says the supporter of aux2bat..........mind figuring out your position on this? cause im hearin two different things coming out of either side of your mouth ^.^
says the supporter of aux2bat..........mind figuring out your position on this? cause im hearin two different things coming out of either side of your mouth ^.^
Lol, yeah, drunk is kind of bipolar on game issues. Just move on.
Lol, another stupid nonsense grind. Not good, i can't stand this and... Oh wait... ArcheAge's out, Star Citizen will be mine soon...
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says the supporter of aux2bat..........mind figuring out your position on this? cause im hearin two different things coming out of either side of your mouth ^.^
its adorable people still think AtB builds are OP. those ships already suck unless they run an AtB build, or are more dangerous without one. i can hear the sci ship users and healers laughing every time scorn is directed at AtB instead of their runaway effectiveness.
Brute forcing things to a full mk 14 gold ship on tribble just cost about 3.5M dil, 1.2M of it being 100% unskippable have to pay to put the tech upgrade in just to start the mission. The rest being pay it now. Another 4~M dilithium power leveling crafts to 15 just to upgrade things. At the end of doing a full ship to gold mk 14 (no craft but sci was beyond 12 to start, pl'd to just into 15 then crafted) Beams 20, Cannons 0, Eng 20, Ground 0, Proj 20, Sci 20, Shields 19. Crafting the upgrade items is basically the 20 hrs worth of exp in 10 mins... I'm sure this will get "fixed" promptly.
However, while I was keeping track, it cost 23 very rare tech upgrades per attempt at going from Mk 14 ultra rare to Mk 14 epic fleet shields. 23 per try at 800~ dil per input (1025 without a fleet on tribble, guessing that 800). The project time was 2.25 days (or 54~k dil to finish now). It took me 11 tries to get the shields to proc to epic. Thats 202,400 dil (without accelerants, although judging by the ss on the release they make 1 tech do more on the progress bar and cost more dil to put in so I'm not gonna comment on this as I'm unsure) to upgrade a fleet shield just from Mk14 ultra rare to Mk 14 epic. Oh and at 2.25 days each, thats nearly 25 days upgrading, or 594,000 dil on pay it now spam. For one fleet shield.
However, I noticed consoles were super easy, and all my fleet prtg consoles upgraded within 5 minutes of spamming very rare tech into them (I think it took 50 for the 3 that I was paying attention to.)
Prices better be adjusted quick or moms credit card gonna be super op.
its adorable people still think AtB builds are OP. those ships already suck unless they run an AtB build, or are more dangerous without one. i can hear the sci ship users and healers laughing every time scorn is directed at AtB instead of their runaway effectiveness.
i dont care if they are OP, point is they are strong, easy mode, and try to fit cruisers into a role that isnt theirs
Prices better be adjusted quick or moms credit card gonna be super op.
Sandwich a few adult purchases around that PWE charge... and I bet you can convince her the gaming charges are a good thing.
PS just to put a bit of perspective on your Dil experiments tonight. If you want to get epics with out spending $... that is 437 days of 8k D refining. Or 150 days of D if you really never ever push a finish now... and let Cryptic laugh at you with there temptations of an EPIC waiting or a Wasted slot sitting there for days at a time. lmao System is a bad joke even The kings of the diaper wearing asian grindcore gamers would revolt.
Then again I guess its only around $200 bucks per toon... as long as you get a bit luckyish... and Cryptic doesn't do things like tune the amount of Crafting XP gained which would reduce your crits ect. Think my tag says it all today.
They aren't even trying to pretend it's not pay-to-win anymore. When did Zynga take over STO and turn everything into pay-to-finish now, or wait an excruciatingly long time for the chance of a chance to maybe, kind of, get what you want. Where is the petition to sign to bring back Stahl...
They aren't even trying to pretend it's not pay-to-win anymore. When did Zynga take over STO and turn everything into pay-to-finish now, or wait an excruciatingly long time for the chance of a chance to maybe, kind of, get what you want. Where is the petition to sign to bring back Stahl...
You don't even have to wait for your chance of a chance... you get to know instantly. So you can decide to pay for your super cool toy that is just sitting there waiting for you to be a sucker.
