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The T5U Guramba deserves better.
dknight0001
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The Garumba is one of our best Escorts, despite not being Klingon and not having a Cloak.
And it really deserved to have a Fleet version, but I realise that ship has sailed. I always thought it would get a Fleet version when the Galaxy X got it's version.
So what I would like is for the Garumba to cost 1 FSM and 1 SUT and become an 11 Console Fleet level T5U.
The Current stats for the T5U Guramba Siege Destroyer are
3 Engineering Consoles - 2 Science Consoles - 5 Tactical Consoles
+2.5% Accuracy
+15% Critical Severity
+2.5% Critical Chance
+10% Kinetic Damage
+10% All Energy Damage
This sees the addition of a 5th Tactical Console. I suggest because this is a heavy Destroyer that it gets a 4th Engineering Console as well and of course the bonus 10% to Hull and Shields. I think realistically a 3rd Sci Console would be better balanced but the 4th Eng Console seems right for this ship.
I don't think this is an unreasonable request especially when every Federation vessel seems to have a T5 and a Fleet version with a few exceptions.
*FSM = Fleet Ship Module, SUT = Ship Upgrade Token. The cost of the T5U Garumba would be roughly $10 more but both items would be available from the exchange. Also upgrading a ship to Fleet then to FT5U costs $10. And yes this means you don't need a Starbase to get it but Cryptic let that ship sail.
So what say you my fellow KDF Captains and Admirals does the Guramba deserve what I ask?
And it really deserved to have a Fleet version, but I realise that ship has sailed. I always thought it would get a Fleet version when the Galaxy X got it's version.
So what I would like is for the Garumba to cost 1 FSM and 1 SUT and become an 11 Console Fleet level T5U.
The Current stats for the T5U Guramba Siege Destroyer are
3 Engineering Consoles - 2 Science Consoles - 5 Tactical Consoles
+2.5% Accuracy
+15% Critical Severity
+2.5% Critical Chance
+10% Kinetic Damage
+10% All Energy Damage
This sees the addition of a 5th Tactical Console. I suggest because this is a heavy Destroyer that it gets a 4th Engineering Console as well and of course the bonus 10% to Hull and Shields. I think realistically a 3rd Sci Console would be better balanced but the 4th Eng Console seems right for this ship.
I don't think this is an unreasonable request especially when every Federation vessel seems to have a T5 and a Fleet version with a few exceptions.
*FSM = Fleet Ship Module, SUT = Ship Upgrade Token. The cost of the T5U Garumba would be roughly $10 more but both items would be available from the exchange. Also upgrading a ship to Fleet then to FT5U costs $10. And yes this means you don't need a Starbase to get it but Cryptic let that ship sail.
So what say you my fellow KDF Captains and Admirals does the Guramba deserve what I ask?
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. 
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
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Since fleet is also upgradeable it's possible for this to happen. Or I'm just going crazy.
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I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
That's not that bad really, at least we now have additional ships with 5 Tac consoles besides the Bortasqu'.
Hopefully the new MaHa Raptor will have 5 tac.consoles as well.
Edit: I like how OP called it an "Escort", then posted it with the Destroyer specialization package.
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The Guramba has the exact same BOFFs and Consoles as the Patrol Escort. You fly it like an Escort, you gear it like an Escort.
Cruisers are well defined in this game, Battlecruisers are well defined, Sci Vessels are well defined, BoPs and Raptors (Escort with built in Cloak) too are well defined. But the line between Escorts and Destroyers does not appear to be well defined at all.
What makes a ship a Destroyer? The Vet ships are Destroyers, the Guramba is a Destroyer, there's a temporal Destroyer, the Adapted Destroyer, but the Aquarius is also considered a Destroyer.
I can describe the universal features of a Cruiser and Battlecruiser so easily.
Cruiser: No Dual Cannons, Engineering heavy, 4/4 weapons. slow turn rate, high hull.
Battlecruiser: Dual Cannons, Engineering Heavy 4/4 or 5/3 Weapons, Cloaking compatible, Faster turn rate, lower hull.
Small differences, but clearly defined by every Cruiser and Battlecruiser in the game. I'd go far as to say the Galaxy X with Saucer Separation and Antimatter Spread Consoles has the option to turn into a Battlecruiser.
If somebody can tell me the difference between as Escort and a Destroyer I'd love to know.
Edit:
I think all F/T5U and T6 Escorts/Raptors/Destroyers get 5 Tac Consoles, all F/T5U and T6 Cruiers and Battle Cruiser get 5 Eng Consoles and all F/T5U and T6 Sci vessels get 5 Sci Consoles. This excludes certain oddball ships, like the Scimitar which has 5 Tac Consoles in one varient and the Bortasq with 5 Tac Consoles.
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The differences at the beginning were few, but they're slowly coming into play. It should be noted that the Aquarius and Scourge are anomalous compared to the other Destroyers, including the Guramba. The Dyson Science Destroyers are oddballs, in that they're in general halfway between a pure Science Vessel and an actual Destroyer... and may in general perform better as the former.
