What part of the new unbelievable dilithium requirements to force you to buy Zen are you not comprehending?
is that the same 'unbelievable dilithium requirements' that have been mentioned in all the "raise or remove the dilithium refine cap" threads that have plagued the forums for the last 3 years by any chance.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What part of unsubstantiated hyperbole do you not comprehend?
If you're stupidly impatient, and buy your way through the project times, then you deserve to have your dilithium extracted through the nose...
Basically, yes. Can people not get Cryptic are now using the patience or bypass with a paywall approach? They've designed this system for those who want it all now. If you are one of those people, then you have to be prepared to pay for it and that is, frankly, your problem. Spend away and know that you jumped ahead of the timegates.
If you are prepared to wait things out, you actually need very little dilithium.
Mods please put a stop to this madness. Enough of these increase Cap threads.
Until put in the F.C.T. there will be many more to follow unfortunately.
Anyway OP I have a solution for you.
8K a day refinement limit isn't enough for you and you want to immediately have more refined ore? No problem! You can go a buy Zen using many payment options available, which from there you can use Zen to exchange for all ready refined ore to use to your pleasure.
Problem solved.
Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
i cant understand people who play like mad every day amassing much more dilithium each day then they can realisticly refine in a week instead of playing some of the other fun stuff in sto that doesn't pay dilithium but has other nice rewards they can use, dont they know dilithium isnt the be all and end all of the game and they are missing out on a whole load of good stuff by resticting themselfs to just pointlessly farming dilithium day in and day out.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
i cant understand people who play like mad every day amassing much more dilithium each day then they can realisticly refine in a week instead of playing some of the other fun stuff in sto that doesn't pay dilithium but has other nice rewards they can use, dont they know dilithium isnt the be all and end all of the game and they are missing out on a whole load of good stuff by resticting themselfs to just pointlessly farming dilithium day in and day out.
Once you're endgame the game doesnt offer anything except grind dilithium.
It's all I can do really, do stf's? Dilithium
Ground battlezones? Dilithium
There's nothing else to do. So of course people are going to have hundreds of thousands of unrefined dilithium.
Being able to refine more would allow more play options.
Once you're endgame the game doesnt offer anything except grind dilithium.
It's all I can do really, do stf's? Dilithium
Ground battlezones? Dilithium
There's nothing else to do. So of course people are going to have hundreds of thousands of unrefined dilithium.
Being able to refine more would allow more play options.
Yeah, that's not true. There are literally thousands of missions from the Foundry - some of them better than the developer created missions. Of course, you can get some dilithium from the Foundry too - but it's not farming. Granted not everyone wants to play the Foundry, but the assertion "the game doesn't offer anything except grind" is completely incorrect.
At the rate of what . . . $1 . . . $2 an hour? :eek:
so what? if someone wants to pay me a buck an hour to enjoy myself by doing something i would've done for free, or paid them to let me do, that's a good deal. i was playing sto's endgame when all we got was marks. grind currency is grind currency whether it can be used in the dilithium stores, cstore, marks stores, whatever.
the important thing is to treat gaming as your hobby, not your job. if you start thinking of it as a job to earn more stuff you don't need then you're only going to end up burned out.
Once you're endgame the game doesnt offer anything except grind dilithium.
It's all I can do really, do stf's? Dilithium
Ground battlezones? Dilithium
There's nothing else to do. So of course people are going to have hundreds of thousands of unrefined dilithium.
Being able to refine more would allow more play options.
well in that case i must be a really slow progresser because i`ve been playing for 3 years and cant have got to endgame yet because i seem to find loads of fun things to do and quite a bit of it rewards no dilithium at all.
if fact there is a heck of a lot of stuff i havent done yet myself and i am the first to admit it but then i`m not complaining about the dilithium cap.
in fact most days i dont even get to the maximum 8k dil on any of my 3 toons and i play a lot of hours every day.
i never get bored and can always find something fun to do, some rewards dil some does not.
having said that i must be getting enough dil cos i have amassed enough this year to trade for arround 30k of zen (about $300 worth), thats besides getting all the gear i need and donating a goodly heap to the fleet.
but i`m not in the least obsessed by the stuff like some players seem to be.
being able to rifine more dilithium doesn't alter the play options one bit, all it does is get you what your aiming for quicker so you can complaine you have nothing to play for.
theres always other options its just that you choose not to take them because they dont reward dilithium.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Bottom line Cryptic has a projected profit target. Adding more D to the system won't in fact help anyone it will just push Cryptic to adjust all future prices to match the new amount of D in the system. The "grind" cost to people converting to Zen will be completely unchanged the market will simply adjust to the new higher amount of D as well.