OR you can be reminded of your unlucky nature for 2 days and stew until you finish the stupid thing to take another pull of the one armed bandit.
Indeed, and the fact that the game has devolved into this is extremely frustrating. I honestly believe the ONLY reason it's still around is because it's Star Trek. If it weren't for that alone keeping and drawing in fans of Star Trek, this game probably would have been canned already.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say there. The bosses and overall PvE difficulty is a huge joke in STO. Seems the answer in DR by Cryptic was as we all expected too, just add more HP and TRIBBLE one-shot kills. GG
I'm a casual player, in terms of time spent playing. I have dropped alot of money on STO to avoid grinding, gather ships, gear, dil, etc...
The other thread where PvPers boast about how much time played their characters have...well my main PvP character just reached 16 days. That character has been Level 50 for 2 years now!
Compared to most that have well over 100 days with some closer to 200 days actively logged in?
Maybe if I add all my characters together I'd get there. But I've also been here since Beta ended.
I can't keep up with the current grinds and enjoy my limited daily time in STO. I'm a lifer so I can always return but if DR means all my money and all my time to keep my 2 tacs, 2 Scis and 1 Engie up to date with PvP then I'll have to look elsewhere. And I have 2 other Tacs I'd like to complete but I barely can keep up with those 5.
I feel you. It seems like this new grind is meant to really gate pvp. The devs have explicitly said that you will not need T6 or upgraded gear to do pve. (And really who even needs mk XII when cryptic's pve is as intelligent and interesting as a bag of rocks?!?). However, for pvp when you really need the latest gear to remain competitive as when two people of similar skills meet the gear can make all the difference.
I myself are a casual player, I've spend money on this game, but lately it feels more like a second job than fun. I have 10 chars, 8 of them pvp ready as it stands at the moment. Pvp is all I care for and only do pve because cryptic forces us to get gear for pvp. However, after this asinine decision, who knows if I will even be able to complete upgrading a character. Much less the will to do so.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]-32nd Vipers- PvP Team
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
Lol, so we grind R&D to level 15, and to get experimental upgrades we need salvage?
Seems they ran out of ideas and decided to bring in old ones from the Borg gear grind, but even worse since you have to also throw in mats and EC into the thing.
Lol, so we grind R&D to level 15, and to get experimental upgrades we need salvage?
Seems they ran out of ideas and decided to bring in old ones from the Borg gear grind, but even worse since you have to also throw in mats and EC into the thing.
This will be hard to defend. All this grind to max your toons.
I needed 1.5 years to max 2-4 main toons and fleet, and seeing how i missed entire crafting season 9.5 this will be extremely hard.
Making PvP rewardLESS and making repetitive PvE missions a MUST for being able to upgrade and progress makes it even more punishing.
Cryptic seriously needs to think and rethink in making missions and PvP more rewarding by introducing feeling of accomplishment instead of enforcing feeling of self-punishment by repeating grinding missions.
i dont care if they are OP, point is they are strong, easy mode, and try to fit cruisers into a role that isnt theirs
don't kid yourself, cruisers are only now actually functioning correctly as designed, with tech doffs. they have 8 weapons, and half of them at least a LTC tac, and 4 tac consoles for a reason. cruisers cover the whole field. some are good at DPS, some at healing, and some you can use as a sci ship pretty well.
if anything isn't being used like it was intended, its escorts. what ever happened to those being the fragile glass cannons? instead their mobility and all the proc heals they have added make them the hardest to kill of all, wile optimized to deal the most dangerous type of damage. cruisers not built to be 100% healers, unless they have effectively double the station powers, are this games actual glass cannons. they cant just fly away from danger like an escort can, cant outmaneuver an attacker with cannons. they can get around alright with EPtE, but then they are losing a 10% final buff to damage and a good deal of overcaping.
its just become the natural state for so many to just hate tech doffs, when it gets proven over and over that they aren't op. then it pivits to some other reason, like cruisers shouldn't be like that in the first place. just another argument easily proven false. worry about the sci ship debuffing you, not the killing shot from the tac ship, that only killed you because you got nuked. worry about the healer that makes your targets invincible, you will then wish you had more sci or firepower on your side, possibly AtB enhanced firepower
Sandwich a few adult purchases around that PWE charge... and I bet you can convince her the gaming charges are a good thing.
