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Fed Sci and Rom Sci-anything they can use that comes close to a Sci Karfi?

stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Klingon Discussion
Hey everybody,

I've been playing my KDF Sci Karfi that is build up as a torpedo boat. And i really like how the ship is put together. Two hangars so that helps out my dps. A LCdr Tac and an Lt Tac so i can have two TT1, APB1, THY2 and TS3. And the Cdr Sci which allows me to slot GW3, TR2 (or another GW) and ES.


I've been looking for a Fed or maybe for a Rom equivalent ship because i just prefer their faction better (I like new ESD and the Academy better). The only thing i think comes close is the Dyson Recon Science Destroyer in Tac mode. The Tac boff stations are higher then i would have preferred but i can still have the same skills i used before. But i would end up with GW1 and i wont be able to run TR2 or a duplicate GW. I could get the boff layout i want in Science mode but then i go from 4/3 to 3/3 and i really wanted to have 4/3 to match my Karfi weapon layout. I lose out on the hangar pets too but the Recon ship has 4 tac consoles vs the Karfis 3 so that makes up for it a little bit.


I've been looking on gamepedia...but are there any ships that i may be overlooking for Fed and Rom? i have the Caitian but i dont want it, so anything else other then that?
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Xindi-Aquatic_Narcine_Dreadnought_Carrier

    Only thing that fits your bill
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

    My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,497 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stonewbie wrote: »
    Hey everybody,

    I've been playing my KDF Sci Karfi that is build up as a torpedo boat. And i really like how the ship is put together. Two hangars so that helps out my dps. A LCdr Tac and an Lt Tac so i can have two TT1, APB1, THY2 and TS3. And the Cdr Sci which allows me to slot GW3, TR2 (or another GW) and ES.


    I've been looking for a Fed or maybe for a Rom equivalent ship because i just prefer their faction better (I like new ESD and the Academy better). The only thing i think comes close is the Dyson Recon Science Destroyer in Tac mode. The Tac boff stations are higher then i would have preferred but i can still have the same skills i used before. But i would end up with GW1 and i wont be able to run TR2 or a duplicate GW. I could get the boff layout i want in Science mode but then i go from 4/3 to 3/3 and i really wanted to have 4/3 to match my Karfi weapon layout. I lose out on the hangar pets too but the Recon ship has 4 tac consoles vs the Karfis 3 so that makes up for it a little bit.


    I've been looking on gamepedia...but are there any ships that i may be overlooking for Fed and Rom? i have the Caitian but i dont want it, so anything else other then that?

    I use a torpedo heavy build on my http://sto.gamepedia.com/Heavy_Escort_Carrier and it works remarkably well.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Xindi-Aquatic_Narcine_Dreadnought_Carrier

    Only thing that fits your bill

    Ohh forgot to mention that since i'm on a budget that lockbox ships arent an option and if it is an exchange ship i would prefer the price tag to be no more than the EC equivalent of a 2000-2500 zen ship or 20 master keys. If i were to get the Xindi-Aquatic or any ship in that price range thats a little over triple the amount that i want to spend.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    I use a torpedo heavy build on my http://sto.gamepedia.com/Heavy_Escort_Carrier and it works remarkably well.

    Yah i like using GW to group stuff up and start up chain warp core explosions too though. And also since my torp boat is kinda just a siege weapon that sits there and points at the bad guys i like to use TR and ES to neut if i get focused. But i do have several Fed zen ships that i bought a long time ago like the defiant retro, the HEC, and the Avenger. But i'm just worried about how the loss of GW and my drains would affect the tactics that i've gotten used to.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Option #2 http://sto.gamepedia.com/Scimitar_Dreadnought_Warbird

    Would make a pretty impressive torp boat, you still have a hangar, you gain a fore weapon slot and a couple tactical consoles...


    Seems like a pretty fair compromise
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    Option #2 http://sto.gamepedia.com/Scimitar_Dreadnought_Warbird

    Would make a pretty impressive torp boat, you still have a hangar, you gain a fore weapon slot and a couple tactical consoles...


