i also run a reman in a ambassador, strictly support only, no dps, just healing support alone. i dont suppose that would get me through the stf because the healing could be seen as a form damage due to the numbers? :P i could run a rainbow configuration on that if i wanted.
Sorry, if you think just healing is enough in an STF you need some instruction. Even 3 torpedo launchers and 3 polaron turrets would provide some dps and some drain in an STF, saving your tac team for use on allies.
Sorry, if you think just healing is enough in an STF you need some instruction. Even 3 torpedo launchers and 3 polaron turrets would provide some dps and some drain in an STF, saving your tac team for use on allies.
guess i had that coming :P. but ive been around long enough to know, just never ran a heal boat because if i start focusing on attack power, i would have to adjust my targeting and auto fire settings, if i did that i couldnt hold target on an ally until the next volley of fire comes and the game searches for a target of the most threat to my ship. however i adjust those settings for healing, i wouldnt have much ability to focus on firing on an enemy and taking damage as well.
so if i were to think about it long enough if i just did one or the other? but yeah, its not a discussion for this thread nor was i looking to hijack it but i did ask and as i stated, i had it coming.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I am going to build a beam rainboat someday, it is pretty looking and I like having an excuse for it *snickers* First time I truly did a rainbowboat was with my Vesta using Aux phaser cannons up front and three different color phaser turrets in the back.
Thats how i level-up, just use whatever drops/cheap on exchange.
Rain-bow cruiser and skittles escorts (also with dhc/dc mixed) looks great !!
well... smart people know this already. dumb people are dumb and are never going to understand.
and elitist never listen. while a single dmg type rainbow boat is viable it's not optimal. so they will still whine about it.
That's what I'm seeing especially in PVE. I dunno how well it works in PVP but in PVE it's awesome. you get multiple debuffs if you do it right as well! I personally use a combination of 3 of the reputation sets with their special weapons, I use enough of the sets to give bonus to my weapons for each damage type so that it will improve my damage output, but I'm a disable ship, my science ship is pretty much put together in such a way to disable a shield facing enough for the torps to do their thing at the right moment. It comes in handy in a crowd and against big bosses so I don't have do what these people do with the burst everything. I use the proton, plasma, borg, and antiproton. What's nice is most of these experimental weapons really don't drain power at all while firing so my uptime on weapon power is much higher than even if I were on all a single weapon type.
I then put 2 torps up front, the rom plasma and the borg plasma so that I can maximize efficiency. The slow ones generally protect me from projectiles like those from the 8472 ships and the faster ones can cause the enemie ships to become confused while I'm attacking them so they placate, my beam weapons make far off enemies often not see me because of ISIS.
So it works out. I've recently been experimenting with the idea of using the M.A.C.O. set for increased speed because of the 8472 slow effects I'll see how it goes, right now I'm using the Dyson set for instant shield rebuilding if one gets a lucky shot.
My sci ship is mostly energy drain and holds for skills.
I got raged at the other day because my cruiser had beams of various colours, well hasn't it ocurred that weapons have multiple colours now.
My cruiser has all high end phasers however they were of various sub types: Standard (yellow) Biomatter (Blue) and TierBox Bio (Green) yet they are all phasers and i use purple XI phaser boosters.
So guys, remember don't assume people are using a rainbow boat now that many weapon sub types are of differing colour now.
Thanks.
I am already planning on a "rainbow ship" similar to yours.
I'm calling it the "Skittle Special"... and I will be taking it into eSTFs.
Bon't bother if someone tries to dictate you to change your weapon colours to a single one
Ignore the control freaks
(Heck, during undine infiltration one of them tried to tell me that i don't have to use my TR-rifle there ... within the first few seconds after beaming in.... before the shield dropped, i kept the rifle equipped of course, that guy whispered me 25-30 times each time angrier and angrier that i have to change my weapon, which i found quite amusing also because he died 4 times during the mission, he was the only one who died in that STF)
so he was telling you to switch from a weapon with what, 100% shield penetration? hello, stupid.
Haha I do something similar, though I have the Romulan experimental beam array (it uses ZERO power) and the Photonic beam weapon thingy for the set bonus of additional crit. It works excellent, rainboats for all!!!!
Here are some things I have noticed about 'elite' players:
1. They spend too much time obsessing over the optional objectives as if it's the end of the world if the team fails them.
2. They call the whole team noobs despite the fact they die more often than the rest of the team.
3. They spend too much time sitting outside the combat area whinning in team chat rather than actually taking part and threatening to report everyone
If there are anymore trends please post them...
Don't forget complaining about a failed optional and bailing out but doing absolutely nothing to prevent the optional from failing in the first place. Nothing like an "elitist" with blinders on...
