Cryptic, now is the best time to release a Negh'var Refit and K'vort Class BOP

knuhteb5

Edit: I would like to start brainstorming on a KDF TNG C-store Superpack. It would include things like a T6 Negh'var and T6 K'vort, Dahar Master Jacket for guys, K'Ehleyr's sexy red leather outfit for girls, etc. Please post anything from the TNG era that you think would be included in such a thing. I think this is appropriate since Cryptic's new pattern seems to be releasing content in large packs.


Cryptic, now is the perfect time to release a Negh'var refit and a K'vort class BOP.


T6 Negh'var refit:

44,000 Hull

Shield Modifier: 1.15

Crew: 2000

Weapons: 4, 4

Consoles: 4/5/2

BOFF Seating: Lt. Comm. Tac /Comm. Eng/ Lt. Eng/Lt. Sci

Turn-rate: 9

Bonus Power: +10 Engines, +10 Weapons

Special Weapon: Disruptor Lance

Standard Cloak

Primary Lore Reasons for it's inclusion: The retrofit negh'var didn't cut the mustard and the mogh just isn't tough enough. The Klingons really need to intimidate their enemies with a bad mother battle cruiser and this refit fits the bill. If you were to reskin it, don't do it too fancy and do something a la Koro't'inga with it.


T6 K'vort Class BOP:

37,000 Hull

Shield Modifier: .99

Crew: 1000

Weapons: 5, 2

Consoles: 5/3/3

Boff Seating: Univ Comm, 1 Univ. Lt Comm., 2 Univ Lt., 1 Univ. Ensign

Turn-rate: 13

Regular Battle Cloak

Primary Lore Reasons for it's inclusion: The old k'vorts from the TNG era were nimble yet very tough birds of prey. One of them arguably could have taken on a D'deridex. These need to be brought back since the smaller, yet more agile birds of prey aren't always able to withstand the pounding the many enemies of the empire dish out.


Ground weapons to be included in the pack:
Mek'leth
D'ktahg


Costumes:
Dahar Master Coat
K'Ehleyr's red leather outfit from TNG S2 E20: "The Emissary"
Lursa/B'etor Klingon Dress Variants

wilbor2

Im all for a updated BOP but it has to have a battle cloak or i wont buy it its why i wont be buying the new T6 raptor. My kdf tac is BOP captain because i love the DS9 episodes with martok n his BOP. The only other ship im interested in KDF side is a SCI one for my SCI cat which they have not brought out (no shock there).

caltair

I think the K'Vort would be an excellent idea! I loved those ships from TNG even more than the B'Rel class. I think they were basically supposed to be a cross between a regular BoP and a Heavy Cruiser so that would be a perfect fit between the Raptor's and Cruisers that we currently have on STO.

I appreciate that you are keeping the strictly universal BOff stations on the K'Vort from the BoP line. That flexibility could allow a K'Vort to play as a better Science ship than most other Klingon ships.

For ground missions though I would recommend the other two blades Klingons love so much. I don't remember the names but the three pronged knife and the batleth modelled sword that Worf loved so much (ST: First Contact etc). We could also add pain sticks for ground combat...

Klingon Knife:
It's small and is great for close quarters combat against a single foe (whereas the batleth can affect other opponents who are close enough). Give it a smaller dps count but add a poison effect.

doffingcomrade

knuhteb5 wrote: »

Primary Lore Reasons for it's inclusion: The retrofit negh'var didn't cut the mustard and the mogh just isn't tough enough.

I think I sporfled my drink at this. If the Mogh got any tougher, it would be indestructible!

knuhteb5

wilbor2 wrote: »

Im all for a updated BOP but it has to have a battle cloak or i wont buy it its why i wont be buying the new T6 raptor. My kdf tac is BOP captain because i love the DS9 episodes with martok n his BOP. The only other ship im interested in KDF side is a SCI one for my SCI cat which they have not brought out (no shock there).

I would tend to agree; a battle cloak is a make or break item for a bop especially since the bop heavily relies on a surprise attack with it's forward arc turned towards the enemy.

caltair wrote: »

I think the K'Vort would be an excellent idea! I loved those ships from TNG even more than the B'Rel class. I think they were basically supposed to be a cross between a regular BoP and a Heavy Cruiser so that would be a perfect fit between the Raptor's and Cruisers that we currently have on STO.