Bottom line nothing changes... the ONLY way the amount of D you need to get things done will go down is if more people inject more real $ into the system... which adjust the exchange rates. (at least for buying zen stuff. Which should make it easier to make EC so you can reduce your upgrade costs to a min at least) Really if you need more D play more toons. Its the way the system is setup. Don't have the time to play 5 toons... hey Rich D tickets are now account bound, and contraband is always an option. Or as the OP mentions run 4 or 5 toons though dyson ground. The people there all day aren't there all day on one toon... or they do one toon a day for a week... because one run though is pretty much 8k.
Think of it this way... if X company is selling widgets for $1 today that cost them 50c of another currency to make. They have a nice little profit margin and all is well with there world. Now if one day there selling currency got inflated... but there costs where completely unchanged. Meaning that now there costs are more like 75c... they won't continue to sell there widget for $1. They will simply up the price to $1.50 to continue making the exact same profit margin.
Bottom line mess with there costs and they simply drive up the sell price and those fluctuations will always be felt most by the person at the end of the line doing the paying. Because no one likes to loose margin %. Its not just about making the same amount of $ its about making the same %. Dill inflation would be very bad for us long term.
"Starbase Fleet Defense","Fleet Alert",Fleet Transport Defense,No Win Scenario,Colony Invasion to name but a few, dont tell me you cant have fun if your not earning dil.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
cryptics not going to do away with the refining limit...you can get around that limit only by buying zen and selling it for dil. so they add more things that cost more dil hoping more players will do the zen<>dil shuffle.
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pretty much.. It's why I don't understand the people that incessantly grind for dil and do nothing with it but convert to zen...
10$ = 1000z = 154,000 dil
but the thing is you can make plenty of dilithium some to covert to zen and some to use for lots of other things besides as you will see if you look at my earlier comment but you can do it all without ever worrying about the refine cap.
you can also do lots of other things besides that are great fun and reward little or no dilithium, if you choose to blinker yourself to just look for fun that involves earning heaps more dilithium then you need that day and ignore the rest of the stuff the game has to offer you have no one to blame but yourself.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
but the thing is you can make plenty of dilithium some to covert to zen and some to use for lots of other things besides as you will see if you look at my earlier comment but you can do it all without ever worrying about the refine cap.
you can also do lots of other things besides that are great fun and reward little or no dilithium, if you choose to blinker yourself to just look for fun that involves earning heaps more dilithium then you need that day and ignore the rest of the stuff the game has to offer you have no one to blame but yourself.
*has no idea what you were trying to say*
I do whatever I feel like on a given day, dil rewards are nice but not essential.
I do whatever I feel like on a given day, dil rewards are nice but not essential.
people who like to play don't care about rewards, but much of the community does, whether it's mission rewards, drops, or whatnot. most people play for the reward these days.
I could see Cryptic doing away with the 500:1 exchange limit and let laissez faire take control. We will probably see something like 1,500:1 to 2,000:1 exchange rates.
While unlimited refining could be great to fill projects and stuff, exchange them for Zen would be rather ludicrous. For example, assume a T6 ship will cost 3,000 Zen, you are possibly looking at needing 4.5 million to 6 million refined dilithium to acquire that ship.
It would be interesting. I can kick in a buck and get 200,000 dilithium. Hmm, I wonder if they'd change the upgrade and rep gear prices?
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Personally, upping the cap to a perfect 10k a day would be fine since at endgame, there's going to be a lot of raw Dilithium flowing in regardless. a 2k boost will not notably affect conversion rates. Would still take 2 days to build up the Dil needed for Reputation gear or speeding Crafting/R&D (the most immediate need for many players).