Elitists aren't the problem. Its the wanna be elitists who are too dumb to ever be elitists, but will still impose their false assumptions about how elites are supposed to be equipped and play.
I call folks like this VOOBS: Veteran Noobs.
They think they know enough to trash talk others, but really can't cut it yet themselves.
Here are some things I have noticed about 'elite' players:
1. They spend too much time obsessing over the optional objectives as if it's the end of the world if the team fails them.
2. They call the whole team noobs despite the fact they die more often than the rest of the team.
3. They spend too much time sitting outside the combat area whinning in team chat rather than actually taking part and threatening to report everyone
If there are anymore trends please post them...
1) I will say that it is does get frustrating when simple missions like the Cure and Infected (missions that have been the same for the better part of two years) optionals are blown because someone is a yahoo showing off and blows the Cube/generator up before the other pug players have been able to put a fair amount of damage on the other targets first, especially after the group has said from the get-go for everyone to wait. To a certain extent, the frustration can be justified, but not to the point of name calling.
2) Would I call them "noobs"? No. There a some "noobs" who really don't know (but don't listen to others) that do it, but more often than not, it's the "Elite" guys who are thinking that everyone has 25k+ dps like they do that do it. As far as dying more, I know when the scenario above happens, I have to get fairly risky to try to recover the optional, and that does create a higher chance of getting my ship blown up.
3) The whining is pretty bad by sometime. I usually mention that pugs work better when a the two cubes are taken down at the same time/ the generators all get dropped to 10% before someone blows one up.
As far as rainbow ships go, I don't really care, as long as they can hold up thier side of the bargain.
As far as people picking on phasers, support role ships, like some cruisers can be very useful with phasers to disable systems (albeit the disable system has been nerfed, understandably, to an extent). The big damage dealers tend to not get much out of them and I wouldn't recommend them as a first choice, but most of the damage dealt isn't because of the type of energy anyways (unless there is a certain resistance to them), so its not a biggie anyways.
so he was telling you to switch from a weapon with what, 100% shield penetration? hello, stupid.
Undine don't have shields, just HP.
Doesn't make the other guy not an idiot, but the shield penetration isn't the issue.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
haters always gonna hate... it's the mare-sad truth...
but meh.. you wanna fly a rainbow color phaser boat... go for it... you are in all your right... n like many said... many types your dps comes on top the ones hating you... so just be you..
Same goes for when you go right instead of left in ISE...
On one hand people running their mouths about 'the right way' are often jerks. On the other hand, building a ship intentionally to start fights with such people, why? What ever happened to "be excellent to each other" ?
...and then I silently chuckle to myself when my Fleet Nebula finishes an ISE Elite or Cure Elite(with optionals), is the only ship that -didn't- get destroyed, AND kept my team's ships from being blown up more...yeah, I top out at 3,400 dps, but there's still something to be said for efficient crowd control and healing/repairing....right?
On one hand people running their mouths about 'the right way' are often jerks. On the other hand, building a ship intentionally to start fights with such people, why? What ever happened to "be excellent to each other" ?
Oh... i got it! It was so obvious!
Both are Tellarites!
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Don't forget complaining about a failed optional and bailing out but doing absolutely nothing to prevent the optional from failing in the first place. Nothing like an "elitist" with blinders on...
That's not an "elitist". What he described there my friend, is called a "f..k wit".
Far less colors though. Otherwise I'd make a diruptor feignbowboat in a heartbeat. Most of the disruptor flavors are some variation of green or lime green. Phasers have much more contrast.
IMO a truly 'elite' player will be able to recognize that all of the weapons are phasers based on their firing SFX and VFX alone. If they don't have that memorized then they are unworthy of being called elite by themselves or others. They may still disagree on the choice of phasers as an energy type due to the proc, but they should at least recognize it's all the same energy type boosted by one console type. If they can't, then they're fakers/posers.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
...and then I silently chuckle to myself when my Fleet Nebula finishes an ISE Elite or Cure Elite(with optionals), is the only ship that -didn't- get destroyed, AND kept my team's ships from being blown up more...yeah, I top out at 3,400 dps, but there's still something to be said for efficient crowd control and healing/repairing....right?
I've seen more than a couple STF Elites fail (either optionals or the whole thing) because of people who focus on their own personal DPS score to the detriment of actually paying attention to what's going on.
As a case in point: a bunch of low-DPS cruisers can do Infected Space because they will not take down one of the generators much sooner than the others, and one of those ships is bound to have repulsor beams. A bunch of high-DPS players in escorts don't have a problem, because they'll take the whole assembly out before the nanites get a chance to get near (or in the case of one pug, watching a Scimitar take out the transformer itself without even bothering with the generators).