    Seems like a pretty fair compromise

    Yup that was another one i was looking at too and i already have that ship. I might even do it in my Tac Capt, and a week ago i did start to get the gear for a Torp Scim but then i ran out of Rom marks while i was getting the Hyper Plasma Launcher lol.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Ya, rom marks can ve a bit of a pain in the butt. I'd do the cc event and choose rom marks at the end of it
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,497 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stonewbie wrote: »
    Yah i like using GW to group stuff up and start up chain warp core explosions too though. And also since my torp boat is kinda just a siege weapon that sits there and points at the bad guys i like to use TR and ES to neut if i get focused. But i do have several Fed zen ships that i bought a long time ago like the defiant retro, the HEC, and the Avenger. But i'm just worried about how the loss of GW and my drains would affect the tactics that i've gotten used to.

    With this space set: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Protonic_Arsenal and in particular the Gravimetric torpedo you have no worries about GW and drains. A TS or HY will almost always create a GW.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    With this space set: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Protonic_Arsenal and in particular the Gravimetric torpedo you have no worries about GW and drains. A TS or HY will almost always create a GW.

    Yah but the launchers i use are Hyper Plasma, TCB, Hargh'Peng and Breen Cluster. The TCB CD is pretty long so it's easy to time it just right so that my Hyperplasma is the one that uses TS or HY. And the Hargh Peng has a shorter CD but TS and HY doesnt work on it so i dont have to avoid it. And Breen also doesnt use TS and HY so i dont have to worry about it eating TS/HY. I still havent made up my mind on the grav torp, but the above is why i havent gone right to it.


    Also i just remembered now why i stopped trying to build up my tac (who is also my main) for a torp Scim. Cause all my skill points are built up for a A2B beamboat right now and i didnt want to buy respec tokens. Well i still have an empty character slot and a spare Rom science toons that i can stick into a torpedo boat. Sucks thought cause they are fresh and dont have any SRO while my main has full SRO.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,674 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Fed side, the Vesta line can match the Kar'fi layout with it's universal Lt. Comm and Ens universals, though you drop down a weapon slot and a hangar. Also comes with subsystem targeting, which combined with the currently cheap Aceton Assimilator console and an Omni beam (the freebie AP one from a mission or a crafted one matching other energy damage you're running) can make any build into a fair drain build. Even better if you have the currently quite expensive Plasmonic Leech.

    Pending you have good Particle Gens and Phaser damage boosts, the Tac Vesta (Aventine) console's deflector phaser makes a nice siege weapon on it's own. Lock something down and then melt it with a nice beefy beam while wailing on it with your other weapons and pets.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    With this space set: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Protonic_Arsenal and in particular the Gravimetric torpedo you have no worries about GW and drains. A TS or HY will almost always create a GW.

    Couple of questions about the grav torpedo for anyone that might know:

    1) does it have a knockback?

    2) does the rift pull mobs into it?

    3) is the pull of the rift and distance at which it can grab modified by graviton generators?
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,497 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stonewbie wrote: »
    Couple of questions about the grav torpedo for anyone that might know:

    1) does it have a knockback?

    2) does the rift pull mobs into it?

    3) is the pull of the rift and distance at which it can grab modified by graviton generators?

    Yes on all 3
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    cool tyvm, I guess now it's choosing between a Fed or a Fed Rom. hmm hmmmmmmm hhmmmh hhmmmmm


    Even though this is a science toon the science abilities are mostly just for support and i'm focusing on dps via mass torpedoes. I already have the Scim 3 pack and if i get the Dyson Recon then at least i can choose between the two. Only thing that is gonna suck is that the plasmonic leech is gonna be expensive and i may not be able to get it for a while if at all. My KDF and Rom-KDF can get it from the Vandal that i purchased. On my Karfi i like having the PL because i can easily get up to 135 Aux and 125 shield power with it.

    oh wells time to get started on the Rom Fed Sci toon hehe
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stonewbie wrote: »

    I've been looking for a Fed or maybe for a Rom equivalent ship because i just prefer their faction better

    I stopped reading at this line. and refuse to help lesson our already dwindling ranks and help those other species.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    I stopped reading at this line. and refuse to help lesson our already dwindling ranks and help those other species.


    uh ok...and?

    I dont care about any of that RP TRIBBLE, or that qapla chest thumping klingons vs /salute federation stuff. And 1 person rolling another alt on Fed side isn't going to break faction balance. My main is already a Fed Rom and my old main was a straight tac Fed and all my KDF are alts which i barely even play. And there are also personal reasons, i used to live in Northern California and me and my old friends would sometimes visit San Francisco, go to Japantown and just hang out. And hanging out at Starfleet Academy on one of the benches overlooking the bay is how i sometimes like to spend my idle time.

    anything else you want to know about my reasons for choosing one faction over another?
  • banzaizapbanzaizap Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Really, looking back at the opening question, there really is nothing quite like the KarFi. I've spent the last two years running comparisons, but I always end up back on the bridge of the old battle-fish. Everything from the Fed/Rom side really just feels (to me!) like an almost-KarFi, but never quite making it. Its either not shooty enough, or not sci enough, not fast enough, or I just miss both hangars. Plus, there is no hangar pet as tough and nasty as Elite Frigates. As an Engineering captain, I keep it in one piece far longer than people expect. Save your heals for the rest of the team, thank you!

