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darthkuriboh
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So, I got a new tactical officer to 50, Frow a Klingon of course. I've been working on him for 2 days now and he's up to 50 and this is what I threw together with the EC's I have.' I love Raptor flying.
Long live the Empire!
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http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7006983
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A 5/2 weapon setup on a tactical ship is more than you could ask for. That's another DHC or DBB, or maybe even a torp to spice things up a little bit. You have five tactical consoles with the Mat'ha and five forward weapons. It's honestly all you could ask for in a raptor (besides a 6/1 setup. But then again, Klingon's don't need aft weapons, 7/0 ftw).
What Chez said. Also, you aren't using your aft weapons on your current setup anyway, so I don't see how it's a problem. :rolleyes:
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If you aren't killing it on your first pass, then either your build needs help, or whoever your fighting's ship is built better which brings us back to point one.
I suggest posting your entire build here:
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/
It could help us help you.
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One of my science consoles isn't listed on the skill planner. I have the exotic particle field exciter mk xii but it's not in the program
Sorry if this turns into a wall of text.
Well the first thing I would recommend is dropping one of the dual beam banks and replacing it with another dual heavy cannon. I would also replace the beam: fire at will 3 with a beam: overload 3. I would also replace the aft beam arrays with turrets. If you're really worried about other ships being on your 6, then I would recommend mines and replace one of your lieutenant tac abilities with a dispersal pattern beta 1. I would then switch either of your lieutenant tac abilities with your attack pattern delta 2. Next switch your beam target shields 1 with another tac team. Another problem that you have is that your only heals are 1 decent hull heal, 1 weak shield heal (assuming you run low aux power), and 1 "oh sh** button" that will quickly run out leaving you defenseless. I would recommend getting the 3 parts of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies set from the mission A Step Between Stars until you can get better equipment, namely a fleet shield. Your warp core and consoles could be better, but they're good enough for anything that you'll need to do.
Basically this is what I would recommend with all the above changes:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=bjgfvrhscgxbgdf_0
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I'm working on the rest. Right now watching my cowboys game lmao
You're right, I haven't pvp'd much outside of Ker'rat. And you're right, most of those ships can get behind you if you let them. And you're once again right about the old raptors being borderline useless. But if you truly think that the Mat'Ha is going to have the same problem, you must not have been paying attention to its special console. If your target can't move, their higher turn rate doesn't mean sh**. Add in the Qib's T5 mastery trait, and you can keep up with them anyways.
If you're going to play like that, why bother with raptors? Battlecruisers do that waaaay better.
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Well, I guess I just don't know how to help you then. Perhaps someone who's better than me will come along and provide better help. My only other idea (and one that I don't think is very good) is to try to turn the Mat'Ha into an aux2bat beam boat. It might work decently, but again, battlecruisers would be far more capable in this role.
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I think your panic is exaggerated. The new Raptor will do fine, as pointed out in the discussion that you were a part of here, Page 7 onwards.
There's a point that once you get the proper gear, reputation, etc., that the turn rate advantages aren't as big a deal as they once were, especially if things are going to hold up with DR with all the talk there is on it.
Hell, right now, you can use a part of the BOPs situation. Excluding the outright weakness of BOP sturdiness, look at the BOP turn rates. On average, all BOPs have excellent turn in the 20's. But even right now, in today's game before DR's release, it's turn rate advantage is heavily negated. With Escorts, Battlecruisers, TAC Cruisers running all kinds of different things to greatly increase turn, speed, etc., the BOP is no longer special in being elusive.
Sure, the BOP can do the same, but it's not as big an advantage over the rest.
What I'm saying is, everything right now is moving at ridiculous speeds and maneuverability. And from all the talk of DR, it's only going to get much, much stronger in that regard. There's also the point that you can start turning too much and overturn, overshoot. So you do have to reign it in. But, traditionally slower ships will get an even bigger boost out of this to do things that they weren't capable of before.
In short, the divide of higher maneuverability is going to be lessened.
DR will be cheap "annoyance" spam, just like the Voth. Chalk it up to weak game enemy design.