The problem comes when you've got one or more lower-DPS ships, and one noob (yes, noob) in a high-DPS escort, who doesn't take stock of what the other ships are, doesn't ask about the other team such as "Can anyone repulse?", doesn't keep tabs on the other team's generator progress, pops their own generator real fast, then sits there complaining while they're surrounded by Spheres and their glass hull is blown to bits.
Noobs come in all shapes and sizes, and I don't care what someone's DPS is, I care about team style!
Heal/Disable boat though. Having that GravWell, Rift, Plasma, Aceton, Viral Matrix.
You can just lock down a gate or tac cube and they'll never scratch anybody. Let the rest of the team do the dps'n.
If he uses GW, TR etc. it will take away from healing, so I would not recommend that if he wants to heal. Just slot 6 weapons that are not super dependent on weapon power. That is why so many sci captains use torp boats.
2) Would I call them "noobs"? No. There a some "noobs" who really don't know (but don't listen to others) that do it, but more often than not, it's the "Elite" guys who are thinking that everyone has 25k+ dps like they do that do it. As far as dying more, I know when the scenario above happens, I have to get fairly risky to try to recover the optional, and that does create a higher chance of getting my ship blown up.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Here are some things I have noticed about 'elite' players:
1. They spend too much time obsessing over the optional objectives as if it's the end of the world if the team fails them.
2. They call the whole team noobs despite the fact they die more often than the rest of the team.
3. They spend too much time sitting outside the combat area whinning in team chat rather than actually taking part and threatening to report everyone
If there are anymore trends please post them...
We used to get pissed off at noobs when the optional actually gave you something valuable. And elitists didnt get pissed off if you just sat there, or if you had a rainbow boat. I have never seen a 5k+ dps player ever complain at someone for doing low dps. In fact it was the high dps noobs that were the problem.
The only way you could TRIBBLE off a real elite player in ISE was to blow a generator while other generators were near full health.
Now neither I nor anyone in ESTFS seems to lose their temper when the Optional is failed or both sides spawn at the same time.
I can't even remember what the Optional reward was, but it was something valuable a few years ago.
The first time i ran ISE I blew the generator. I got yelled at. I asked what I did wrong. Someone told me. I never did it again. Noobs are people that do it over and over and over....
As someone who has managed a 9.5k DPS parse in a TRUE rainbow boat..... I can unequivocally tell you that if a rainbow boat sucks, then it's the player that sucks, and not the rainbow setup itself.
I ran a rainboat as well, one has to if one wants to use the Proton Experimental Weapon. I mean I have 2 tac slots one of which is the Undine Counter Command Ordinance Tac console, that does boost energy weapons, but more photon and radiantion damage.
My Armament is Gravimetric Photon Torp, Biomolecular Photon Torp, Experimental Proton Weapon, Fleet Disuptor Cannon, in the front, and the Biomolecular Heavy Disruptor Turret, two Biomolecular Photon Mines launchers, and a Fleet Disuptor Turret.
I also have the full Dyson Space Set, Protonic Arsonal Set, and Undind Counter Command Ordinance Set, and I'm trying to figure out how to add the upcoming Delta Alliance Ordinace set as well, so I can get the Isothingy Cannon set power to my ship.
I also use Elite Slavers, Elite Interceptors, and Elite Armoured Marauding Force Shuttles on my Fleet Corsair when I'm in the mood, oh and I'm a tac captain in a Fleet Corsair which I'm told is a bad mix.
I also have the Disruptor Point Defence console.
It probably sounds horrible, but the way I have it now it rocks against ths Voth and Undine, which is my prefered content. Its a weird rainbow boat.
But I get some cool set bonuses and powers, like the Protonic sneeze, the Heavy Turret Barrage.
I also am a good tank, I have 3 shield heals, and 2 hull heals from Boff powers and another shield heal that's natural to my Dyson Hyper Shields. My boff heals are Enigeering Team II, AuX2SI, Transfer Shield Strength, Emergency power to shields, and Reverse Shield Polarity III. I also have a plan to shake up my boffs slots to boost that to Enigeering Team III, Science Team instead of Transfer Shield Strength (it conflicts with feedback pulse), dump AUX2SI, add Hazard Emitters (I have 2 purple doffs for Enigeering Team).
I'm sure alot of people would tell me I'm doing it wrong, but my ship does fine and its fun.,
I remember one time in an Spire Elite, that i got complains for my "rainbow boat", it was equiped with photonic polarons, phased polarons and one set of dominion polaron... i never got destroyed, mind you...
