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Thoron Infused Polaron delta reputation weapons can placate every 15 seconds

dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2014 in PvP Gameplay
they are basically yellow poloron weapons, have 3 mods, and no pol proc. but the placate scourge? the most hated enemy? its back.

the proc tool tip for these reads:

on hit: 2.5% chance unstable thoron radiation for 5 seconds
~1000 rad damage PER SECOND
-1% crit chance
-15% crit sev
target is placated, can occure once every 15 seconds.



that placate is unnecessary, the rest of the proc is plenty good without it, thats almost 5k rad damage every proc, thats 10 times better then plasma or some of these others


wile we are on the subject of the new rep, how about a rep trait that gives everyone a free copy of EPtE1? ya, +35 to flight speed, and +25% turn rate too. mvp slotable trait? i think so

*edit* in the trait window, tool tip actually reads +25% speed, not a flat +35 speed

another gives you 15% armor penetration, one heals hull 5500 on getting crited, and anotehr has an unknown number of stacks of 1.5% crit chance, that increases as you fire weapons. lol.

oh but thats nothing compared to their rank 5 active trait. its an AOE that on hit deals 19500 BASE knetic damage (100% shield pen), on top of a guarantied SHIELD OFFLINE FOR 8 SECONDS

*edit* on the ground its 308 damage, not 20k. probably a ground skill
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    So they change the annoying placate rep and now add these. Sounds like Cryptic I guess.

    Hopefully we can convince them to remove that part while its on tribble... more crit and rad dmg is plenty good and will have people wanting them.
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  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    DoT masterrace represent!


    But more seriously these are almost as good as Elachi disruptors.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I'm sure all this isn't final. In the past they've changed rep traits on tribble before release.

    But really, new items should really come with separate pvp and pve mods. Even though it's more work, I think it would easier for them to balance pve vs pvp. Everyone can have their cake.
  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    At the start i said wow, nice rad dot with a critx debuff, then i read "placate".... nope pls cryptic, don't do that
  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    http://i.imgur.com/iwyYLyR.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/2C4Tdy8.jpg


    Delta Rising is going to be awesome for PVP!
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    nandospc wrote: »
    At the start i said wow, nice rad dot with a critx debuff, then i read "placate".... nope pls cryptic, don't do that

    Is it a debuff or is DDIS simply using - as a bullet point. :) lol
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Is it a debuff or is DDIS simply using - as a bullet point. :) lol

    i dint use them as a bullet point on the radiation proc. my spelling and grammer might be unrefined, but i am orginized. its part of the whole thoron debuff. rads, and - crit
  • maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Meh the T5 trait looks good to me... about time healers could vape too...

















    oh wait...
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Lol, the tier5 skill is an i win button. Why every new ****ing thing ignore or penetrate shields? Stop with the penetration stuff, stop for god sake
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    apparently the reputation torpedo will reduce ALL subsystem power to ZERO for SIX seconds.

    *edit*

    ok now its showing -6.3, its no loner implying it drains all energy, so nevermind
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    that placate is unnecessary, the rest of the proc is plenty good without it, thats almost 5k rad damage every proc, thats 10 times better then plasma or some of these others
    Agreed, the placate needs to go as soon as possible. Placates are terrible as weapon procs; Cryptic should know this after the Tier IV New Romulus mess.
    oh but thats nothing compared to their rank 5 active trait. its an AOE that on hit deals 19500 BASE knetic damage (100% shield pen), on top of a guarantied SHIELD OFFLINE FOR 8 SECONDS

    well boys go ahead and give them feedback on what you think about this

    Hold on, this Tier V trait looks like a ground combat ability. The way this ability is worded combined with the fact that we just got another space Tier V passive with 8472 means it is highly likely this will be a ground thing rather than a space thing. Could you please look at the trait on a ground map?
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  • bwemobwemo Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Legit had to remove Particle Manipulator thinking this was obviously too much damage


    So....any good space based pvp games on the horizon that don't include buying a yacht for the project lead? :rolleyes:
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    http://i.imgur.com/iwyYLyR.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/2C4Tdy8.jpg


    Delta Rising is going to be awesome for PVP!

    R.I.P PVP. It's been a nice ride... If final, I'm seriously quitting PVP. Really.

    Also what ever cryptic is smoking-- They need to pass dat $%^& over here. It must be some good stuff.
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  • cepholapoidcepholapoid Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well, I think OP is a bit of an understatement now lol. Anyone got pics of the new rep "goodies"?
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hold on, this Tier V trait looks like a ground combat ability. The way this ability is worded combined with the fact that we just got another space Tier V passive with 8472 means it is highly likely this will be a ground thing rather than a space thing. Could you please look at the trait on a ground map?

    im no ground expert, but i dont recall 20k being a hitpoint of anything but a boss npc on the ground
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    R.I.P PVP. It's been a nice ride... If final, I'm seriously quitting PVP. Really.

    I think it is too premature to react on the changes over at Tribble. I agree that the placate on the weapons needs to go, but the reputation traits don't appear to be damning as of yet. The heal on crit trait needs a 20 second cooldown, but I suspect that will come around within the next month before this goes live. Additionally the Tier V ability is very likely a ground ability. Therefore it is senseless for Space PvPers to be up in arms about the ability before they know one way or another.
    im no ground expert, but i dont recall 20k being a hitpoint of anything but a boss npc on the ground

    Ground tooltips get a Space modifier while on Space maps. You need to look at the ability while on a ground map to get accurate readings.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Wow, 25K shield penetrating damage. Heals on crits, because there wasn't enough of that junk going around with Romulans and the Valdore console. More armor penetration. Placates yet again, after we fought so long to remove the Romulan T4 placate.