Not talking about Speed Tanking. That has long been a staple of effective defense and I never refuted that.
What I am refuting is our current standard that Turn Rate is so critical now, but given some time after DR, it's not going to be as much. It will be easier to get more turn, but the gains will be more noticeable for the generally slower ships. What has been alluded to in the PVP forums is that there comes a point when you can have too much turn. Hell, you can see that now with the BOPs.
And barely anyone flies the current Raptors because they're that: Raptors. In the scope of everything that is an Escort, Destroyer these days, there is still nothing special about the current crop of Pre-DR Raptors. To this day I never saw the allure of them. The Fleet Raptors now never had anything special to them when the Fleet System came out, and there's still nothing special about them now. The Mirror Sommraw's firepower is average in today's scope of high powered Escorts. The only allure of the M.Sommraw is the high Science BOFF count. The Fleet Sommraw would have been good. In 2010.
When the Fleet Ship system released, there were some that did pick the Fleet Sommraw. But now? Rare. I find more people flying Bortasqu's then I do Raptors.
Statistically, I find that our current, Pre-DR Raptors can barely even compete with the ancient, 9 Console C-Store Defiant, MVAE, Akira. And I'm one to say those are still better. There is no redeeming quality to current Raptors and I see no reason to go fly them.
But with the changes to DR, the big firepower of the T6 Raptor, that may change. We shall see.
Which comes back to the original point I made
The divide in turn rates, maneuverability is going to dwindle in DR, most esp when people start unlocking their stuff.
You're thinking in today's mechanics. And what you say is correct.
But DR is going to change it drastically. We have guys testing it, experienced PVP'ers, already saying that the divide in how something so nimble between higher turn rate Escorts to one with "only" 15 is negligible. It's a different ballgame with DR, more so than any other update and expansion we've had in STO.
5/3 or 4/4 enters the area of the cruisers as far as STO is concerned, so that'd be too much for a raptor.
It's all down to personal preference, but as a Kumari user I can tell you that the 5/2 confing is not bad at all, especially for PvE. And like others mentioned, if you're loking to protect your rear on a 5/2 or 4/2 (BoP) ship, mines can be the answer. Especially web-mines and such.
Ok, so take the following I'm going to say with a grain of salt. STO is very chill, so min-maxing is not necessary in most cases and if you find a setup that works for you and you have fun using - than that's it, nothing more is needed.
That said, I do feel you're losing a lot of potential on that raptor due to the setup. What I'd personally recommend is going with 3 DHC (or 2DHC/1DBB) + 1 Torp front and 3 turrets rear. Most the PvE is quite static and you could probably outmaneuver with a Qin, this way you have full frontal power from all the weapons.
Or if you do want to circle things like you mentioned (I can certainly understand not wanting to bother with getting things in DHC arcs all the time, that's why I like the Fed cruisers), then it's better to go with a full beam setup + 1 torp. That way you'll circle targets with full weapons potential once again. Currently you're losing out both on the frontal and on the circling. Because when you circle, you almost immedialtely lose the 2 DHCs and probably even the DBBs after a while most of the time until you re-allign. And on the frontal attack you're losing the 3 rear beam arrays.
Also, just my humble recommendation for the Boff powers as well - first of all, drop the sybsytem attack. Totally not worth it and as a raptor captain I doubt you have invested much skill points in the skill that somewhat improves that. It's just something for sci.ships to compensate the lack of tactical Boff powers. I'd also drop the tractor beam cause it's only usefull to hold sth. in a frontal arc and your current setup is not utilizing the frontal arc. Hazard emitters on the other hand are a necessity and I'd swap those two. Having 2 tactical teams is also important.
This is my current setup for my Qin just as comparison:
Fore: 3 DHC + Torp
Aft: 3 Turrets
T1: TT/CRF/APB/APO
T2: TT/CRF(CSV)
T3: TS
E1: ET/RSP
S1: TSS/HE
It could also work well with 1 DBB inetad of 1 DHC fore and BO instead of one CRF now that they made BO have 100% crit chance.