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redheadguy
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Hello everyone,
I noticed that we have gotten a lot of info on the Fed ships like consol layout, weapon layout and the like. However, we didn't get that kind of info for the new T6 KDF Raptor.
Dev's if your reading this: PLEASE make the KDF Raptor a 5 Tac console ship with 5 weapons up front!
I mean, so far I like how that ship looks. I hope it has a turn rate to match the T6 Fed escort! The KDF needs a ship to match the firepower of what the Feds and Romulans have.
Who is with me on ths?
I noticed that we have gotten a lot of info on the Fed ships like consol layout, weapon layout and the like. However, we didn't get that kind of info for the new T6 KDF Raptor.
Dev's if your reading this: PLEASE make the KDF Raptor a 5 Tac console ship with 5 weapons up front!
I mean, so far I like how that ship looks. I hope it has a turn rate to match the T6 Fed escort! The KDF needs a ship to match the firepower of what the Feds and Romulans have.
Who is with me on ths?
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But yeah, a 5 tac console / 5 forward weapon escort is a glaring omission from the KDF lineup; if anyone would build such a "glass cannon" ship emphasising firepower over anything else, it's the Klingons. This Raptor is a great chance to address that, but we'll see.
I'm with you on the performance, as I stated many times in orher threads. I do expect this raptor to be good and have 5 tac.consoles and 5 fwd. weapon slots since they've described it as "designed to have unparalleled forward firepower".
We know they can make good Escorts, so logically they can make a Good Raptor. I will even go so far as to say since nobody paid for the Qin there was no point fixing it. And I'll never understand why they made the Fleet version the way they did.
Already they have a small player base on KDF, so of the people who would buy a Raptor limiting sales by releasing one that just doesn't compete doesn't make any sense.
I expect a Turn rate of 16, I expect 3 Eng, 2 Sci and 5 Tac Consoles, I expect the Disruptor Cannon to be worth Equipping and I expect a Universal Ensign. I expect the Fleet version to have a 4th Universal Console slot... Err make that Engineering.
I'm not sure how much inertia I want on it. I would love it to have a Sci Lt.Com instead of an Engineer but I know it's getting the 2nd Lt.Com as an Engineer.
I also think we will get an Intel Raptor that should be the Sci heavy Battle Cloaking counterpart to the MaHahahaha.
I would like advice for people asking how do I get better performance from my Raptor to not be answered by telling them to fly a Fleet Tor'kaht.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
All the reasons why it thus WON'T have any of that, Shpoks.
I fully expect just a sub-par 4/3 weapons with 4 tac consoles raptor. Tier 6 or not, I don't think that they will give us anything actually good.
lol
After more than 2.5 years since the last raptor one would think they figured what our issue with the raptors was. I do hope they learned their lesson from the Mogh, a good ship for good sales, I see hundreds of them evertime I play.
As for Geko, I wouldn't dwell on that. I mean, it's Geko - people complain about sth. on the forum and then he insults everyone. Take what he said as his usual banter, you know he can't miss the oportunity to do that.
Man you guys are in the downer.
I can't say I don't understand this PoV, it's only that in current STO it makes no sense for them to deliberately undermine their sales. Maybe, once long time ago it made sense to someone to make something less effective in order to satisfy another portion of the playerbase - but with the current mixed mess PvP is?? Nah, I highly doubt they'd risk making more money, just because or out of spite. We know it's all about the $$$.
I do know how you guys feel, it happens to me on many ocassions when Cryptic does something unbeliveably short-sighted. I just find it hard to believe that in the company that monetizes everything, there would be someone stupid or insane enough to say "Let's make a ship that won't sell, to troll players!". Because they've trolled themselves by doing that.
Besides, if they felt like trolling people, what they'd do is give it the 5/5 setup, but then a boff layout of
Cmdr Tac
LtCmdr Tac x2
Lt Sci
Ensign Universal
That'd be FAR better trolling than going 4/4.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
To quote Kirk, "Don't trust them! Don't believe them!"
I guess some of it just comes from being bitter and more than a little tired of the copy/paste routine they've done with the past few KDF ships. The three Dyson ships being effectively the same thing as the other two factions, and then the Mogh being a near-perfect copy of the Avenger (and released AFTER it as well). I love my Mogh, don't get me wrong, but I don't like this trend.
You are right, it would make no sense for them to purposefully TRIBBLE over KDF players with the ships (though one could argue that they already did by giving Feds half the new ships by themselves). But I'm also old and bitter as a KDF player, so I try not to get my hopes up either.
Thing is, I WANT to be wrong about this. I WANT that Raptor to be good. I WANT to feel like it is worth buying and supporting the KDF faction.
What I don't want, is to be screwed over, or have any support I give only end up being used to make more Fed toys over, and over, and over again in the future.
As for the 'Feds always get something better than we get' argument; take a good look at the Eclipse compared to the Qib. The Qib is objectively superior to the Eclipse in every way. Furthermore, the Rom Faeht beats the pants of the Phantom - it's more agile, has a far better cloak, and a superior lance. The big scary Federation doesn't, in fact, always get the nicest toys.
except the crew size on the kdf ship is allot larger and we all know what that means . it sure as hell is not an advantage.
The exact words are "unparalleled forward firepower capable of delivering volleys of devastating torpedo fire at its enemies", which has me more than a little puzzled. The description sounds more like pointless flavor than a representation of its gameplay, since they specifically mention torpedo fire but then give it a Disrupter Nose Cannon console.
Maybe it comes with a special weapon (like the Kumari wing cannons) that's some kind of kinetic DHC? That could potentially be pretty awesome.
Never even thought of a DHC that deals kinetic damage, interesting! Sorta like a DHC version of the kinetic cutting beam... sounds unique ( devs please look into this ), what ever the mwahahahahah raptor is I will still buy it.
No. That my dream ship. I would go kdf
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Most likely being its a kdf ship the highest tactical it will have is 4 consoles. They make it pretty apparent that they want the federation and romulans to be the only faction with usable 5 tact console ships. Basically its a loss leader on ppl who value pvp so highly showing them how their fed and romulan ship line is superior to kdf lol.
Back when it was balanced right where they had diminishing returns it was on equal terms as far as damage but then they removed that and then created remans with boff passives to increase the cloak ambush buff to close to a minute at max. Plus i'm not thrilled on upgrading a tier 5 ship(s) that are inferior paying for ships I already paid for lol. As well the gear already grinded for will be obsolete as well so pretty much as much as I love klingon star trek lore I probally won't see anyone going kdf that hasn't already.
Get in line my friend, I'm sure a LOT of KDF players want one too.
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