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nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
question? we know were getting more delta quadrant races added to the game are the going to be boffs and doffs? and please for the love of god tell me their not faction locked cause with our luck klingons would get stuck with kazons and some if not alot of us don't want them. and I got a mental picture of a waifish ocampa telekinetical slamming a big bad klingon into bulkhead.

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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I believe it has been a long standing rumour that the Ocampa and Talaxian will be for the Federation, and the Kazon would be for the Klingon Defense Force. I suppose Republic players would get the best of both worlds?

    I can understand KDF players not wanting Kazon Boffs, but I doubt you'll be forced to use them. I would imagine (as with everything else as of late) these new Boffs would go via the Lobi Store. I can't quite imagine a Talaxian or Ocampa joining the KDF though.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    i never agreed with that long standing rumor.

    ocampa are too concerned in their own short lives, female ocampa would be a waste of time by the time they reach around 4 or 5 years old, being the only chance to have a kid, looking after the kid until old enough and after that it will probably be too late to get back into the game again, figure around a year in ocampa years for pregnancy and half a year for the baby to become a young enough person to look after themselves. the male ocampa would be more plausible though despite 9-10 years of life at most.

    the talaxians need to be explained because the last that was known is that the haakonian order had subjugated talax and its people under their protectorate from some war almost a 100 years earlier ending up with the cascade on rynax. even if that can be explained out on sto, the talaxians are so far removed from starfleet and the RR that it wouldnt really be possible to have a solid alliance. also that neelix found klingons interesting had a liaison with a female klingon once. its not impossible for talaxians to become an officer in the empire either.

    if there is to be help from either for the feds, it would likely be a single person coming on as a boff or has a few doffs in some delta quadrant doff pack.

    as for the kazon they dont make sense for any side, i will keep stating it, kazon dont like "uniforms", military groups with regulations and a rigid code to follow, they are territorial which is abundantly clear that kazon factions fight each other all the time and others who display their markings in kazon space. its possible to get a doff or boff from the kazon, but alliance with the empire or feds and whatnot? thats not likely to happen.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    I believe it has been a long standing rumour that the Ocampa and Talaxian will be for the Federation, and the Kazon would be for the Klingon Defense Force. I suppose Republic players would get the best of both worlds?

    I can understand KDF players not wanting Kazon Boffs, but I doubt you'll be forced to use them. I would imagine (as with everything else as of late) these new Boffs would go via the Lobi Store. I can't quite imagine a Talaxian or Ocampa joining the KDF though.

    I agree I can't really see talaxian's doing well in the kdf, but the female caretaker's ocampa maybe able to handle it. and remember when sweet innocent kes scared that warlord who stole her body? or come back in a really bad mood after she left? grant if we got them they probably wouldn't be that op but ocampa do seen to be surprisingly resilient like hobbits.

    I actually I more trouble see kazon doing well klingons are actually rather well disciplined army while kazon are street thugs in space. not saying some wouldn't make it but most would probably be killed challenging the wrong warrior. the may physical be a better match but mentally I don't think so.

    while I'm thinking about it, neelix may be a bad indication of talaxians. he was basically a shellshocked hippie. talaxians did in canon fight hard enough that the race that conquered them had to used a WMD.

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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ocampa are too concerned in their own short lives, female ocampa would be a waste of time by the time they reach around 4 or 5 years old, being the only chance to have a kid, looking after the kid until old enough and after that it will probably be too late to get back into the game again, figure around a year in ocampa years for pregnancy and half a year for the baby to become a young enough person to look after themselves. the male ocampa would be more plausible though despite 9-10 years of life at most.
    Whilst you make a valid argument, who's to say that they haven't further learned how to extend their lifespan? Who's to say the Federation wont come up with some miracle gene therapy which would also result in extended life?

    Their short lifespan in general is stupid lore anyway (same goes for the Xindi Insectoids) but alas, this is Trek. Can't go picking too many holes.
    the talaxians need to be explained because the last that was known is that the haakonian order had subjugated talax and its people under their protectorate from some war almost a 100 years earlier ending up with the cascade on rynax. even if that can be explained out on sto, the talaxians are so far removed from starfleet and the RR that it wouldnt really be possible to have a solid alliance. also that neelix found klingons interesting had a liaison with a female klingon once. its not impossible for talaxians to become an officer in the empire either.
    I would imagine the Talaxians we're going to be dealing with will be the ones from that Asteroid rather than the ones from Talax.
    as for the kazon they dont make sense for any side, i will keep stating it, kazon dont like "uniforms", military groups with regulations and a rigid code to follow, they are territorial which is abundantly clear that kazon factions fight each other all the time and others who display their markings in kazon space.
    nightken wrote: »
    I actually I more trouble see kazon doing well klingons are actually rather well disciplined army while kazon are street thugs in space. not saying some wouldn't make it but most would probably be killed challenging the wrong warrior. the may physical be a better match but mentally I don't think so.
    The Kazon aren't all that different from the Nausicaan really though, are they? Both are Pirates & Raiders, and I'd not think either of them follow a code of honour (at least not one by Klingon standards). That said, it wouldn't be too farfetched to imagine the KDF using the Kazon as cannon fodder. The Kazon (as a species) ain't that bright, so if a Klingon says "go shoot that thing over there for us and you'll be rewarded" the Kazon would probably go shoot.
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    The Kazon aren't all that different from the Nausicaan really though, are they? Both are Pirates & Raiders, and I'd not think either of them follow a code of honour (at least not one by Klingon standards). That said, it wouldn't be too farfetched to imagine the KDF using the Kazon as cannon fodder. The Kazon (as a species) ain't that bright, so if a Klingon says "go shoot that thing over there for us and you'll be rewarded" the Kazon would probably go shoot.

