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cadfael71
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So now I've been playing maybe a month and I have two level 50's and four toons I'm playing with for a change of pace. I was going to get a zen ship for one of my level 50's -- D'd retrofit for my Rom engineer because I love the lines of that ship (currently flying a Ha'apax).
I started a Caitan Fed engineer just to fly the Atrox carrier but I'm not really leveling him because of all the talk about the insufficiency of the T5u path. I guess the Varanus giveaway will take care of the issue of the low level KDF sic toon I haven't played as much for just the same reason.
There's also a couple of Lobi ships I really like: the Tholian Recluse (iirc) for my Fed Eng and the Adapted Rom Battle Cruiser for my Rom engineer. I've got about 550 LC from opening those stinking boxes.
My plan has been to just wait and see what the second wave of the T6 ships brings or if there's a change of course. So what would you suggest a new player do in my shoes regarding buying ships.
I started a Caitan Fed engineer just to fly the Atrox carrier but I'm not really leveling him because of all the talk about the insufficiency of the T5u path. I guess the Varanus giveaway will take care of the issue of the low level KDF sic toon I haven't played as much for just the same reason.
There's also a couple of Lobi ships I really like: the Tholian Recluse (iirc) for my Fed Eng and the Adapted Rom Battle Cruiser for my Rom engineer. I've got about 550 LC from opening those stinking boxes.
My plan has been to just wait and see what the second wave of the T6 ships brings or if there's a change of course. So what would you suggest a new player do in my shoes regarding buying ships.
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Might as well put your money into a T4 sihp hoping that it will be put on par later
A T5-U should be able to be useful in a level 60 environment but it won't be the best if you are the kind of person who likes to have the top-of-the-line ship to use...
(and now I'll just duck and wait for the enevitable flaming for not being angry at cryptic about T5-U)
T6 doesn't actually obsolete T5 except for PvPers - right now, you could take a T1 ship and do everything except certain Elite PvE queues with it and not hamper your team, so a current T5 will probably be ok for level 60 PvE. I very much doubt that Cryptic will make average DPS required for Elite content go from ~3k today to best part of ten times that so that T5s are challenged - as their metrics show, the average player is so bad even 3k DPS seems massive to them.
PvP is an entirely different thing altogether, and that unbalanced mess (if IMO, best part of STO despite the unbalanced mess) involves so few people at any level that it is essentially ignorable.
Other than that I would just grind dilithium to be exchange for Zen. Grinding dil is pretty easy at max level especially for the KDF.
For instance, I don't see my Rom tact flying anything other than the D'Deridex. I have the Scimitar (I fly it on another toon) which is more powerful and would make any scenario much easier than with the D'Deridex but I won't let the D'D go.
I'll give you the same advice I give everyone; If you have your eye on something that really appeals to you, go ahead and get it. Get what you need, when you need/want. Nothing T5 is going to "obsolete" or "useless" once DR rolls out. True it will not be "top of the line" but, that really doesn't matter since it will be sufficient to play and complete all the content.
If you are a PvP'er or one of those that just has to have the top of line best shinies, you're probably better off waiting.
Also, a D'd retro can be upgraded to T5U and depending on how you read things, may end up being better than the first wave of T6's.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
T6 ships will have an extra starship trait slot. T5u will get them as well but one less
Some T6 ships will have a seat for an intelligence boff that grants a boff ability. Based on the names of said abilities, it looks suspiciously like boosting power levels...but that hasn't been officially released so we don't have all the info yet
Fleet T5u ships will have an extra console slot, more hull, wider selection of boff seat selection(this point never seems to come up), and ships with 5 fore weapons; the t6 ships haven't been released but it's a safe bet that non will have 5 fore weapon slots. But the first batch of t6 ships may not have favorable boff settings)
I'd lean to that a f/LB/L T5u ship with the preferred boff seating will simply prove more effective then T6 ships.
Also consider that not all t6 ships will have the ability to slot a special boff...which means it's not part of the hard definition of t6.
In my final words of the matter....if you see a fleet version, lobi, or lockbox ship that has the perfect console/boff/weapon layout and you enjoy the design. Get it...it will serve you well through DR.
Cheers. And there is speculation in this post...i don't know for sure what the t6 ships will look like for weapons/boff seats/consoles(there may not be 5 tactical consoles at release), or what specifically intelligence officers will do...so my final point may change as more info is released
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Time will only tell!
T6 also gets an upgrade path, so in a few more weeks when you get an 11-console version of the T6 ship, it will have the same 10% buff to hull/shields, and your half-upgrade to T5 will be seen for what it really was. IMO, T5 ships are like credit card debt, a chance to give away your money that only appeals to poor and/or stupid people.
do not spend lobi on anything that can be bought with ec. if you sit down and do the math you will see that youre spending way more by going the lobi route than you would if you simply sold the keys for ec.
use the lobi to buy the consoles and whatnot that cant be bought for ec.
