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Internet Slowdown Day: Leading web companies fight for ‘net neutrality’
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this net neutrality doesnt belong in general sto discussion as it doesnt directly effect sto and even if there was a network issue it goes elsewhere anyways. it should be in ten forward.
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You obviously don't live in an area covered by the Board of Water and Light.
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there is nothing one person can do to stop it but together in protest something can be done america's a testground for internet issues if something succeeds here it will pass on out to everyone else.
i would make note alot of sites and gaming servises will be affected as alot of them are hosted in the US.
lucky us i guess? we all already face our ISPs being noncompetitive i even live in an area where there is a duapoly and the companies raise prices together and put in place recently the same bandwith cap rules.
its not an american thing, the americans companies can shoot themselves in the foot about the whole issue but the rest of the world has to merely suffer the consequences of problems not our concern because an isp is deliberately bottlenecking foreign network connections and slowing other networked areas within the usa to a crawl. all these isps have to do then is pretend denial and nothing more can be done about it, then legal cases about this that and the other if it ever came to it. its just one giant problem no one wants.
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That's a 99% increase in less than 18 months.
There's nothing FREE or Neutral about the Internet.
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And see this is where things get nasty. We have some large corporations that oppose Net Neutrality (ISPs), and others that support it (Google). So what we have is a fight between large corporations. This is what the whole Internet Slowdown Day was about. Those large corporations that support it are the ones slowing down their sites today in order to both protest and show the people what an internet without Net Neutrality would look like.
Ah true enough. That does make it worse.
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however its still a valid point and i bet you on the 15th the company with deepest pockets will of won the argument or their will be an extension in the verdict again.
as a sidenote without a nuetral net companies like EA could potentialy buy deals with ISP's to make their competators sites unaccessable this is a fact its a worst case scenario but its true
and anouther sidenote
the argument most isps use is that it will help them recoup costs so they can upgrade more.does that seem like they wana doubledip and do you think they would really do more upgrading if they could charge website hosts too?
and theres also the flip side what if a company that hosts an awsome web servise wanted to charge an isp for access to it would the isps be happy about that no i dont think they would.
Would be more like whoever paid the most got the best connection, meaning the little guy is S.O.L.
Even then though only ISPs stand to gain from this. Even the big guys like Netflix, EA, Google, Amazon etc. would have to pay, so even without competition from smaller upstarts they're screwed. It's why all these companies support net neutrality - they'll be screwed even if it helps deter competition.
I need to add that ultimately it's us who are S.O.L. The added costs will be passed on to the consumers Netflix has to pay for it's traffic? That means we have to pay for it's traffic.
yes the isps will most likley use this as a change to double dip.
and if you are of like mind of me they are already double dipping in the form of overage fees.
so then they would be triple dipping.
these companies are on a constant basis putting their customers in a bad spot and if your like me you have MAYBE 2 choices no more of who to use to connect i have a choice between AT&T and Suddenlink both companies charge overages and both companies measurments are in their favor.:mad:
Public utilities have no place in private hands and every time they end up in greedy private interests hands it ends up a disaster. Every Time.
The inforstructure at the very least needs to be nationalized in both countries.
Then there would be no need anymore for hearings on net neutrality.
And before you Americans start wailing ohhhh he's commie, with utilities in public hands capitalism works way better.
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though ultimatly this is because certain intrest groups are siphoning the money off to their pet projects to keep this from getting to much into politics ill leave it at that.
but it is def not a good thing that these companies feel safe enough that their customers won't drop them in a heartbeat to do this is terrifying our world is run by the internet and its being held hostage.
Sounds like any other day.
Preferential treatment of traffic [QoS], and peering agreements are what makes the internet what it has been. I don't buy into the lies of fraudsters like Netflix..... they want Net neutrality just so they can save a buck with the peering provider they own in being able to sidestep peering agreements without paying anything.
if so then think about what it means if your isp could make your ping stay at or surpass 500ms permanently unless either A:you pay them to allow you to have low ping or B: Perfectworld/Cryptic pay.
this is something AT&T has a patent for RIGHT NOW they cant use it currently but they will once its legal.
am i saying that QoS is a bad thing of course not at least not if it does not discriminate between two of the same type of data.
if allowed the internet provider will discriminate against Video on demand services and a couple companies have already tried and are now getting paid by Netflix so that their service is not being kneecapped.
do you want to live in a world where you pay for Speed, Speed of particular sites, and Bandwidth caps.
we currently pay for 2 out of 3 of those.
Duno about you but i have to pass up alot of what the internet has to offer because of the Bandwidth caps every moneth.and i pay my bill ontime every month i dont torrent or pirate games but again i get punished because of the fact it helps the company make more money?
and telstra being the government monopoly it is isnt perfect BUT it works.usualy.
but if the usa market does this then any market can and will.
the current status quo is fine as it is and internet companies are already raking the funds in since they do not upgrade much these days!
If you're talking about the Comcast/Netflix and Verizon/Netflix thing.... that has nothing to do with capping data nor net neutrality. That was for an interconnect to avoid bandwifth and delays caused by the large amount of data Netflix generates and issues with peering networks and CDNs.... and the interconnect solution was PROPOSED by Netflix in the first place.... the only real difference is that Comcast had leverage not to have to pay for a Netflix interconnect into their own system, and instead did the inverse and has Netflix paying for a comcast interconnect in their system (to accomplish the same task).
i dont mind them doing QoS so long as the same type of data is seen in the same way as is currently already the practice.
what some companies aim to do isnt for the good of the consumer or content creation though.
so in conclusion if they want to do QoS it must be in a neutral way agreed?