It'd be a different story if it was upped to 15k or 16k, which is the price of one Reputation request item, which in turn would easily crash the market as most won't have the need to buy Dil just to complete the reqs or finish some R&D after a bit of waiting.
I wonder if players would be in such a rush to refine more dil if the devs said ok refine all you like but we are taking out the dil exchange because nobody will need to buy dil they can just earn what they want or need and refine it all instantly.
a also wonder how much revenue cryptic would loose as a consequence.
the problem is its a slippery slope if they didn't pick a cap level and stick to it but give into every plea im sure there would always be someone who really needs just a couple of thousand more, then someone else who desperately needs to refine another couple of thousand and so on, oh go on another couple of thousand wont make that much difference.
the caps 8000 a day and it aint changing, get used to it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Please no more of this one...
You can refine 8500 per day on each toon with the fleet daily mining doff assignment.
There is another assignment for... I forget if subs or lifers only at SFA that iirc notches it up to 9k.
Aside from buying refined dilithium with zen, as far I know that is it.
One could argue that with all the dilithium sinks in the game now, raising the cap at least would be beneficial, but as others have mentioned this could have a deeply adverse affect on the zen/dilithium exchange.
Failing any new or upcoming information on this one FCT please forum overlords.
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Personally, upping the cap to a perfect 10k a day would be fine since at endgame, there's going to be a lot of raw Dilithium flowing in regardless. a 2k boost will not notably affect conversion rates. Would still take 2 days to build up the Dil needed for Reputation gear or speeding Crafting/R&D (the most immediate need for many players).
It'd be a different story if it was upped to 15k or 16k, which is the price of one Reputation request item, which in turn would easily crash the market as most won't have the need to buy Dil just to complete the reqs or finish some R&D after a bit of waiting.
It doesn't matter what they up the cap to. The costs are set according to the cap. Up the cap, up the costs. It'll still hit exactly the same time gates, but now you need more work to hit that cap.
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is that the same 'unbelievable dilithium requirements' that have been mentioned in all the "raise or remove the dilithium refine cap" threads that have plagued the forums for the last 3 years by any chance.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Basically, yes. Can people not get Cryptic are now using the patience or bypass with a paywall approach? They've designed this system for those who want it all now. If you are one of those people, then you have to be prepared to pay for it and that is, frankly, your problem. Spend away and know that you jumped ahead of the timegates.
If you are prepared to wait things out, you actually need very little dilithium.
Its about time the devs/forum mods jumped on this NOW. I'm getting fed up of seeing at least three threads a week on this subject.
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Until put in the F.C.T. there will be many more to follow unfortunately.
Anyway OP I have a solution for you.
8K a day refinement limit isn't enough for you and you want to immediately have more refined ore? No problem! You can go a buy Zen using many payment options available, which from there you can use Zen to exchange for all ready refined ore to use to your pleasure.
Problem solved.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Once you're endgame the game doesnt offer anything except grind dilithium.
It's all I can do really, do stf's? Dilithium
Ground battlezones? Dilithium
There's nothing else to do. So of course people are going to have hundreds of thousands of unrefined dilithium.
Being able to refine more would allow more play options.
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Yeah, that's not true. There are literally thousands of missions from the Foundry - some of them better than the developer created missions. Of course, you can get some dilithium from the Foundry too - but it's not farming. Granted not everyone wants to play the Foundry, but the assertion "the game doesn't offer anything except grind" is completely incorrect.
At the rate of what . . . $1 . . . $2 an hour? :eek:
the important thing is to treat gaming as your hobby, not your job. if you start thinking of it as a job to earn more stuff you don't need then you're only going to end up burned out.
Increasing the ref cap?? yes, it needs to.
