There's a reason why gold members eventually get the AGT combadge....
STO is a different universe, more akin to the Terran Empire. That's my headcanon anyway. With how many space nations the Federation is at war with, one would suspect that the high ups have been infiltrated by the Iconians, too. It's not like the command staff hasn't been controlled before.
Time to reinforce the point, If CBS Says it's Star Trek, It's Star Trek. You don't have to like it, but you cannot change the fact that it's Star Trek.
I ask this question in the various threads like this that pop up. If this game goes against Star Trek, against canon, goes against the core ideas of Star Trek...Then why do you play?
I think people are assuming that Picard's command style is the way all Star Fleet captains should be. I am a fan of TOS and can't think of any time someone fired on Kirk's enterprise and he didn't fire back. I recently re-watched Balance of Terror and at no time did Kirk try to diplomatically solve the situation.
If look at the Star Trek movies that involved combat...Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and Undiscovered Country...Kirk did not try to talk his way out of anything...they fired on him, he fired back.
I think the typical Star Fleet officer, IE "us", would fall somewhere in between Kirk and Picard.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I ask this question in the various threads like this that pop up. If this game goes against Star Trek, against canon, goes against the core ideas of Star Trek...Then why do you play?
I think people are assuming that Picard's command style is the way all Star Fleet captains should be. I am a fan of TOS and can't think of any time someone fired on Kirk's enterprise and he didn't fire back. I recently re-watched Balance of Terror and at no time did Kirk try to diplomatically solve the situation.
If look at the Star Trek movies that involved combat...Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and Undiscovered Country...Kirk did not try to talk his way out of anything...they fired on him, he fired back.
I think the typical Star Fleet officer, IE "us", would fall somewhere in between Kirk and Picard.
Honestly I play and write Kanril Eleya as a blend of Kirk and Sisko (Kirk's attitude, Sisko's pragmatism). Picard's pretentiousness gets on my nerves.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Time to reinforce the point, If CBS Says it's Star Trek, It's Star Trek. You don't have to like it, but you cannot change the fact that it's Star Trek.
Pretty much. If I have to deal with Enterprise being Star Trek, the rest of these whining fanboys can deal with Star Trek Online being Star Trek.
Pretty much. If I have to deal with Enterprise being Star Trek, the rest of these whining fanboys can deal with Star Trek Online being Star Trek.
And Nemesis. Don't forget Nemesis.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I'm not saying it's canon. I'm saying it's Star Trek.
Things can be Star Trek without being canon. You don't have to like it. But screaming until you're blue in the face about how something isn't Star Trek is an exercise in futility.
Intellectual property owner creates or licenses something? It becomes part of that intellectual property. Canon? Not always. But it does become part of the franchise.
Star Trek Online is part of the Star Trek franchise regardless of its state of canonicity.
People need to get over it. Star Trek fans don't decide what is canon and what is not. Star Trek fans do not decide what is Star Trek and what is not.
Honestly I play and write Kanril Eleya as a blend of Kirk and Sisko (Kirk's attitude, Sisko's pragmatism). Picard's pretentiousness gets on my nerves.
I play the same way. I knew I didn't like Picard's command style when the episode that first intro'd the ferengi...the ferengi stole something and the Ent was pursuing them. The ferengi ship is shooting at Ent and Worf wanted to fire back but Picard's response was "No we're following them and it could be seen as a provocation".
The whole first season TNG interaction between Worf and Picard can be boiled down to:
Worf: I say we fire the phasers
Picard: We will not fire
Worf: But I am a klingon warrior
Picard You are a star fleet officer
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I don't think it was until after TOS ended that the idea of Starfleet not being military ever came up. I Personally I think its ridiculous to say its not military. They have a military rank structure and conduct tasks that one would expect the military to do. The problem is people begin equating military with naked aggression. I retired from the army a year ago, and believe me, I'd have been happy to have never had any armed conflict occur during my time in and beyond.
I don't really understand why some fans are so against Starfleet being a military organization.
Because Starfleet is more than a military organization. Calling it a military organization cuts its role short, reduces it to one single aspect.
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Because Starfleet is more than a military organization. Calling it a military organization cuts its role short, reduces it to one single aspect.
I'm going to disagree on that. Military organizations are more than just uniforms and pew pew. Yes, it's the first thing that comes to mind, but militaries are so much more than that.
The U.S. Coast Guard? Military. The Polar Star makes annual trips to Antarctica to assist scientists doing work there. They interdict drug trafficking, perform search and rescue, etc.
The U.S. Navy answers distress calls. The Haitian Earthquake happened, and who was the first to respond? The U.S. military. The U.S. Navy funded Robert Ballard's search for the Titanic after he located the wrecks of the Scorpion and the Thresher.
Yes, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the military does more than blow things up.
But part of Roddenberry's Starfleet was rooted in reality, where our military branches are out there as first-responders to a variety of international emergencies -- a fraction of which consists of actual armed combat authorized by the President or Congress.
Because Starfleet is more than a military organization. Calling it a military organization cuts its role short, reduces it to one single aspect.
By that definition so does sayings its not a military organization.