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+1.
Lobi items are far too expensive. If you have patience, just keep saving EC. Buying a ship with lobi crystals is always a waste, unless you desperately want that ship for any unknown reason. If you waste 800 lobi on a ship, maybe you will not be able to gather that ammount of lobi in a couple of years again. Not unless you of course waste a lot of money opening boxes (you are one of those guys..) and if thats the case, then forget everything we said about lobi lol.
This, and also, don't buy anything until Delta Rising is out.
Maybe there will be Tier6 lobi ships incoming too with the next lockbox.
BUT there is another thing, if there is a ship that you just want and will enjoy then buy the damn thing. You'll get plenty of use out of it in the next month and a half. If it will make the game more fun for you than that is the most important consideration.
planned obsolecense is what has sucked the fun out of it
You are clearly one for whom big numbers means more than flavor. For you, waiting is the right choice. You are not everyone, however. Some people play the game in a way that let's them have fun even if another guy is more powerful.
For example, the existence of major league ball doesn't stop me from enjoying a quick game with friends. That a master poker player could strip me of all my cash easily doesn't prevent me from having fun when I do play. And someone's 40+k DPs scimitar doesn't take a single scrap of pleasure away from my flaming red plasma ball in my tvaro, or the death Star laser of my gauramba. Neither one is optimal today, neither one was optimal they day they came out, but they are fun and always will be.
If not, you can still pick up a T5 later.
Thats what Im doing. Ive got 5500 zen stacked up, just waiting for the information.
Either way, I'm gonna hoard my riches till the next ship sale. Maybe thats an option you should consider? If you save up enough, and then splurge it during a ship sale you could probably get two ships instead of one.
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+1 on this, for sure. Unless you just LOVE the ship or the special console that comes on it, you are wasting your money. At most, you'll get it to "Tier 5.9" after paying Cryptic $5-$10 MORE to do so.
What I would do is Wait for a ship Sale, Buy some zen during bonus zen events when I can afford to and set aside half my Dilithium that I earn during the day's play to convert to Zen until the Ship sale comes up that lets you get the discount on what ever ships you wanted.
I will often put my Dil up for zen at 100 dil per zen and then cancel the offer while the rate is at the 175+ range so that it is tucked away where I can't Accidently spend it on things like lag clicking to complete the crafting projects early while in a hurry to get everything started. If you see a huge drop in the cost of Zen watch for it to start going back up and buy as much as you can and start saving dil up again.
Any thing worth you spending your money on for an aesthetic or RP reason in a game like this is not truly a waste if you enjoy the item purchased. A waste is buying something just because it is the best and then not liking it at all only to use it because it is the best. Sorry if that doesn't make much sense my mind started to wander off on me part way through this seeing as how it is late at night here.
And who are you to judge people. So if someone prefers to fly a ship they like instead of buying a new ship they are either poor or stupid. Its people like you that give humans a bad name.
see this makes me facepalm for all of u people none of the ships are a waste or obsolete and there are ships that u can upgrade for FREE T6 is not gonna be the overpowered ship people are thinking it well be for one pvp is dead lets just let it go,
You people need to stop speading bad info about ships. Its really annoying and confusing for new players. T5 ships are not going to useless in any way buy pvp maybe. You pvper's need to grow up.
On the opening boxes thing - it depends, ultimately, on what you're doing with everything the box offers:
To wit, I bought the Recluse many moons ago. With Lobi. All them DOff packs I got loaded my main down with purples and the rest got fed to the starbase. I won a couple of grand prize ships, which I timed to "sell high" on, which financed 2 tufflis and a chunk of the EC goods that the starbase desired. Bonus Marks were loved, bonus FCs get turned into either "free" marks via buying extra mark bonus packs or into the fancy provisions. Bonus CXPs helped me reach Development 4, cap it, and convert into over 500 marks during the recent event. Rich Dil tickets will keep me in massive funding on Dil weekends for quite a while now...
For me, all that stuff found a use, and isn't rotting...
Others, I understand, will start a round of boxes on their own. Sell everything but the Lobi that comes from the boxes, converting that into EC to grab more box stuff with, going on like that till either they get their stuff, or run out of money and need to top it off again...
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Hopefully, the devs release at least a dumpy, ghetto Tier 6 for free at launch so we can see what the fuss is all about. Until then, I'll keep saving my dilithiums.
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Hey! If you see me in a PvP match you'll know from my constant exploding that I'm not a pvper!
But if someone's going to spend real money on a ship they think is 'max level' they should realize that it won't be for long. If they just want that ship and don't care to have a 'max level' ship then go ahead and spend your money.
T5 will be as 'useless' as T4 ships are now.
(Take that sentence however you like.)