PS just to put a bit of perspective on your Dil experiments tonight. If you want to get epics with out spending $... that is 437 days of 8k D refining. Or 150 days of D if you really never ever push a finish now... and let Cryptic laugh at you with there temptations of an EPIC waiting or a Wasted slot sitting there for days at a time. lmao System is a bad joke even The kings of the diaper wearing asian grindcore gamers would revolt.
Then again I guess its only around $200 bucks per toon... as long as you get a bit luckyish... and Cryptic doesn't do things like tune the amount of Crafting XP gained which would reduce your crits ect. Think my tag says it all today.
Hey guys cryptic said these aren't final prices, calm down everyone and wait and see.
Getting back on track: Bottom line is, those of us that already considered this game too grind heavy were just b***h slapped by Geko et al.
Sadly there won't be any time for pvp as we all will have to be grinding as our Chinese overlords want. Gotta go kill more gekosaurus to get the dil to upgrade the items to do more grind and maybe pvp for 5 minutes if there is time. Well, that or take a second mortgage to maybe level my toons and then a third one once they decide to add more p2w grind,
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]-32nd Vipers- PvP Team
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
Sadly there won't be any time for pvp as we all will have to be grinding as our Chinese overlords want. Gotta go kill more gekosaurus to get the dil to upgrade the items to do more grind and maybe pvp for 5 minutes if there is time. Well, that or take a second mortgage to maybe level my toons and then a third one once they decide to add more p2w grind,
Then once you get in that match...you'll get pwned by the guy who did pay for everything on Oct 14, because his EPIC gear and spacebar will win the match (WAI). God help anyone who runs into a team that's willing to fork over the $$ right away...
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Lol, they are currently in the list of bugged items. Yes, they can be upgraded, but they are bugged right now in Tribble.
Now the Polarized Tetryon beams. Imagine a UR MK XIV [Acc]x2. Epic shield stripping.
yeah those polarized tetryons... (queue slow-motion smile)
look at that huge 6% gap between spire MK XII ur and MK XIV spire gold......:rolleyes:
Lol, I threw all that stuff to the trash. Oh well.
says the supporter of aux2bat..........mind figuring out your position on this? cause im hearin two different things coming out of either side of your mouth ^.^
Lol, yeah, drunk is kind of bipolar on game issues. Just move on.
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
its adorable people still think AtB builds are OP. those ships already suck unless they run an AtB build, or are more dangerous without one. i can hear the sci ship users and healers laughing every time scorn is directed at AtB instead of their runaway effectiveness.
also look at the huge amount of dil you will need...
Guys, I will not work (in real or in game grinding resources) to play the ridiculous pvp system we have.
I hope my mk xii items will be enough...
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
However, while I was keeping track, it cost 23 very rare tech upgrades per attempt at going from Mk 14 ultra rare to Mk 14 epic fleet shields. 23 per try at 800~ dil per input (1025 without a fleet on tribble, guessing that 800). The project time was 2.25 days (or 54~k dil to finish now). It took me 11 tries to get the shields to proc to epic. Thats 202,400 dil (without accelerants, although judging by the ss on the release they make 1 tech do more on the progress bar and cost more dil to put in so I'm not gonna comment on this as I'm unsure) to upgrade a fleet shield just from Mk14 ultra rare to Mk 14 epic. Oh and at 2.25 days each, thats nearly 25 days upgrading, or 594,000 dil on pay it now spam. For one fleet shield.
However, I noticed consoles were super easy, and all my fleet prtg consoles upgraded within 5 minutes of spamming very rare tech into them (I think it took 50 for the 3 that I was paying attention to.)
Prices better be adjusted quick or moms credit card gonna be super op.
if you arent obsessed with gold quality it takes around 10k dil using the 2 level of 4 kits
i dont care if they are OP, point is they are strong, easy mode, and try to fit cruisers into a role that isnt theirs
Sandwich a few adult purchases around that PWE charge... and I bet you can convince her the gaming charges are a good thing.