I never said it was only a military organization. If I implied that's what I meant, my apologies. In the past this has come up before. Some players I recall were vehemently against saying Starfleet was military at all, which makes very little sense to me, given how we see them operate. (I was around in open beta and a little past it, then quit and decided to come back around now)
But then I've always wondered why the Klingon Defense Force is so named.
There's a reason why gold members eventually get the AGT combadge....
STO is a different universe, more akin to the Terran Empire. That's my headcanon anyway. With how many space nations the Federation is at war with, one would suspect that the high ups have been infiltrated by the Iconians, too. It's not like the command staff hasn't been controlled before.
The problem here is that we have no real clue as to how many nations the Federation has been at war with over the centuries. We never knew the Cardassian Empire existed, let alone that the Federation had a 3 year war with them, until it was brought up in an episode of TNG. We knew nothing about the Sheliak or the Treaty of Armens until it was in an episode. We knew nothing about the Suliban, Xindi, or the Delphic Expanse until the episodes in Enterprise.
Star Trek's history is not carved in stone. it is modified with each episode of Star Trek. We simply have the luxury of looking back at it from a decade or more. At some point in the future, when CBS does another Star Trek series, the history will be modified even further and we might discover there were even more wars we knew nothing about.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm going to disagree on that. Military organizations are more than just uniforms and pew pew. Yes, it's the first thing that comes to mind, but militaries are so much more than that.
The U.S. Coast Guard? Military. The Polar Star makes annual trips to Antarctica to assist scientists doing work there. They interdict drug trafficking, perform search and rescue, etc.
The U.S. Navy answers distress calls. The Haitian Earthquake happened, and who was the first to respond? The U.S. military. The U.S. Navy funded Robert Ballard's search for the Titanic after he located the wrecks of the Scorpion and the Thresher.
Yes, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the military does more than blow things up.
But part of Roddenberry's Starfleet was rooted in reality, where our military branches are out there as first-responders to a variety of international emergencies -- a fraction of which consists of actual armed combat authorized by the President or Congress.
Yeah, I was a recruiter for a few years during my career. (I really hated recruiting, BTW). There were 7 of us in that station, 8 if you count the Station Commander. Only 2 of us were infantry. The others were air traffic controllers, mechanics, satellite systems operators, and one actual cook. I was the only graphic designer there. When applicants asked what my job in the army was some didn't actual believe me. They were convinced that all I did was jump out of airplanes and shoot things.
TOS was a bit more realistic than TNG in my opinion in that regard.
Yeah, I was a recruiter for a few years during my career. (I really hated recruiting, BTW). There were 7 of us in that station, 8 if you count the Station Commander. Only 2 of us were infantry. The others were air traffic controllers, mechanics, satellite systems operators, and one actual cook. I was the only graphic designer there. When applicants asked what my job in the army was some didn't actual believe me. They were convinced that all I did was jump out of airplanes and shoot things.
TOS was a bit more realistic than TNG in my opinion in that regard.
I think there's a mangled quote somewhere about the last people who want a war are the Generals/Admirals themselves.
I'm pretty sure most militaries are just fine with having their day-to-day jobs consisting of humanitarian and peacekeeping efforts. Supplying less fortunate countries with drinking water, building bridges as a result of diplomatic relations with America.
Or people that cook, work in logistics, work in scientific fields... I mean even NASA is considered part of the military.
Yes, wars and armed conflict do happen, but it isn't something military organizations actively pursue.
Star Trek's history is not carved in stone. it is modified with each episode of Star Trek. We simply have the luxury of looking back at it from a decade or more. At some point in the future, when CBS does another Star Trek series, the history will be modified even further and we might discover there were even more wars we knew nothing about.
this...people have a rigid view of canon. Canon must be flexible in order for the IP to live on. What was canon to TOS got changed with the movies. Klingon's were just dark skinned bad guys and then TMP rolls around and the forehead ridges are introduced (with no real reason or explanation) and then TNG rolls around and we have a good klingon and the klingon empire goes from being evil villains to a culture of honor bound warriors.
With each new iteration of Star Trek the canon is changed and grown.
DS9 showed us a space station and a federation at war.
VOY took us away from the safety of Federation space and dropped a crew and ship in the middle of nowhere.
So while this game may not be canon...it's not outside of the realm of possibilities that if the shows were to continue that we would have seen more non-federation races onboard federation ships....or even a crew onboard a non-federation ship. Things we would have believed to be hard and fast rules changed.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
If it wasn't canon, Cryptic wouldn't have done that to make JJTrek's plot work.
STO is based on the Star Trek canon, so Romulus is gone as that happened in the prime universe as well and the events in this game happen after that.
STO by itself, however, is nowhere near canon.
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STO is a different universe, more akin to the Terran Empire. That's my headcanon anyway. With how many space nations the Federation is at war with, one would suspect that the high ups have been infiltrated by the Iconians, too. It's not like the command staff hasn't been controlled before.
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I think people are assuming that Picard's command style is the way all Star Fleet captains should be. I am a fan of TOS and can't think of any time someone fired on Kirk's enterprise and he didn't fire back. I recently re-watched Balance of Terror and at no time did Kirk try to diplomatically solve the situation.
