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So T6 a joke mostly ?
antoniosalieri
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So it seems we may have miss read that very well crafted bit of English that was the T5 Upgrade blog.
It seems the ONLY way to you can run an intel boff on the T6 ships is if you trade your commander slot for it. (and it doesn't seem the T6s are going to be dual commander... it doesn't seem)
So if this is true then the T6 can choose to slot an Intel officer at the expensive of things like Omega 3 / SIF 3 / Sci commander skills ect.
Also on things like science ships they are saying good bye to many of the heal options. (or any type of standard Sci CC).
If I am understanding what Bort has said now properly... it seems like the entire Intel stuff really is the pointless bell and whistle show that Geko suggested.
Are people in agreement with me... or am I missing something else now.
It seems to me like... T6 means +1 bridge officer skill at the expense of one console slot that a T5U would have. In which case they are a complete wash. (apart from having cloaking on all of the fed options)
It seems the ONLY way to you can run an intel boff on the T6 ships is if you trade your commander slot for it. (and it doesn't seem the T6s are going to be dual commander... it doesn't seem)
So if this is true then the T6 can choose to slot an Intel officer at the expensive of things like Omega 3 / SIF 3 / Sci commander skills ect.
Also on things like science ships they are saying good bye to many of the heal options. (or any type of standard Sci CC).
If I am understanding what Bort has said now properly... it seems like the entire Intel stuff really is the pointless bell and whistle show that Geko suggested.
Are people in agreement with me... or am I missing something else now.
It seems to me like... T6 means +1 bridge officer skill at the expense of one console slot that a T5U would have. In which case they are a complete wash. (apart from having cloaking on all of the fed options)
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We are told that T6 ships will have 1 more Boff power than T5, so the intelligence slot could be an upgraded Lt Comm slot; so 2 commander seats instead of just 1.
Still would be stupid to run it.
Thing about it...
Intel Commander
Tac Commander
Engi Lt
Sci Lt
Uni Ensign
Or
Intel Commander
Engi Commander
Tac Lt
Sci Lt
Ensign Uni
Or
Intel Commander
Sci Commander
Tac Lt
Engi Lt
Ensign uni
Would you take that into PvP ? and expect to live ? Or kill anything ?
The only options will be the Science ship with an Intel boff in it for PvP. Even then its going to have to trade a ton of heals to run those new skills... or run None of the current CC / Sci Dmg abilities at all. The second one being perhaps a romulan torp boat replacement for the varo... really will depend on the actual boff setup in the case of the torp boat though.
As I see it perhaps there is room on a team for one science ship running an intelligence commander... not really anything more then that.
The fear of team wide AOE sub nukes is just not a reality. (unless what bort said is way off... I doubt it, he should have a better idea then we do)
So based on that like you say the most OP case is dual commanders with one being an optional intel boff... still makes leaves these ships lacking... unless they are adding some super OP Intel boff heals its just not worth running them.
At this point it seems you can choose to have +1 console... or +1 boff skill. At that point T5U vs T6 is pretty much a wash. Unless that ship mastery trait is so overwhelmingly OP that it can't be ignored. Because the Intel boffs can be it seems.
And, you know, just saying cause its worth saying, Bort was insisting that fleet kits would be the same thing for the same money before/after the change when all the players on Tribble were saying the opposite.
Thank you. You're reading that correctly.
As the Dev Blogs for each of these features get published (New Boffs, New Ship Stats, etc) it will all become clearer.
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I guess I'll just stop commenting till I see stats.
I think I understand it now... you can run any commander skill your ship has or any Intel skill in that commander slot instead. Ok
So in that case it really is T6 or bust again most likely.
All well guess for random space ship games I have two and one half other options out there now. Granted I don't have as much invested in them... but sounds like I'm clean slate now anyway, makes it easier to choose one.
If it follows rep and captain traits, 4 will cover your role and that fifth may be used for supplementary
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
T6 unlocks the trait at level 5. Once unlocked one can use it on a t5u ship. That was in the dev blog.
Wait, it unlocks a trait...not a trait slot?
Where is this blog...
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
ugh..now I have to go looking...
well I may have read it wrong but here,
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133-tier-5-starship-upgrades
Hrmmm...
...was said because of there being some confusion about what L5 did.
It's not unlocking a trait slot, it's an actual trait unlock.
Thanks VD!!!!
Yeah, the little table they've got could be confusing. Starship Trait: No. It should probably say Starship Trait Unlock: No. Though they do have the lil' bit...
