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Phantom Intel Escort (vs T5 Defiant Retrofit) [no Fleet]
Hull: 31,350 (+1,350)
Shield: 0.9
Turn: 17
Inertia: 75 (+5)
Crew: 150 (+100)
BOFFs: 4, 3, 3, 2, 1 (+1 LtC engi, replaced ens tac w/ uni)
Consoles: 3, 2, 5 (+1 tac, capped at 5)
So basiaclly its a Defiant with more base HP and tighter handling, with more BOFF stations. Specifically a lot of room for LtC/Ens engineering so you can do something like EPtE1, EPtS1, AtD1, and RSP2, all at once. Fifth starship trait unlock provides CD reduction with every missed shot from your enemy, so you dont even need AtB if you are dogfighting at full speed.
After T6 fleet upgrade you will have 35k base hull, and 11 consoles
Its still really slow, but at least its got enough engi to keep itself alive
Hull: 31,350 (+1,350)
Shield: 0.9
Turn: 17
Inertia: 75 (+5)
Crew: 150 (+100)
BOFFs: 4, 3, 3, 2, 1 (+1 LtC engi, replaced ens tac w/ uni)
Consoles: 3, 2, 5 (+1 tac, capped at 5)
So basiaclly its a Defiant with more base HP and tighter handling, with more BOFF stations. Specifically a lot of room for LtC/Ens engineering so you can do something like EPtE1, EPtS1, AtD1, and RSP2, all at once. Fifth starship trait unlock provides CD reduction with every missed shot from your enemy, so you dont even need AtB if you are dogfighting at full speed.
After T6 fleet upgrade you will have 35k base hull, and 11 consoles
Its still really slow, but at least its got enough engi to keep itself alive
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T6 ships are idiotic, and nothing, truly nothing will ever make me change idea. Stupid ships meant for PvE heroes, waiting to see their shinies broken by the first skilled PvPer who sees them.
Except for the fact that they can all Subnuc. :P
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
The new Romulan Intel Escort and other Intel Escorts TRIBBLE have everything that all BoP's never had... more HP, Shields, Weapon Slots, etc... even a Sueprior Speed Mod. to a class of ships that was not made to Hit and Run... 0.22 vs BoP'S 0.20... What advantages BoP's have over them... slight Turn Rate? F'd up nerf'd Flanking in PvP??? what else, oh wait... none, because everything else is far beyond sub-par... nice Buff's to BoP's Cryptic... if u can called it that.
What is full of $h*t aswell that they mention T5-F U ships will remain competitive, i guess thats thrown out of the window with the unintended annoucemnet of the Fleet T6 ships that will come out shortly after DR comes out... so if u own any older classes designs of Ships from either Cryptic made or from the IP and there is no competitive version, u will be truely f'd in PvP against Fleet T6 ships.
On a side note. They really should have held off on fleet t6 announcements for a while because of what happened to the ar'kif. It's a great ship but sales sucked at first because there was no fleet version. Now that people know there's going to be fleet versions of these ships I think some people might hold off on buying them.
i figured tier 6 would have the duel LTC+ENS. that active scan thing looks troubling in pvp, sort of pointless in pve. its unfortunate that intel powers will be SO limited, to only certain stations on intel ships only. was hoping i could slot a bunch of intel powers on ships that have too much of 1 type of station power, on a galaxy R id put intel powers in half my eng slot.
regardless, intel cruisers win the intel game. even with a COM and LTC sci or tac, there's not much room to give anything up. on an eng ship you don't really need more then 5 eng skills, the rest can be used for intel powers with minimal opportunity cost.
what i really want to see are the normal tier 6 galaxy looking thing, that raptor thats suposed to have 5 fore weapons, and that light warcruiserbird
the level cap, and the new ship tiers, see the well has dried up sorta, the big cost for fleets, reputations, fleet ships, the money has already been spent on all of that. this expansion drops a whole new unprecedented wave of new pay for upgrades. a cost to recapture the competitiveness you currently have to upgrade your tier 5 to tier 5U, the superiority of tier 6 ships, that since they are better justify a higher base cost going forward, and a HUGE amount of time players will need to spent to basically regrind EVERYTHING they spent all these years grinding, and that each ship needs to be leveled individually.
they dress it up in this pretty delta quadrant adventure, but from a business standpoint it is what it is. they better hope more people are willing to pay again for everything they have now, to spend all that additional time grinding fleet marks or whatever for mk14, and pay more in the future, instead of hanging up their uniform in disgust at the whole thing.
The commander Intel skills... the nuke will be pointless... perhaps the one that boosts ACC may work out... only if it is in fact better then Omega 3 though. (which is doubtful to be honest).
I don't think many people noticed there is no mention of the escort +10 Defense boost.
It looks like all the T6 are missing part of there old ship class mechaincics. (no sensor ann / lite versions of cruiser commands / no escort bonus defense).
It doesn't have to use a console for cloak... so vs Fleet defiant T5U its = there.
Over all I don't think these are all that obnoxious. Its pretty much a newer version of a defiant... with a new gimick in trade for some defense value. Boff seating wise hard to say yet with out seeing the real specifics on ALL the intel skills. I can see people running these though with only 1-2 low level Intel skills and perhaps none at all.
i couldn't tell if those were typos or what. a sci ship without SA is just a gimped cruiser, i cant believe they would consider launching a sci ship without that. trash the subsystem targeting instead
Its what it pays for the new gimmick... makes sense to me really though. The cruisers have no healing auras either. The escort likely pays the least with all the other ways to boost defense.