I appreciate that you are keeping the strictly universal BOff stations on the K'Vort from the BoP line. That flexibility could allow a K'Vort to play as a better Science ship than most other Klingon ships.

For ground missions though I would recommend the other two blades Klingons love so much. I don't remember the names but the three pronged knife and the batleth modelled sword that Worf loved so much (ST: First Contact etc). We could also add pain sticks for ground combat...

Klingon Knife:
It's small and is great for close quarters combat against a single foe (whereas the batleth can affect other opponents who are close enough). Give it a smaller dps count but add a poison effect.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D%27k_tahg

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Mek%27leth

I believe the first contact one is called a mek'leth while the three pronged one is called a D'k tahg. And yes, those would be badass additions that I would certainly want in any klingon pack.

doffingcomrade wrote: »

I think I sporfled my drink at this. If the Mogh got any tougher, it would be indestructible!

You didn't think I was exaggerating, did you? :P

ddemlong

With the completely messed up crew aspect right now I would limit crew size on the Kvort to 500.

caltair

thanks Knuteb5, i appreciate the references!

ddemlong, i agree about the crew size for the K'Vort, 500 does sound more typical for a BoP, for a large one.

I'm not sure if something was edited or not but when I look at the first post, the description says the K'Vort would have a "Regular Battle Cloak".... Probably to distinguish from the Enhanced Battle Cloak. Oh please don't put that "enhanced" thing on another ship.... idk about anyone else but i hate that thing...

virusdancer

caltair wrote: »

I'm not sure if something was edited or not but when I look at the first post, the description says the K'Vort would have a "Regular Battle Cloak".... Probably to distinguish from the Enhanced Battle Cloak. Oh please don't put that "enhanced" thing on another ship.... idk about anyone else but i hate that thing...

Just a FYI, the T6 Faeht Intel Warbird (Rom) will have a REBC...

dknight0001

Just because you have an Enhanced Battle Cloak doesn't mean you need to be a Torpedo Bomber.

virusdancer

dknight0001 wrote: »

Just because you have an Enhanced Battle Cloak doesn't mean you need to be a Torpedo Bomber.

Folks tend to underestimate the sheer number of abilities that you can use while cloaked and the tactical options that provides you both for yourself and those on your team...they see EBC and think, oh - torp boat, meh - when there's so much more that can be done with it.

orangeitis

knuhteb5 wrote: »

Cryptic, now is the best time to release a Negh'var Refit and K'vort Class BOP

How do you know they won't be?

terloki

I have been waiting for a Negh'Var refit ever since the Regent came out. Honestly I don't care if all they do is reskin that ship, give it a cloak, and add the ability to mount dual cannons. Heck, I would LOVE for them to do that, because the Regent flies like a dream and has that sweet 180 degree torpedo launcher.

rodentmaster

orangeitis wrote: »

How do you know they won't be?

Experience. Cold, hard, BITTER, experience.

Cryptic doesn't care about the KDF unless it's a copy/paste of a fed ship or it's a ship intended to be stolen by the feds. To acutally make a KDF retrofit/refit... JUST for the KDF? HAH. Never.


NEVAR!!!!

EDIT: Although, strictly speaking, shouldn't it go to a Vor'Cha Refit, not a Negh'Var Refit? Seems the Vor'Cha was more analogous to the Assault Cruiser.

knuhteb5

rodentmaster wrote: »

Experience. Cold, hard, BITTER, experience.

Cryptic doesn't care about the KDF unless it's a copy/paste of a fed ship or it's a ship intended to be stolen by the feds. To acutally make a KDF retrofit/refit... JUST for the KDF? HAH. Never.


NEVAR!!!!

EDIT: Although, strictly speaking, shouldn't it go to a Vor'Cha Refit, not a Negh'Var Refit? Seems the Vor'Cha was more analogous to the Assault Cruiser.

This thread is just a proposal and there is no guarantee that it will happen. That being said, I don't want this thread to turn into a giant flamefest and doomsayers party. If you have grievances against Cryptic, please start your own thread as this thread is exclusively about the proposal and brainstorming ideas, not about it's chances for success.