First, Destroyers are incapable of using the Enhanced Inertial Dampener (the "U-Turn console") from the Hirogen escort.
Second, Destroyers are typically less agile than Escorts... the Guramba has the same turn rate as the Qin, but the Qin is slower than most Fed Escorts besides the Heavy Escort Carrier.
Third, Destroyers typically trade off their lower agility for some increased defenses (the Temporal Destroyer does so through its shield strength, the others tend to do so with hull strength).
Fourth, Destroyers frequently (but not always) have some kind of offensive advantage: Guramba has the integrated Siege Mode/Javelin, the Veteran Destroyers have the Dynamic Tactical System (and through it the Lotus weapons), the TSAD has Sensor Analysis, and the Nicor and Chel Grett have 4/4 weapons.
Fifth, the Starship Mastery package for Destroyers is fully offense-oriented, while the Escort package swaps out the +15% Crit Severity for +2.5% Defense.
Raptors aren't Escorts either. I'm wondering why you're applying a label to a ship that doesn't use that label in-game(except for NPCs)
Does it say "Destroyer" somewhere in its name? If so, it's a Destroyer. Yes, that's all there is to it. Easy-peasy. =D
It's a lot easier now actually with the addition of passive abilities that are different for Escorts, Destroyers, and Raptors.
You're welcome.
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the (new) real question is which ship doesnt (have 5 tac consoles now)?
its like what? 10-15 ships now?
thanks for the T-5U data
it has been added
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zftXJvd3jOWLOuP4NPRMFemqE9YcOr-8p8LCj3kCiV4/edit
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We've been waiting for 1.5-2 years. Don't tell us to be patient. Thanks.
Went ahead and bought a Ship Token off exchange and T5U'd it.
This ship is a Freakin' Chainsaw now! lol
Seriously 5 tac consoles with that lance?
Plus running 3DHC's plus a DBB, since Beam Overload doesn't drain weapons anymore.
Plus Crit Chance?
Plus Damage?
Plus Crit Severity?
Plus accuracy?
lol. Sure I wish it had a fleet version, but it's a very powerful ship, more now then it was. Don't really care about the +10% hull and shields as much as I'd like another console slot.
But, 10 is enough to fit all the important ones.
Running the CC set, heavy Turret, Hydro Compensator, Tactical relay (In that 5th Tac slot)
Jesus the crits outta that lance and BO3 constantly. Love the ship so much more now. And at least it does get a boost to hull from your level I had 54k last I looked, lvl 55 right now.
Haven't blown up yet but usually get fulla aggro on the Target as lance charges. But the specialization tree helps with that. Attack Pattern Expertise, back Her off, etc.
SOOOOO glad I hoped back in for a test run.
Deal with it.
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Since the winter 2012 I have heard Cryptic representatives claim that the Fleet Guramba is comming on at least 5 ocassions. I have heard Geko himself claim that on at least 3 podcasts I watched. Studios release entire games in the time span in which they're "working" on the Fleet Guramba. Hell, they themselves created and released STO in a shorter time interval that they've been "working" on the Fleet Guramba. With the average MMO lifespan of 5 to 7 years, when you're waiting for something for 2 years patience runs thin.
Therefore you have absolutely no moral ground to tell people to be patient. And take that tone down a notch unless you want people to consider your replies as flaming and trolling.
He should probably get a reprieve since he hasn't been around as long as we have. We've learned that pics or it didn't happen is basically the only governing philosophy one can have when dealing with anything Cryptic says about the KDF.
I still think we will see some more KDF fleet versions, likely with the next fleet holding. (Fleet TOILETS!!!)
/My opinion. Who knows.
It still remains one of the most unique ships, design wise in game IMO. I mean it doesn't separate, or pop something out. it transforms. lol
Becomes like a mini Deathstar.
Upgrade you get more hull, all damage Masteries, +1 Tac console.
You're dwelling far too much on what is merely someone's opinion. And one that is arguably benevolent to boot. There's too many instances that the devs lived up to their word in the past year for any of that to be too unbelievable. The very fact that I have to defend myself against you and none of you have to defend yourselves against me implies quite the opposite of your threat, in fact.
IMO, it is unreasonable to assume that STO is anywhere near the end of its lifespan, especially after Delta Rising. The continuous content updates, the attention to detail in IP-continuity, the sheer amount of celebrity voice acting that's showing up, an entire team of dedicated developers that listen to us, all built in an MMO that is based on a massively popular intellectual property. Granted, none of those facts alone are enough to claim that a game will have a long, life, but STO has them all.
Disagree if you want, but you should at least recognize why people think why you're disagreeing isn't justified.
It doesn't matter how long anyone has "been here".