...for the Starship Mastery, Gorn still had to post his other thing cause of the confusion.
They do have the Q&A at the bottom of that blog saying...
For the info on the Starship Traits, have to go back to the T6 blog...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
...and then the later stuff makes more sense, imho.
"Wait, the Feds have four ships while the KDF/Rom only have two...but we've got four slots?!?!"
I hate you so much......
Why not just have t5-u have 5 mastery levels...nvm I know the answer, cash over efficiency
And now I need to know what this damn trait does...
Thanks for the info VD
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
There I go assuming awesome additions again....
Why is so much info left out with a month to go...should just be fine tuning as it were....bah
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
T6 ships seem to come with a unique trait to unlock at level 5 that can be used by any T5U or T6 ship.
Each T6 and T5U ship seems to have a set of traits you can slot.
The intel boff gives you a 13th boff ability vs the 12 that T5U have, BUT
T5U ships get an extra 11th console.
Some ship traits will come in lockboxes (like everything else premium in this game).
Does that cover everything?
That could be confusing to some...cause you don't slot them, based on what's been said. They're just unlocked on the ship. You have no choice in what they are - they're tied to the ships unlike the Starship Traits.
A Battle Cruiser will have 4 passives.
An Escort will have 4 passives.
You can't use the Battle Cruiser passives on the Escort, cause the passives are tied to the ship.
The Starship Trait that you unlock from a T6 Battle Cruiser by getting Starship Mastery to level 5 can be used on the Escort though, much like if you reverse that and get level 5 on a T6 Escort you can use that Starship Trait on the Battle Cruiser.
The Starship Traits are tied to you...the Starship Mastery Passives are tied to the ship.
True, I should clarified that - cause at this point we don't know what the actual categories will be...don't know if an Intel Cruiser (Eclipse) will have a different trait compared to the Cruiser (Guardian) or if the Intel Cruiser is just a Cruiser as far as that goes.
Heh, so much wait and see....wheeeeeee!
Part of Gorngonzolla's reply in the T5 Upgrade threadnaught. Q added links to replies to the OP of the thread.
T6 aren't an upgrade of endgame T5 ships (10 console), Standard T6 ships are upgrades of Standard T5 (9 console) ships...
...hence their mention of the T5-U (11 console) ships not being worse - not being obsolete, etc, etc, etc.
There hasn't been any mention by the devs of Fleet-level T6 that I've seen. Do folks expect it? Sure, but I haven't seen Cryptic mention it.
There are 4 ship trait slots, all unlock at 50 (they are on Tribble now), and you can use them right away if you have traits to put in them from somewhere *cough*LOCKBOX*cough*. T6 ships when you hit mastery level 5 you unlock one from them as well. T5Us do not give you a trait, which is the biggest difference between them and T6s.
I am under the impression from the blogs that ship mastery levels are NOT related to character levels. You need to level up each ship separately, and it is a separate leveling system from your character's level. So if you get the pack and want to get all 4 ship traits from the feds, you have to level up each ship, not just get to 60 with your toon.
That seems logical... could be there solution to having half or more of the players simply leveling with doff missions. lol
The T6 ship master thing may really not be a big deal... pretty much just have another trait that you may not care about at all.. the best ones will likely be in the lockboxes anyway.
Yeah it is confusing. Too many things are called a trait now. Two people can be discussing traits and both be talking about two different things. Maybe Cryptic could call the ship passives feats because they are earned. IDK.
I'm rambling now but when Cryptic doesn't give information, people speculate which usually leads to DOOOOOMMMMM!!! When Cryptic does give us information, people get confused sifting through all the info which usually leads to DOOOOOMMMMM!!!
Heh, personally I prefer when they don't give us info until they give us info rather than giving us vague (or cryptic) info...cause with no info, just a name or something - sure, folks will speculate all over the place and might argue about their speculation. It's another thing when Cryptic tells us something and we're arguing about what they told us...eh? Like...huh?
Cryptic: It's wet outside.
Tom: Cryptic says it's raining.
Jerry: No, Cryptic said the snow melted.
Tom: What snow? They didn't say anything about snow.
Jerry: They didn't say it was raining either, buddy.
Tom: Makes more sense than that dumbass comment about snow.
Jerry: Dumbass would be thinking they said it's raining when they didn't.
Tom: They didn't say it was snowing either, duh.
And how many pages long is that T5-U thread again?