    So yes you can use the Xindi, Vesta or Scimitar in a similar method, but it'll never feel quite like the KarFi. Which is fine, since I think there should be a couple of ships unique to each faction! Now I just need to get my hands on a FLEET KarFi!

    Fortunately, its getting easier and easier to form multifaction teams, so I get to play with my Federation friends frequently.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    banzaizap wrote: »
    Really, looking back at the opening question, there really is nothing quite like the KarFi. I've spent the last two years running comparisons, but I always end up back on the bridge of the old battle-fish. Everything from the Fed/Rom side really just feels (to me!) like an almost-KarFi, but never quite making it. Its either not shooty enough, or not sci enough, not fast enough, or I just miss both hangars. Plus, there is no hangar pet as tough and nasty as Elite Frigates. As an Engineering captain, I keep it in one piece far longer than people expect. Save your heals for the rest of the team, thank you!

    So yes you can use the Xindi, Vesta or Scimitar in a similar method, but it'll never feel quite like the KarFi. Which is fine, since I think there should be a couple of ships unique to each faction! Now I just need to get my hands on a FLEET KarFi!

    Fortunately, its getting easier and easier to form multifaction teams, so I get to play with my Federation friends frequently.


    The opening question was "anything that comes close". So it doesnt have to be a 100% match for boff station to boff station or gear layout. The loss of 1 or both hangars might be ok if i end up going from 3 tac consoles to 4 or 5. The loss of a Cdr Sci might be ok as long as i still get a LCdr Sci and the LCdr Tac stations at the minimum. About the only thing i wont budge on is the 4 forward weapon slots. Five forward slots is ok, but 3, i dont think so. Doesnt matter that 5mans are doable with 3 weapon slots or that other people have done it...that's not the setup i want.

    Also i included the tactics that i like to use for my torp boat. GW to gather them up, TS and THY to lob a bunch of torpedos, and chain warp core breaches. That lets people know how dependent i am on certain boff stations. So that people arent recommending something with just an Lt Tac station or just a Ensign Sci station or something.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stonewbie wrote: »
    uh ok...and?

    I dont care about any of that RP TRIBBLE, or that qapla chest thumping klingons vs /salute federation stuff. And 1 person rolling another alt on Fed side isn't going to break faction balance. My main is already a Fed Rom and my old main was a straight tac Fed and all my KDF are alts which i barely even play. And there are also personal reasons, i used to live in Northern California and me and my old friends would sometimes visit San Francisco, go to Japantown and just hang out. And hanging out at Starfleet Academy on one of the benches overlooking the bay is how i sometimes like to spend my idle time.

    anything else you want to know about my reasons for choosing one faction over another?

    i didnt ask nor do i care what your reasons are for wanting to play the blue side. only thing that matters to me is why in the world you came to the KDF fleet yards to ask about feddy bear ships.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    i didnt ask nor do i care what your reasons are for wanting to play the blue side. only thing that matters to me is why in the world you came to the KDF fleet yards to ask about feddy bear ships.

    Really? i thought it was to "refuse to help lesson our dwindling ranks" haha...lesson and "help those other species". Now you are upset because i posted a fed/kdf ship comparison thread in the KDF shipyards instead of the Fed shipyards? anyways two posts from you with nothing relevant to the thread or anything useful, your comments mean nothing to me. But feel free to keep posting your disapproval of my use of the subforums.


    Anyways thanks to Dahm, Quest, Tom and Banzai for the info. I'm leaning heavily towards the Dyson Recon Science right now. Since i've settled on a Fed Rom Sci i also have a Mogai retro, Scim pack, and Tvaro as backups. Wont be as good as a Kar'fi, but they are all slightly better then the ships i have available on straight Fed. Only thing that sucks is that i think the Dyson ships are purchased separately for each of the 3 factions? so i cant claim it on my fed or kdf alts. I guess i can understand the reason for that limitation, but ehh it still kinda sucks.
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