D7 upgrade to K'tinga - what was involved/upgraded?

goodscotch

What did canon Trek say were the upgrades to the D7 to make it into a K'tinga?

kdfrulzfeddroolz

goodscotch wrote: »

What did canon Trek say were the upgrades to the D7 to make it into a K'tinga?

Memory Alpha has the canon answers you seek.

The Battle Cruisers were actually two different ships, the D7 was an older cruiser that was replaced by the more advanced design of the K't'inga, just like the Constitution class was eventually replaced by the Excelsior class.

People mistake the D7 and K't'inga as the same ship since they share a similar silhouette and general layout, however this is incorrect, just as it would be a mistake to assume that since the Constitution and Excelsior share a common aesthetic they are the same ship.

The Klingons simply kept upgrading all of the ships systems, especially the weaponry, allowing the vessel to remain a formidable adversary. The K't'inga-class cruiser proved to be such a rugged, sturdy design that it saw continuous use as a front line ship for almost a century.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D7_class

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/K't'inga_class

If you want all the specifics on types of weapons and such, Memory Alpha has all the details. Hope that helps!

artan42

It's most likely the same ship upgraded in the same way the Constitution was between TOS and TMP. There is even an intermediate design (D7 shaped but with K't'inga detailing and green colour, in DS9s tribble episode).

Also D7 is likely the Federation designation for the K't'inga, when it appeared in VOY it was the refit design.

misterde3

kdfrulzfeddroolz wrote: »

Memory Alpha has the canon answers you seek.

The Battle Cruisers were actually two different ships, the D7 was an older cruiser that was replaced by the more advanced design of the K't'inga, just like the Constitution class was eventually replaced by the Excelsior class.

People mistake the D7 and K't'inga as the same ship since they share a similar silhouette and general layout, however this is incorrect, just as it would be a mistake to assume that since the Constitution and Excelsior share a common aesthetic they are the same ship.

The Klingons simply kept upgrading all of the ships systems, especially the weaponry, allowing the vessel to remain a formidable adversary. The K't'inga-class cruiser proved to be such a rugged, sturdy design that it saw continuous use as a front line ship for almost a century.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D7_class

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/K't'inga_class

If you want all the specifics on types of weapons and such, Memory Alpha has all the details. Hope that helps!

Actually I wouldn't go so far as to say that it has canon answers.
If you read up a bit about their articles and the way they write them in their discussion boards you'll see that what's written on Mem Alpha are their interpretations of canon.
Two examples regarding Klingons ships:

In the Enterprise episode "Sleeping Dogs" we're introduced to the Klingon Raptor class where we see one of these ships trapped in the upper atmosphere of a gas giant.
In that episode it's referred to a "scout vessel". Several episodes later in the episode "Marauders" Archer says: "We helped pull one of their battle cruisers from a gas giant."
So the interpretation the people on Mem Alpha came up with was...the Raptor is now a "light battle cruiser". That doesn't make it a fact.

The other comes from the Voyager episode "Prophecy" where a Klingon battle cruiser attacks Voyager.
We only see SFX scenes of the ship firing topedoes at Voyager.
However in one scene Tuvok is able to idnetify the constantly cloaking and decloaking ship as a Klingon one due to a disruptor blast.
Now there are at least two possible explanations for this.

Mine: The disruptor blast was fired offscreen. This would also explain why they weren't identified as Klingons in the first two seconds of the battle. They just hadn't used their disruptors up to that point but only torpedoes.
Mem Alpha's: The torpedo-shaped things fired from the torpedo tube are disruptor blasts.

The fact that one of them is on Mem Alpha doesn't make it canon.
Never forget to think for yourself.;)

goodscotch

kdfrulzfeddroolz wrote: »

Memory Alpha has the canon answers you seek.

The Battle Cruisers were actually two different ships, the D7 was an older cruiser that was replaced by the more advanced design of the K't'inga, just like the Constitution class was eventually replaced by the Excelsior class.

People mistake the D7 and K't'inga as the same ship since they share a similar silhouette and general layout, however this is incorrect, just as it would be a mistake to assume that since the Constitution and Excelsior share a common aesthetic they are the same ship.

The Klingons simply kept upgrading all of the ships systems, especially the weaponry, allowing the vessel to remain a formidable adversary. The K't'inga-class cruiser proved to be such a rugged, sturdy design that it saw continuous use as a front line ship for almost a century.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D7_class

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/K't'inga_class

If you want all the specifics on types of weapons and such, Memory Alpha has all the details. Hope that helps!

Thanks for the links. Very useful!

lordmalak1

They are the same ship, the K'Tinga is a much more modernized version of the D7. There are many non-canonical explanations of the differences but it's mostly internal structure strengthening and equipment updates. I wouldn't rely on wiki to point out the canon explanations of the differences because it was mostly just paint to make it more attractive on-screen.

anotherdemon

I can't remember them specifically saying anything, other than showing us onscreen the differences, which is a big part of the equation.

-D7 has fired the magnetic pulses from its bow mount, in addition to torps (red in TOS and green in Voyager); disruptor bolts from its wings; prototype stasis beam for one ship of the class

-K'tinga has fired torps and disruptor beams from its bow mount; disruptor bolts and green beams from its wings

-the visual differences

I think that's pretty much what has been shown.