With respect to your comment about a vorcha refit, I don't see as great a need for a vorcha refit since the fleet T5U Torkhat is pretty adequate considering it has a slightly better turnrate than the neghvar as well as a better bridge office layout. Hypothetically speaking, what improvements do you think should be made to the fleet torkhat?

knuhteb5

Ok, I added in Lursa and b'etors klingon dress to the original post. Any other suggestions for Klingon weapons or uniforms besides what we have?

farmallm

I been wanting the K'Vort for a long time. During one of the Podcast they told they didn't want to do a K'Vort. Since it would be a B'Rel supersized. However they did say about a possible new ship to use as a K'Vort. Soon as I get my KDF tac up to Lv50, her Bird of Prey will be called the K'Vort in honor of that class. So at least I will have my K'Vort Bird of Prey.

The Negh'var refit would be awesome. Its much needed since the Feds have refits about every ship. The sky is the limit on what they could do with it. The best version yet is the Mirror version. On that one they did up the Tac.

caltair

I can understand Cryptic's worry about simply making a supersized B'rel... even though that's kinda exactly what it is.... but i think it would fill a void in the Klingon fleet that we sorely need. I'd almost suggest redoing the ship model to modernize it but i'm not impressed with the models for most of the custom cryptic klingon ships.... the klingons were always as blunt in their designs as a dagger, elegant in a vicious kind of way, the cryptic ships don't seem to follow that philosophy in my mind.
I would rather have a supersized B'rel that functions almost like a destroyer or battle cruiser with the advantages of a BoP than trust cryptic to remodel the ship.
i'm sorry about my grammer and punction etc. i'm really sleepy lol

tksmitty

T6 Negh'var?

5/3 weapons and 5/4/2 consoles?

caltair

Maybe a T6 BoP too. One that capitalizes on ST Generations. That BoP managed to destroy the Enterprise because they matched their weapons to her exact shield frequency. Maybe after 40+ years the Klingons will have developed a way to enhance that one time advantage.
It could be a special unremovable weapon slot like some of the special weapons on C-Store ships (e.g. Tempest Railgun), a torpedo weapon that scans the target for shield frequencies adding additional shield penetration and hull damage. It could have stats similar to a Transphasic. I'm thinking 3000 Kinetic Very Rare, with 30% shield piercing and have the piercing effect count as a proc.
By the way, it's always bugged me that in the show and movies, Klingon torpedoes were always green but here in STO they are cookie cutter Starfleet red. I would love to see proper green torpedoes! I don't care if we have to make a whole new torpedo that isn't a photon specifically for Klingons. I know it'll never happen but one can dream!

angrytarg

I'm all for new canon designs. Just want to add that the k'Vort is not a BOP but a full blown battlecruiser. The thing is almost the size and mass of a Galaxy class starship. Just because they used the model doesn't mean they serve the same purpose.

jaguarskx

I definitely would like a T6 BoP... Hegh'ta Refit??? It would be great for my KDF Tac toon.

I would also like a T6 Negh'var refit. My KDF Engineer toon flies the mirror version. In a few ways I like it even more than the free T5 Assault Cruiser my Fed Engineer because it is pretty maneuverable.

oakland4life

The two ships that Geko don't want to deal with... since he's anti-KDF.


The K'vort, when questioned on the podcast over year ago about a possible release of the K'vort on STO, Geko says: ''The K'vort? is the K'vort a larger B'rel? I will not add a larger B'rel in the game!''

The Negh'var retrofit for the C-Store which 2 years ago Cryptic says they were working on... 2 years later still nowhere in sight...

Nice Job Geko... *cough* *cough*

caltair

does geko even know star trek? the k'vort is much more than a big b'rel...

orangeitis

rodentmaster wrote: »

Experience. Cold, hard, BITTER, experience.

Cryptic doesn't care about the KDF unless it's a copy/paste of a fed ship or it's a ship intended to be stolen by the feds. To acutally make a KDF retrofit/refit... JUST for the KDF? HAH. Never.


NEVAR!!!!

EDIT: Although, strictly speaking, shouldn't it go to a Vor'Cha Refit, not a Negh'Var Refit? Seems the Vor'Cha was more analogous to the Assault Cruiser.

...but they've been releasing new refits and retrofits constantly. Didn't you "experience" those? Or are you cherry-picking only the bad stuff?