Even if you've learned that "pics or it didn't happen", your position could still be swayed back to trust by the sheer number of times that the dev's words are actually coming to fruition. Despite all of the claims about how STO devs were apparently doubtful at best pre-LoR, wouldn't they have made up for it in the last year? And why would all the times, mind you the vast majority of times of the devs actually tell the truth be tossed away in favor of cherry picking the few times they "promised" things a while ago? Wouldn't you at least admit that they're turning around from empty promises to fulfilled?
And about the KDF, I'd predict that they'll never be as big as the Feds. Even if they were, it would be a grossly bad investment, as almost every main character of all TV series and movie are aligned with the Federation. They have long been the protagonist group of Star Trek, and protagonist characters have demonstrated to be better investments than otherwise. Even if that were untrue, Cryptic sees it that way too. I would LOVE to be proven wrong on that, however. I'm a KDF player too. If you're expecting more than that from the KDF, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with that.
And please, by all means ignore my posts if they anger you that much. My opinion isn't any more important than your own or anyone else's.
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Listen, I've seen you around, I know that you're not a bad dude. What I was saying is that you shouldn't yell at people (caps on forums = yelling), especially bolded and coloured to underline the point, which then in that format comes off as saying - "I'm telling you how it is and it is how I say it is". And to top it of with a nice little "Deal with it" that sounds very arrogant and in the manner you typed that last thoughts sounds like "STFU". And comes very close to sounding like flaming and trolling.
Like I was saying, I know that this wasn't your intention if I go by your previous posts on these forums. That's why I said to take it down a notch, because I'm sure you wouldn't want people to get the wrong impression.
I have no problem with your opinion, regardless if I happen to agree or disagree with it. I wasn't dwelling on the opinion, but rather how it was expressed to sound like you're conveying a well known fact, when in fact - it's just an opinion at this point in time.
I've been playing STO since 2011 and during my time here, I'd say that the devs are 50-50 when it comes to fulfilling promises or not. I've witnessed all of that myself. Many people would even go as far as saying that there's more percentage in the area of not fulfilling what they said.
You don't have to defend anything against me, I wasn't attacking your opinion. In fact more often than not I like to believe that the devs. will keep their word about stuff. I'm an optimist by nature. However when discussing a particular issue like this one here I have to be a realist and take the position of "I'll believe it when I see it", because "Fleet Guramba is just around the corner" has been done to death around here.
I never said STO is at the end of it's lifespan. I certainly hope not and don't think so, that's why I burned 60$ on it just few days ago for the new KDF ships.
What I was saying is that most MMOs (there are quite a few exceptions ofcourse - EQ, WoW, EVE...) have an average lifespan of 5 to 7 years before they start seeing their twilight fast. Considering that, waiting on something for 2 years is not a small period that can be brushed of as needing to be patient.
Again, I don't have issues with differing opinions. In a particular instance, you choose to look from one side of the coin and I choose from the other. That's ok as long as it's civil.
Ending posts with "Deal with it" is very arrogant and condescending. Don't do that - only forum trolls, blind fanbois and avid haters use that terminology and believe me, you don't want to be associated with neither of those groups.
But, reading their responses about what an ordeal it is, it's not just a copy paste. yet they pump out the number of Ships they did to be upgradeable. Makes it sound like it really is that easy. But not if the ship wasn't a top seller. (Even though some passives aren't working)
But look at the number of posts daily in the Fed Shipyards compared to here and Rom.
Feds make more money for them.
So I'm not holding my breath. I upgraded 2 Fed ships. But, I upgraded 5 KDF side. So that's where my love lies.
Fans of the ship always hoped for a fleet version. What would that have been?
+10% hull and shields, and Hopefully a 5th Tac console.
At least T5U gives us that extra hull, plus more damage all around, +1 tac.
So it's a win IMO.
if they do put out a fleet version, then yeah it'll be bonus Hull/Shield and console slot(Eng/Sci).
But at least we got this. lol
It got some love at least. Hell it coulda been left without an upgrade option like some others. Which would be a shame with what obviously went into it's design with the transformation and all. Wish all ships got that much. Nowadays your lucky to even get a signle Customization option.
hell KDF fleet ships don't even get a fleet skin option. At least none of the C-Store one's I buy and fleet do. Kar'Fi, etc.
Look at it this way then. "Fleet Gal-X is just around the corner" has been done to death. "Crafting revamp is just around the corner" has been done to death. "A decent Raptor is just around the corner" has been done to death. "ESD re-revamp is just around the corner" has been done to death. "Delta Quadrant is just around the corner" has been done to death. "Reputation revamp is just around the corner" has been done to death. "The Constellation class is just around the corner" has been done to death... shall I go on?
My point is, a lot of things that the devs told us would happen, that some of us believed, and that everyone else doubted would ever happen anything soon has in fact actually happened. I just don't understand why the Fleet Guramba should be any different.
Nah, you're right. That was inconsiderate of me to act out of frustration like that. Even when I'm talking as rationally as I can otherwise, there's no reason to add stuff like that.
Sorry.
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