If look at the Star Trek movies that involved combat...Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and Undiscovered Country...Kirk did not try to talk his way out of anything...they fired on him, he fired back.
I think the typical Star Fleet officer, IE "us", would fall somewhere in between Kirk and Picard.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Honestly I play and write Kanril Eleya as a blend of Kirk and Sisko (Kirk's attitude, Sisko's pragmatism). Picard's pretentiousness gets on my nerves.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Pretty much. If I have to deal with Enterprise being Star Trek, the rest of these whining fanboys can deal with Star Trek Online being Star Trek.
And Nemesis. Don't forget Nemesis.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Yes. That too. Although personally not as horrendous as Enterprise.
I'm not saying it's canon. I'm saying it's Star Trek.
Things can be Star Trek without being canon. You don't have to like it. But screaming until you're blue in the face about how something isn't Star Trek is an exercise in futility.
Intellectual property owner creates or licenses something? It becomes part of that intellectual property. Canon? Not always. But it does become part of the franchise.
Star Trek Online is part of the Star Trek franchise regardless of its state of canonicity.
People need to get over it. Star Trek fans don't decide what is canon and what is not. Star Trek fans do not decide what is Star Trek and what is not.
Whoever holds the rights to Star Trek does.
I play the same way. I knew I didn't like Picard's command style when the episode that first intro'd the ferengi...the ferengi stole something and the Ent was pursuing them. The ferengi ship is shooting at Ent and Worf wanted to fire back but Picard's response was "No we're following them and it could be seen as a provocation".
The whole first season TNG interaction between Worf and Picard can be boiled down to:
Worf: I say we fire the phasers
Picard: We will not fire
Worf: But I am a klingon warrior
Picard You are a star fleet officer
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I'm going to disagree on that. Military organizations are more than just uniforms and pew pew. Yes, it's the first thing that comes to mind, but militaries are so much more than that.
The U.S. Coast Guard? Military. The Polar Star makes annual trips to Antarctica to assist scientists doing work there. They interdict drug trafficking, perform search and rescue, etc.
The U.S. Navy answers distress calls. The Haitian Earthquake happened, and who was the first to respond? The U.S. military. The U.S. Navy funded Robert Ballard's search for the Titanic after he located the wrecks of the Scorpion and the Thresher.
Yes, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the military does more than blow things up.
But part of Roddenberry's Starfleet was rooted in reality, where our military branches are out there as first-responders to a variety of international emergencies -- a fraction of which consists of actual armed combat authorized by the President or Congress.
By that definition so does sayings its not a military organization.
I never said it was only a military organization. If I implied that's what I meant, my apologies. In the past this has come up before. Some players I recall were vehemently against saying Starfleet was military at all, which makes very little sense to me, given how we see them operate. (I was around in open beta and a little past it, then quit and decided to come back around now)
But then I've always wondered why the Klingon Defense Force is so named.
Star Trek's history is not carved in stone. it is modified with each episode of Star Trek. We simply have the luxury of looking back at it from a decade or more. At some point in the future, when CBS does another Star Trek series, the history will be modified even further and we might discover there were even more wars we knew nothing about.
Yeah, I was a recruiter for a few years during my career. (I really hated recruiting, BTW). There were 7 of us in that station, 8 if you count the Station Commander. Only 2 of us were infantry. The others were air traffic controllers, mechanics, satellite systems operators, and one actual cook. I was the only graphic designer there. When applicants asked what my job in the army was some didn't actual believe me. They were convinced that all I did was jump out of airplanes and shoot things.
TOS was a bit more realistic than TNG in my opinion in that regard.
I think there's a mangled quote somewhere about the last people who want a war are the Generals/Admirals themselves.
I'm pretty sure most militaries are just fine with having their day-to-day jobs consisting of humanitarian and peacekeeping efforts. Supplying less fortunate countries with drinking water, building bridges as a result of diplomatic relations with America.
Or people that cook, work in logistics, work in scientific fields... I mean even NASA is considered part of the military.
Yes, wars and armed conflict do happen, but it isn't something military organizations actively pursue.
this...people have a rigid view of canon. Canon must be flexible in order for the IP to live on. What was canon to TOS got changed with the movies. Klingon's were just dark skinned bad guys and then TMP rolls around and the forehead ridges are introduced (with no real reason or explanation) and then TNG rolls around and we have a good klingon and the klingon empire goes from being evil villains to a culture of honor bound warriors.
With each new iteration of Star Trek the canon is changed and grown.
DS9 showed us a space station and a federation at war.
VOY took us away from the safety of Federation space and dropped a crew and ship in the middle of nowhere.
So while this game may not be canon...it's not outside of the realm of possibilities that if the shows were to continue that we would have seen more non-federation races onboard federation ships....or even a crew onboard a non-federation ship. Things we would have believed to be hard and fast rules changed.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
You keep saying that, yet....Romulus is gone.
If it wasn't canon, Cryptic wouldn't have done that to make JJTrek's plot work.
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STO is based on the Star Trek canon, so Romulus is gone as that happened in the prime universe as well and the events in this game happen after that.
STO by itself, however, is nowhere near canon.