    you have a point there though nauicaans are mercs and know how to follow orders. kazon are a little iffy but I guess more cannon fodder is always useful.

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  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Oh dear God! By all thats good and holy, no Kazons for KDF please! I would rather kiss a vidian!!

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Whilst you make a valid argument, who's to say that they haven't further learned how to extend their lifespan? Who's to say the Federation wont come up with some miracle gene therapy which would also result in extended life?

    Their short lifespan in general is stupid lore anyway (same goes for the Xindi Insectoids) but alas, this is Trek. Can't go picking too many holes.

    I would imagine the Talaxians we're going to be dealing with will be the ones from that Asteroid rather than the ones from Talax.

    The Kazon aren't all that different from the Nausicaan really though, are they? Both are Pirates & Raiders, and I'd not think either of them follow a code of honour (at least not one by Klingon standards). That said, it wouldn't be too farfetched to imagine the KDF using the Kazon as cannon fodder. The Kazon (as a species) ain't that bright, so if a Klingon says "go shoot that thing over there for us and you'll be rewarded" the Kazon would probably go shoot.

    some ocampa have lived beyond 10 years, but that requires a bit of creativity. if you work at the gene therapy and such maybe not much beyond a jem'hadar life cycle in total terms by combining ocampa methods and starfleet research from the ehm doctors notes, but there is only so many advancements one can make in a short space of time before it looks absurd. so say for game logic (twisted i know), with some gene therapy, maybe 15 years at most by just that? as for the xindi insectoids, most insects in real life only have a few weeks of life from maggot to fly to death, they consistently lay eggs on everything they can and then die, not really much beyond that, i wouldnt be surprised if such a thing was a constant in the universe with alien insects, even the overgrown and barely evolved ones in the xindi circle.

    considering where the kazon are, the ocampa and talaxians the fact they are all coming in x2 pretty much points out towards that area then the asteroid (it was never stated where the jenolan sphere emerged within the delta quadrant, but it based on the sketchy details so far more like it was more towards the north to north eastern area of that quadrant then central eastern area where the asteroid was located), maybe 2 or 3 areas of sector space outside the sphere that covers a large area of space (avoid the confusion of say 35,000 light years condensed into a few light years travel unless there are gates either sector block that jumps players across the 10,000 or more light year ranges although that would make too much sense).

    nausicaans are pirates, they will form up with anyone who has the latium or credits to pay, the kazon are very different, they were oppressed slaves of the trabe, brutalized for years, they wont ever trust a uniform and they show no inclination to being bought either. kazon dont follow the honor code of a klingon either, they would sooner shoot their ally in the back if it meant saving them and then gaining a reputation with their own for being cunning and taking trophies.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nightken wrote: »
    question? we know were getting more delta quadrant races added to the game are the going to be boffs and doffs? and please for the love of god tell me their not faction locked cause with our luck klingons would get stuck with kazons and some if not alot of us don't want them. and I got a mental picture of a waifish ocampa telekinetical slamming a big bad klingon into bulkhead.

    Well lets just put it this way. Neelix would NOT have been unhappy serving with a Klingon crew (remember what he got up to in Tovok's quarters in the episode Prophecy.) I'm betting on at least one Delta Quadrant boff linked to an FE K'Gan or Elisa Flores style, and that boff for all factions being a Talaxian.
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  • shaitan100shaitan100 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    i dont get all the kazon hate. they are just red skinned klingon-lite. dont use em if u dont like em. i have no intention of using ocampa...cant stand them...or talaxians. problem solved.
  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Oh dear God! By all thats good and holy, no Kazons for KDF please! I would rather kiss a vidian!!

    Meh... Vidiian > Kazon, The Borg assimlate even TRIBBLES and are not even remotely interested in Kazon.
    Oh, and Kazon have no Honor!
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Kazon were just not an interesting group, simple as that.


    Vidians are much more of a threat to me.
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Vidiian were cured, but would be interest for a Romulan race, I think Taresians would make for a cool KDF, the Orions could sell them Males.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Vidiian were cured, but would be interest for a Romulan race, I think Taresians would make for a cool KDF, the Orions could sell them Males.

    They could come up with some rogue Vidian group that the cure did not work on.
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  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Vidiian were cured, but would be interest for a Romulan race, I think Taresians would make for a cool KDF, the Orions could sell them Males.

    And you believe that group of ... shady persons they lied more than once?
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    NOT LOYAL ENOUGH!!!
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