The dilithium costs are set according to our dilithium income. Increasing the cap won't make any difference in what's being whined about.
well in that case i must be a really slow progresser because i`ve been playing for 3 years and cant have got to endgame yet because i seem to find loads of fun things to do and quite a bit of it rewards no dilithium at all.
if fact there is a heck of a lot of stuff i havent done yet myself and i am the first to admit it but then i`m not complaining about the dilithium cap.
in fact most days i dont even get to the maximum 8k dil on any of my 3 toons and i play a lot of hours every day.
i never get bored and can always find something fun to do, some rewards dil some does not.
having said that i must be getting enough dil cos i have amassed enough this year to trade for arround 30k of zen (about $300 worth), thats besides getting all the gear i need and donating a goodly heap to the fleet.
but i`m not in the least obsessed by the stuff like some players seem to be.
being able to rifine more dilithium doesn't alter the play options one bit, all it does is get you what your aiming for quicker so you can complaine you have nothing to play for.
theres always other options its just that you choose not to take them because they dont reward dilithium.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Bottom line Cryptic has a projected profit target. Adding more D to the system won't in fact help anyone it will just push Cryptic to adjust all future prices to match the new amount of D in the system. The "grind" cost to people converting to Zen will be completely unchanged the market will simply adjust to the new higher amount of D as well.
Bottom line nothing changes... the ONLY way the amount of D you need to get things done will go down is if more people inject more real $ into the system... which adjust the exchange rates. (at least for buying zen stuff. Which should make it easier to make EC so you can reduce your upgrade costs to a min at least) Really if you need more D play more toons. Its the way the system is setup. Don't have the time to play 5 toons... hey Rich D tickets are now account bound, and contraband is always an option. Or as the OP mentions run 4 or 5 toons though dyson ground. The people there all day aren't there all day on one toon... or they do one toon a day for a week... because one run though is pretty much 8k.
Think of it this way... if X company is selling widgets for $1 today that cost them 50c of another currency to make. They have a nice little profit margin and all is well with there world. Now if one day there selling currency got inflated... but there costs where completely unchanged. Meaning that now there costs are more like 75c... they won't continue to sell there widget for $1. They will simply up the price to $1.50 to continue making the exact same profit margin.
Bottom line mess with there costs and they simply drive up the sell price and those fluctuations will always be felt most by the person at the end of the line doing the paying. Because no one likes to loose margin %. Its not just about making the same amount of $ its about making the same %. Dill inflation would be very bad for us long term.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
10$ = 1000z = 154,000 dil
My character Tsin'xing
but the thing is you can make plenty of dilithium some to covert to zen and some to use for lots of other things besides as you will see if you look at my earlier comment but you can do it all without ever worrying about the refine cap.
you can also do lots of other things besides that are great fun and reward little or no dilithium, if you choose to blinker yourself to just look for fun that involves earning heaps more dilithium then you need that day and ignore the rest of the stuff the game has to offer you have no one to blame but yourself.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I do whatever I feel like on a given day, dil rewards are nice but not essential.
My character Tsin'xing
It would be interesting. I can kick in a buck and get 200,000 dilithium. Hmm, I wonder if they'd change the upgrade and rep gear prices?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
It'd be a different story if it was upped to 15k or 16k, which is the price of one Reputation request item, which in turn would easily crash the market as most won't have the need to buy Dil just to complete the reqs or finish some R&D after a bit of waiting.
a also wonder how much revenue cryptic would loose as a consequence.
the problem is its a slippery slope if they didn't pick a cap level and stick to it but give into every plea im sure there would always be someone who really needs just a couple of thousand more, then someone else who desperately needs to refine another couple of thousand and so on, oh go on another couple of thousand wont make that much difference.
the caps 8000 a day and it aint changing, get used to it.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
and heres todays.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1245011
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You can refine 8500 per day on each toon with the fleet daily mining doff assignment.
There is another assignment for... I forget if subs or lifers only at SFA that iirc notches it up to 9k.
Aside from buying refined dilithium with zen, as far I know that is it.
One could argue that with all the dilithium sinks in the game now, raising the cap at least would be beneficial, but as others have mentioned this could have a deeply adverse affect on the zen/dilithium exchange.
Failing any new or upcoming information on this one FCT please forum overlords.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
It doesn't matter what they up the cap to. The costs are set according to the cap. Up the cap, up the costs. It'll still hit exactly the same time gates, but now you need more work to hit that cap.