I don't know we wanted to all feel like our T5Us where not pointless... and I think this is part of what makes them viable.
The T6 intel ships are really there own class is the thinking... and I would have almost prefered they just remove the idea of cruiser commands and even the sci sub targeting.... I mean this new Intel stuff is supposed to be there thing. Just change the types of "Exploit" skills all 3 of the classes gets. (I imagine that opens up all sorts of KDF and Rom QQ though over not having a trinity of ships to choose) lol
Impulse modifier of .22 it is going to be "faster" than any other fed escort out there. You also forgot to mention the +5 bonus power T6 ships get as well as the Expose / Exploit mechanic, and the lance console.
Not only does this thing outclass a defiant in hull and shield hit points. It is faster, makes tighter turns, has more subsystem power, has an extra LTC. ability, and does more damage. It also provides greater flexibility in boff seating and has an integrated cloak, which when compared to the defiant means +1 console slot.
But don't worry, they are "taking care of us" and T5-U will still be "competitive".
they all get that active intel thing. having no cruiser commands entirely still wouldn't be an even trade for no SA on a sci ship imo. i would say give the sci Intel ship another weapon and call it even, but i don't think it has more then a LT tac. universal ENS for tac wont help with running 4 DHCs any ether, you would need to AtB it to even consider it, but its a ship with a COM sci so thats more then half TRIBBLE.
and defense score grows on trees these days, but just being able to skirt the edge of combat is more effective then a bit more evasion. if they took that away from escorts that would again be a more even trade, give it a cruiser impulse mod or something. but then its just to gimped to be taken seriously.
Im my concern is not T5-U ships vs T6 ships, its T5-U ships vs Fleet T6 ships...
When they say they gonna come out with Fleet T6 ships some time after DR will be release, this automatically hands down made T5-F U ships totally obsolete...
So what will Fleet T6 ships will have? most likely another console, 10% bonus Hull, 10% more Shields, etc... Cryptic never mention about the older ships competitive versions to counter these Fleet T6 except T5-F U will remain competitive vs T6 and nothing mention against Fleet T6's... and these Fleet T6 ships will not only have the same stats if not far better than Fleet level T5-F U ships, but will have the bonus gimmicks that comes with it and it will exterminate any T5-F U ships in the PvP battlefield.
My other concern is that these ships have Cloaks which will hugely change the dynamic of PvP in the game... are they serious Feds with intergrated Cloaks? Battle Cloaks with all Intel KDF ships? and bunch of Rommies intel ships with Enhance Battle Cloaks??? yes there are a few of them now just imagine how many more new intel ships will get in the future.... like 10 Romulan Intel Ship classes with the ability to use Sci abilties, Heals, use Torpedo, Mines while cloaked that will make them more powerful with their OP Boff's bullshyt space traits that can make them cloak within 10 sec TRIBBLE.
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
t5u ships will not be competitive... for sure against fleet t6 ships. t5u ships will be very good only for pve.
but most important, IMHO I can't see how a kdf pvp team can be competitive having only that t6 battlecruiser.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
And then you read on and realize that they talk about Fleet Versions of Tier 6 ships, and realize that the usual buffs a Fleet upgrade brings to a ship will remove all drawbacks Tier 6 ships had compared to Fleet Tier 5Us, and leave only the advantages.
Oh, and regards some bonuses usually elementary to ships. Don't discount the possibility that they are just accidentally omitted or forgotten to mention. At least yesterday, the Tier 6 Science Vessel had 2nd Lt.Cmdr Engineering (likely a typo), and I don't remember the escort bonus defense being mentioned in most escort write-ups.
There is a T6 raptor that may be detailed tommorow. Todays details where on the NEW Intelligence ship class.
If not tommorow soon we will get details on a few more.
Also after launch there will be more T6 releases (not all will be intelligence ships)... + new lockboxes now doubt.
By the time we get Fleet T6... there should be a new wave of Cstore T6... many of which will likely be updates of old ships.
There is also always a possibility for a T5U+ some time after launch... perhaps when T6 Fleet hits... we will also be seeing SOME (not likely all) T5Us get the option to bump again (perhaps lockboxes and a select few fleet models or something)
Bottom line Cryptic wants us upgrading our ships at least once every 1-2 ship cycles. Really though its been that way for 4 years now... its not new.
the raptor is not "intel" and frankly I do not belive giving more hull and shields is the solution to be competitive in pvp. Pvp is not simply a matter of hull/shields and pvp... you know. And by the way, still kdf is also missing a intel t6 science vessell.
more upgrade to t5 ships? no thanks... I think kdf need a new set of ships, several ships.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
i predict for the next anniversary event, tier 6 ody/bort/scimitar, though the rom flagship should be a Haakona, not a scimitar. i sorta doubt they will give a scimitar with 13 station powers away for free
of course followed by a 3/9 pack of each at tier 6 FLEET level
Your predictions make me feel miserable. The anniversary where we get to "celebrate" by grinding for a useless ship. Although I doubt that it will be T6, T5U seems far more likely.
Business is business, after all.
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