PS just to put a bit of perspective on your Dil experiments tonight. If you want to get epics with out spending $... that is 437 days of 8k D refining. Or 150 days of D if you really never ever push a finish now... and let Cryptic laugh at you with there temptations of an EPIC waiting or a Wasted slot sitting there for days at a time. lmao System is a bad joke even The kings of the diaper wearing asian grindcore gamers would revolt.
Then again I guess its only around $200 bucks per toon... as long as you get a bit luckyish... and Cryptic doesn't do things like tune the amount of Crafting XP gained which would reduce your crits ect. Think my tag says it all today.
The most OP type of ships that use it are not even cruisers. What's up with that?
You don't even have to wait for your chance of a chance... you get to know instantly. So you can decide to pay for your super cool toy that is just sitting there waiting for you to be a sucker.
OR you can be reminded of your unlucky nature for 2 days and stew until you finish the stupid thing to take another pull of the one armed bandit.
Gamblin is as gamblin does.
That's the saying isn't it ?
Indeed, and the fact that the game has devolved into this is extremely frustrating. I honestly believe the ONLY reason it's still around is because it's Star Trek. If it weren't for that alone keeping and drawing in fans of Star Trek, this game probably would have been canned already.
I feel you. It seems like this new grind is meant to really gate pvp. The devs have explicitly said that you will not need T6 or upgraded gear to do pve. (And really who even needs mk XII when cryptic's pve is as intelligent and interesting as a bag of rocks?!?). However, for pvp when you really need the latest gear to remain competitive as when two people of similar skills meet the gear can make all the difference.
I myself are a casual player, I've spend money on this game, but lately it feels more like a second job than fun. I have 10 chars, 8 of them pvp ready as it stands at the moment. Pvp is all I care for and only do pve because cryptic forces us to get gear for pvp. However, after this asinine decision, who knows if I will even be able to complete upgrading a character. Much less the will to do so.
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
Seems they ran out of ideas and decided to bring in old ones from the Borg gear grind, but even worse since you have to also throw in mats and EC into the thing.
This will be hard to defend. All this grind to max your toons.
I needed 1.5 years to max 2-4 main toons and fleet, and seeing how i missed entire crafting season 9.5 this will be extremely hard.
Making PvP rewardLESS and making repetitive PvE missions a MUST for being able to upgrade and progress makes it even more punishing.
Cryptic seriously needs to think and rethink in making missions and PvP more rewarding by introducing feeling of accomplishment instead of enforcing feeling of self-punishment by repeating grinding missions.
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don't kid yourself, cruisers are only now actually functioning correctly as designed, with tech doffs. they have 8 weapons, and half of them at least a LTC tac, and 4 tac consoles for a reason. cruisers cover the whole field. some are good at DPS, some at healing, and some you can use as a sci ship pretty well.
if anything isn't being used like it was intended, its escorts. what ever happened to those being the fragile glass cannons? instead their mobility and all the proc heals they have added make them the hardest to kill of all, wile optimized to deal the most dangerous type of damage. cruisers not built to be 100% healers, unless they have effectively double the station powers, are this games actual glass cannons. they cant just fly away from danger like an escort can, cant outmaneuver an attacker with cannons. they can get around alright with EPtE, but then they are losing a 10% final buff to damage and a good deal of overcaping.
its just become the natural state for so many to just hate tech doffs, when it gets proven over and over that they aren't op. then it pivits to some other reason, like cruisers shouldn't be like that in the first place. just another argument easily proven false. worry about the sci ship debuffing you, not the killing shot from the tac ship, that only killed you because you got nuked. worry about the healer that makes your targets invincible, you will then wish you had more sci or firepower on your side, possibly AtB enhanced firepower
Hey guys cryptic said these aren't final prices, calm down everyone and wait and see.
Sadly there won't be any time for pvp as we all will have to be grinding as our Chinese overlords want. Gotta go kill more gekosaurus to get the dil to upgrade the items to do more grind and maybe pvp for 5 minutes if there is time. Well, that or take a second mortgage to maybe level my toons and then a third one once they decide to add more p2w grind,
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
You seriously must be new around here...
Then once you get in that match...you'll get pwned by the guy who did pay for everything on Oct 14, because his EPIC gear and spacebar will win the match (WAI). God help anyone who runs into a team that's willing to fork over the $$ right away...