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Sorry, if you think just healing is enough in an STF you need some instruction. Even 3 torpedo launchers and 3 polaron turrets would provide some dps and some drain in an STF, saving your tac team for use on allies.
guess i had that coming :P. but ive been around long enough to know, just never ran a heal boat because if i start focusing on attack power, i would have to adjust my targeting and auto fire settings, if i did that i couldnt hold target on an ally until the next volley of fire comes and the game searches for a target of the most threat to my ship. however i adjust those settings for healing, i wouldnt have much ability to focus on firing on an enemy and taking damage as well.
so if i were to think about it long enough if i just did one or the other? but yeah, its not a discussion for this thread nor was i looking to hijack it but i did ask and as i stated, i had it coming.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You can just lock down a gate or tac cube and they'll never scratch anybody. Let the rest of the team do the dps'n.
Thats how i level-up, just use whatever drops/cheap on exchange.
Rain-bow cruiser and skittles escorts (also with dhc/dc mixed) looks great !!
lol
1/2 - slash, 11/22 - stun, 12/21 - heavy slash, 122 - impale, 121 - spin, 211 - rake & 112/221 - chop
That's what I'm seeing especially in PVE. I dunno how well it works in PVP but in PVE it's awesome. you get multiple debuffs if you do it right as well! I personally use a combination of 3 of the reputation sets with their special weapons, I use enough of the sets to give bonus to my weapons for each damage type so that it will improve my damage output, but I'm a disable ship, my science ship is pretty much put together in such a way to disable a shield facing enough for the torps to do their thing at the right moment. It comes in handy in a crowd and against big bosses so I don't have do what these people do with the burst everything. I use the proton, plasma, borg, and antiproton. What's nice is most of these experimental weapons really don't drain power at all while firing so my uptime on weapon power is much higher than even if I were on all a single weapon type.
I then put 2 torps up front, the rom plasma and the borg plasma so that I can maximize efficiency. The slow ones generally protect me from projectiles like those from the 8472 ships and the faster ones can cause the enemie ships to become confused while I'm attacking them so they placate, my beam weapons make far off enemies often not see me because of ISIS.
So it works out. I've recently been experimenting with the idea of using the M.A.C.O. set for increased speed because of the 8472 slow effects I'll see how it goes, right now I'm using the Dyson set for instant shield rebuilding if one gets a lucky shot.
My sci ship is mostly energy drain and holds for skills.
I am already planning on a "rainbow ship" similar to yours.
I'm calling it the "Skittle Special"... and I will be taking it into eSTFs.
so he was telling you to switch from a weapon with what, 100% shield penetration? hello, stupid.
this is maybe a bad idea http://www.greenpeace.org/international/PageFiles/24233/rainbow-warrior-sunk-by-two-u.jpg
Don't forget complaining about a failed optional and bailing out but doing absolutely nothing to prevent the optional from failing in the first place. Nothing like an "elitist" with blinders on...
I call folks like this VOOBS: Veteran Noobs.
They think they know enough to trash talk others, but really can't cut it yet themselves.
Cheers!
1) I will say that it is does get frustrating when simple missions like the Cure and Infected (missions that have been the same for the better part of two years) optionals are blown because someone is a yahoo showing off and blows the Cube/generator up before the other pug players have been able to put a fair amount of damage on the other targets first, especially after the group has said from the get-go for everyone to wait. To a certain extent, the frustration can be justified, but not to the point of name calling.
2) Would I call them "noobs"? No. There a some "noobs" who really don't know (but don't listen to others) that do it, but more often than not, it's the "Elite" guys who are thinking that everyone has 25k+ dps like they do that do it. As far as dying more, I know when the scenario above happens, I have to get fairly risky to try to recover the optional, and that does create a higher chance of getting my ship blown up.
3) The whining is pretty bad by sometime. I usually mention that pugs work better when a the two cubes are taken down at the same time/ the generators all get dropped to 10% before someone blows one up.
As far as rainbow ships go, I don't really care, as long as they can hold up thier side of the bargain.
As far as people picking on phasers, support role ships, like some cruisers can be very useful with phasers to disable systems (albeit the disable system has been nerfed, understandably, to an extent). The big damage dealers tend to not get much out of them and I wouldn't recommend them as a first choice, but most of the damage dealt isn't because of the type of energy anyways (unless there is a certain resistance to them), so its not a biggie anyways.
Undine don't have shields, just HP.
Doesn't make the other guy not an idiot, but the shield penetration isn't the issue.
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haters always gonna hate... it's the mare-sad truth...
but meh.. you wanna fly a rainbow color phaser boat... go for it... you are in all your right... n like many said... many types your dps comes on top the ones hating you... so just be you..