    Welcome to devs gone wild!

    Oh yeah, and the mess with that trait on my sig, almost forgot.
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Wow, 25K shield penetrating damage.
    ...probably a ground trait viewed on a space map.
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Heals on crits, because there wasn't enough of that junk going around with Romulans and the Valdore console.
    Valdore console is OP, plz nerf. The heal trait should be fine if it has a cooldown.
    lucho80 wrote: »
    More armor penetration.
    This trait just applies -15 all damage resistance rating to the target (but only for your weapons) on attacking. Not all that game changing, but fairly powerful.
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Placates yet again, after we fought so long to remove the Romulan T4 placate.
    Indeed, this proc would be powerful even without the terrible placate Cryptic decided to arbitrarily tack upon the ability.
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Oh yeah, and the mess with that trait on my sig, almost forgot.
    Now that trait actually makes Science damage dealing abilities dangerous when combined with Sensor Analysis and a Science captain.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    apparently the reputation torpedo will reduce ALL subsystem power to ZERO for SIX seconds.

    *edit*

    ok now its showing -6.3, its no loner implying it drains all energy, so nevermind

    And the necessary question, does it scale with flow caps?
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    And the necessary question, does it scale with flow caps?

    you would think.

    also on ground that tier 5 rep active only deals 308 damage, i think were safe, this is proboly a ground skill after all
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    also on ground that tier 5 rep active only deals 308 damage, i think were safe, this is proboly a ground skill after all

    heh, great, now we have an instant pop the engineer button. 308 base damage + Ambush (155% damage) + Target Optics (55% damage) + Strike Team II (+41% damage) + Motivation and/or Battle Strategies (25%) + Stealth Module (~27%).

    I'll need to track down the damage calculation formula again, but I suspect this ability will have enough power to one hit kill ground players using a tactical captain if used correctly. This may prove to be problematic. That said we should be getting a hit point boost on the ground with Delta Rising due to the expansion. We should be fine providing the new ability can't get beyond 1,400 damage fully buffed.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Whether that tier 5 power is ground or space, I think this fits it well:

    http://youtu.be/IQp7gtX4w0U?t=38s
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Oh yeah. Have you seen what the 4 piece space set power is?

    Tantalus field


    This going to be awesome
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Although the thought process was going to be that the next T5 Active would be Ground, that's not a very Ground sounding name is it?

    New Rom - Space (even though Omega had been around, S7 was called New Romulus)
    Omega - Ground
    Nukara - Space
    Dyson - Ground
    Undine - Space
    Something - Ground

    But that name...Concussive Tachyon Emission...if it were Concussive Tachyon Grenade, Concussive Tachyon Sandwich, whatever...but Emission, Emitters, it does sound Space, eh?

    Either somebody will grind there and let us know or a few weeks after release we might get a blog about it.
  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well, I might be in a small crowd here but I like the placate. I know it might have to be toned down, but something has to bring balance to the insane amount of DPS some players have. Being either I cloaked on and diving in less than 5 seconds might be fun for the victor, it is serverly aggravating for new players trying to break into space PvP. Don't get me wrong, I know good players can deny the vape and I amd not there yet, but some balance has to come into check. PvPers ask why PvE players hate PvP so much it is because of the shear unbalance of abilities that work for some classes and don't work for others, there is also a skill involved.

    Trust me I am not taken anything away from good PvP vapers, they have great timing and know when to go after a target. Either way something has to brought into check. The crit chance needs to be lowered and a lilting that don't work because of counter built into the skill tree. I am sorry but I am a firm beiever in a viral matrix or phaser proc working as described in the tooltip. If they need to be adjusted with time and have immunities after words I am fine with that.

    Something has to bring the DPS into check and if it is scramble sensor doff, AoE subnucs, placated, and disables that is fine. The one catch is everything needs to have a counter.
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    bwahahahaha %(..... n**bs :mad:
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    At first i was thinking.. "great, finally some new polaron weapons... time to try some new build on my jhas"... but just one second after I changed my mind: "placate? 1-.75^7 = .86... 86% to proc with an escort...and it's not the only way to placate your opponent... %$$%&&/!!!!!"

    STO pvp is actually stupid enough that a lot of player do not play it.... this way is definitelly a gravestone!

    RIP pvp!


    edit...
    not talking about another reputation.... grinding, grinding everywhere for everything...


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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Some of the devs went full ******.
    Never go full ******.


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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    eurialo wrote: »
    At first i was thinking.. "great, finally some new polaron weapons... time to try some new build on my jhas"... but just one second after I changed my mind: "placate? 1-.75^7 = .86... 86% to proc with an escort...and it's not the only way to placate your opponent... %$$%&&/!!!!!"

    STO pvp is actually stupid enough that a lot of player do not play it.... this way is definitelly a gravestone!

    RIP pvp!


    edit...
    not talking about another reputation.... grinding, grinding everywhere for everything...


    The fun in this game is quickly ending, unless your fun is grinding!

    Just to correct your math, it's not 1-0.75^7, but 1-0.975^7=0.162, or 16.2%.
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