff powers on a ship that isn't worthless.
The real kicker is they removed old elite STFs, forcing you to level and gear up to play the same stuff on advanced. I have never seen a game raise the level cap and FORCE people to level to play the same content they did at the old cap. Suppose I don't want to play the expansion? I can't continue doing what I was doing before it's release because that content was removed from the game. I would almost pay money for a roll back to oct 13th at this point. At least then I was having fun.
It is NOT harder. You are just not comparatively gear as you were previously
I shouldn't have to be "comparatively geared" as I was previously. When it's "similiar" to the old elite it never said "you need to spend a year leveling up your stuff in order to do the same exact content without any real meaningful changes that you could do two weeks ago, because we said so.
That was what elite was supposed to be. You were supposed to be "competative" with your T5 ships and your MKXII gear. Remember that statement. Well guess what... if you need to upgrade your gear, then the statement that you could be "competative with your old gear" was a pure unadulterated lie, as was the statement "advanced will be the old elite"
The way this thing should be set up is normal for newer players, advanced for experienced players and elite for players that want a challenge.
Unfortunately the difficulty curve between the 3 modes is way too steep. I can handle advanced just fine but I don't enjoy it and i don't find the rewards compelling. I don't like being forced to use the same cookie cutter DPS build as everyone else.
I want to fly Galaxy Xs Odessys and sovereigns while earning meaningful rewards. I can fly the ships I want in normal but i cant get the rewards. I can get a little of the rewards i want from advanced but I cant fly the ships I want. So now there are no STFs for me
Completed it Friday in a little over average time. Have had much longer ones.
This was a pug. But it was obvious early on that all were excellent players. No voice coms...no typing coms.
Folks just took the usual assignments and went to town. At lest 4 of the 5 could and did solo the generators and cube that spawns. While guarding against probes. Tells you our dps...
Was dissappointed in reward...
No one was in a tier 6 ship. But they were in know lobi or better fleet T5 - u's.
Nothing special about this STF...Still a dps race. Not like the new Disconnected.
I agree.
The old Elite STFs were the best content to show off your new ships/gear.
You fired your weapons and they did damage.
Now, you need to go purely DPS or GTFO.
That's not fun.
Cryptic killed Faction diversity.
Cryptic killed PvP.
Now, Cryptic killed the STFs.
BUT...they finally adapted content for the fetish abuse gimp demographic.
I guess that's the silver lining.
Exactly and true. Hope they fix or a lot of players will leave.
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and the minute you and your fleet mates figure out a staratgem how to accomplish them...cryptic hits you with a nerf bat and call your stratagies an exploit .
I agree.
The old Elite STFs were the best content to show off your new ships/gear.
You fired your weapons and they did damage.
Now, you need to go purely DPS or GTFO.
That's not fun.
Cryptic killed Faction diversity.
Cryptic killed PvP.
Now, Cryptic killed the STFs.
BUT...they finally adapted content for the fetish abuse gimp demographic.
I guess that's the silver lining.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
If you're halfway decent, pulling around 15k.. it's pretty easy. If you're somewhat good, more in the 20k ballpark, it's kinda a joke. Think about this for a second.. probes have 130k health. ON AVERAGE.. I'm pulling 20k dps. Probably doing spikes of something like 30-40k with skills going. Probes therefore only take a couple of seconds to wipe out. This is what players SHOULD be doing if they're properly geared and specced. That's not saying gold Mk XIV's, just purple MK XII or better with appropriate mods and the right boff powers on a ship that isn't worthless.
And miss... and miss... and miss.
I shouldn't have to be "comparatively geared" as I was previously. When it's "similiar" to the old elite it never said "you need to spend a year leveling up your stuff in order to do the same exact content without any real meaningful changes that you could do two weeks ago, because we said so.
That was what elite was supposed to be. You were supposed to be "competative" with your T5 ships and your MKXII gear. Remember that statement. Well guess what... if you need to upgrade your gear, then the statement that you could be "competative with your old gear" was a pure unadulterated lie, as was the statement "advanced will be the old elite"
Guess what... it's not.
Unfortunately the difficulty curve between the 3 modes is way too steep. I can handle advanced just fine but I don't enjoy it and i don't find the rewards compelling. I don't like being forced to use the same cookie cutter DPS build as everyone else.
I want to fly Galaxy Xs Odessys and sovereigns while earning meaningful rewards. I can fly the ships I want in normal but i cant get the rewards. I can get a little of the rewards i want from advanced but I cant fly the ships I want. So now there are no STFs for me
This was a pug. But it was obvious early on that all were excellent players. No voice coms...no typing coms.
Folks just took the usual assignments and went to town. At lest 4 of the 5 could and did solo the generators and cube that spawns. While guarding against probes. Tells you our dps...
Was dissappointed in reward...
No one was in a tier 6 ship. But they were in know lobi or better fleet T5 - u's.
Nothing special about this STF...Still a dps race. Not like the new Disconnected.
Infected Ground Advanced fails within ten to twenty seconds.
Exactly and true. Hope they fix or a lot of players will leave.
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