Same goes for when you go right instead of left in ISE...
lolz
Oh... i got it! It was so obvious!
Both are Tellarites!
They tend to claim hacks when the person they were raging at for being a rainboat out performs their "perfect" buiild.
That's not an "elitist". What he described there my friend, is called a "f..k wit".
I like this.. I'm going to call my rainbow phaser boat this from now on.
Far less colors though.
IMO a truly 'elite' player will be able to recognize that all of the weapons are phasers based on their firing SFX and VFX alone. If they don't have that memorized then they are unworthy of being called elite by themselves or others. They may still disagree on the choice of phasers as an energy type due to the proc, but they should at least recognize it's all the same energy type boosted by one console type. If they can't, then they're fakers/posers.
Joined January 2009
I've seen more than a couple STF Elites fail (either optionals or the whole thing) because of people who focus on their own personal DPS score to the detriment of actually paying attention to what's going on.
As a case in point: a bunch of low-DPS cruisers can do Infected Space because they will not take down one of the generators much sooner than the others, and one of those ships is bound to have repulsor beams. A bunch of high-DPS players in escorts don't have a problem, because they'll take the whole assembly out before the nanites get a chance to get near (or in the case of one pug, watching a Scimitar take out the transformer itself without even bothering with the generators).
The problem comes when you've got one or more lower-DPS ships, and one noob (yes, noob) in a high-DPS escort, who doesn't take stock of what the other ships are, doesn't ask about the other team such as "Can anyone repulse?", doesn't keep tabs on the other team's generator progress, pops their own generator real fast, then sits there complaining while they're surrounded by Spheres and their glass hull is blown to bits.
Noobs come in all shapes and sizes, and I don't care what someone's DPS is, I care about team style!
If he uses GW, TR etc. it will take away from healing, so I would not recommend that if he wants to heal. Just slot 6 weapons that are not super dependent on weapon power. That is why so many sci captains use torp boats.
http://thorgolucky.com/humor/Ctl-Alt-Del_-_newb_vs._noob.jpg
Joined January 2009
We used to get pissed off at noobs when the optional actually gave you something valuable. And elitists didnt get pissed off if you just sat there, or if you had a rainbow boat. I have never seen a 5k+ dps player ever complain at someone for doing low dps. In fact it was the high dps noobs that were the problem.
The only way you could TRIBBLE off a real elite player in ISE was to blow a generator while other generators were near full health.
Now neither I nor anyone in ESTFS seems to lose their temper when the Optional is failed or both sides spawn at the same time.
I can't even remember what the Optional reward was, but it was something valuable a few years ago.
The first time i ran ISE I blew the generator. I got yelled at. I asked what I did wrong. Someone told me. I never did it again. Noobs are people that do it over and over and over....
Oh and I love "feignbow" setups. :P
My character Tsin'xing
My Armament is Gravimetric Photon Torp, Biomolecular Photon Torp, Experimental Proton Weapon, Fleet Disuptor Cannon, in the front, and the Biomolecular Heavy Disruptor Turret, two Biomolecular Photon Mines launchers, and a Fleet Disuptor Turret.
I also have the full Dyson Space Set, Protonic Arsonal Set, and Undind Counter Command Ordinance Set, and I'm trying to figure out how to add the upcoming Delta Alliance Ordinace set as well, so I can get the Isothingy Cannon set power to my ship.
I also use Elite Slavers, Elite Interceptors, and Elite Armoured Marauding Force Shuttles on my Fleet Corsair when I'm in the mood, oh and I'm a tac captain in a Fleet Corsair which I'm told is a bad mix.
I also have the Disruptor Point Defence console.
It probably sounds horrible, but the way I have it now it rocks against ths Voth and Undine, which is my prefered content. Its a weird rainbow boat.
But I get some cool set bonuses and powers, like the Protonic sneeze, the Heavy Turret Barrage.
I also am a good tank, I have 3 shield heals, and 2 hull heals from Boff powers and another shield heal that's natural to my Dyson Hyper Shields. My boff heals are Enigeering Team II, AuX2SI, Transfer Shield Strength, Emergency power to shields, and Reverse Shield Polarity III. I also have a plan to shake up my boffs slots to boost that to Enigeering Team III, Science Team instead of Transfer Shield Strength (it conflicts with feedback pulse), dump AUX2SI, add Hazard Emitters (I have 2 purple doffs for Enigeering Team).
I'm sure alot of people would tell me I'm doing it wrong, but my ship does fine and its fun.,
It is a ship that is using phasers or disruptors of different colors. The base damage is of the same type but the colors are different.