My only problem, is that the OP is falling into the path that most of the other forum threads are falling into: Coming into conclusions with out having full details, Devs already said more than 40 blogs are coming... The thing I can't understand, is why *some people... Thinks of OP* can't wait to when they are released, and then base their conclusions on the ACTUAL and OFFICIAL info...
Another thing is, It's a GAME, it's an MMO.... please tell me... just name 1 MMO/game that is perfect and that satisfied 100% of all it's buyers/players/consumers... Tell me of a Game that has NO BUGS at all... Tell me of a game that has PERFECT dev communication...
Apart from that, this is just simply another whine thread, based on misinformation...
I'll tell you why I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting because I'm tired of these kind of promises and finally want some real answers.
As I recall it was not too long ago a dev commented that this game would progress outward and not upward, clearly stating that no upward level increases would occur. Obviously this is not the case...
Clearly waiting for answers doesn't cut it, let alone accurate answers... With Season 9.5 the Xindi Lockbox information was released after the lockbox was released (fail).
So forgive me if I don't have the faith to believe that we will get 40 blogs about this new expansion...
If waiting doesn't work, what other options to get information do I have? Creating this thread seemed like the best one to me...
What "serious" problems exist? How do you define "serious" in this instance? I haven't run into any serious problems. A clipping issue now and again, predictable lag moments during peak hours, and why can't I disable the Equip panel? I don't like it. That's my big gripe. I don't like the Quick Equip function. I like to work with my gear slowly. Why? Because every time I get promoted on a character, my ship does a naughty striptease for me. Then I chastise her for being a TRIBBLE and trade her in for something better. Because I'm a horrible person with no morals.
...Oh, sorry, that was sarcasm. I forgot you couldn't tell, given that you read the OP's post and thought he was for serious.
EDIT: Wasn't truly sarcasm, but I really wanted to tie the theme into my final comment. Hopefully he has the decency to try and burn me back with some creativity!
Serious problems? How about you actually read the thread that was ripped off by this one...
Plenty of perfectly well described issues can be found there not to mention many other places throughout this forum.
People happy with the game are free to express thier opinions too. As for me I am in middle road as far as like and dislike for the game and I am waiting to see what Delta Rising brings.
yeah but we have seen far too many of these types of counter threads over the weeks.
haters hating other haters to try win some stupid epeen contest.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Serious problems? How about you actually read the thread that was ripped off by this one...
Plenty of perfectly well described issues can be found there not to mention many other places throughout this forum.
Oh, I read it. And I can assure you, your post wasn't nearly as eloquent as you think it was. Regarding the "Accepting Criticism" rant, which I don't even need to address in specific terms, but simply note that accepting criticism does not imply that the person or entity receiving that criticism is required to adjust themselves or their product to address your complaint. There are a number of reasons why. Either it's not a problem that urgently needs to be fixed (like a texture glitch) or your complaint is simply a difference of opinion (everyone and their grandmother's Galaxy Class threads). Or the criticism is being handed out by people too immature and demanding to be taken seriously even by other critics (that'd be a long list here).
Let's move on to your other points.
"Who in the right mind decided that it was a brilliant idea to unveil an expansion by giving only the smallest of details that EVERYONE with a brain is left with a million questions?" Anyone who wants people talking about their game. It's called free hype.
"being vague and simply telling people that everything they have worked on for in some cases thousands of hours is going to be "competitive" without defining "competitive" is alarming. " No. No, it's really not. I know what competitive means. I didn't even check the podcast and I know what they're talking about. They mean "Tier 5 isn't going to be completely obsolete". They'll obviously want to push their new Tier 6 purchases, but Tier 5 has a safety net for a good while at least. What else could you possibly think they mean?
"Does competitive mean I will be able to continue to PvP without getting destroyed in five seconds by the latest and greatest pay-to-win toy?" That's a myth started by butthurts who met their match. Pay-to-win isn't half as spectacular an edge in combat as you believe it to be. If you are good at playing your way and you know how to exploit your vessel's capabilities - as well as your enemy's weaknesses, then you can win without needing to spend cash. That old myth about Pay-to-win items always being 100% more special and dangerous than the free stuff spreads from game to game every time some whiny wannabe gamer realizes the problem isn't a stuck key or a dying mouse battery. He just kinda sucks compared to the next guy. His fancy C-Store ship and his bundle of universal consoles and speshul snowflaek weapons didn't help him.
"A simple fix for this would have been to only release information that does not trigger further questions, for example show off the new ship designs but not mention T6." That sounds to me more like not telling your wife that you bought a new car because you don't know if she'll squeal like an excited puppy or have a total mental breakdown at you. I say, rip the Band-Aid off. Frankly, Tier 5 always felt like a waypoint for me, even though it was a four-year stop. Having played other MMOs, I'm too familiar with the idea that the next expansion will render all my hard gear-farming work obsolete. The change in this case is that I might... MIGHT need to invest in a new ship at level 60. Ooh ah. Either I'll make the most of my Tier 5 until I have the C-points to move up, or find a ghetto option in the interim instead.
"Something that I have noticed with this game is that a bug is only fixed if it has a direct monetary benefit for PWE, for example the removal of being able to slot multiple research XP projects in the same school." I fail to see the monetary benefit to PWE in removing same-school projects. I could see that being the case if spending dilithium to fast-track one project accidentally fast-tracked all of them or something without costing more dilithium. But I don't recall that being the case. They removed it because that wasn't how a SYSTEM was meant to work. What bugs get let on the wayside? Clipping errors, texture adjustments, lag complaints, tooltips, and a few things intended to be done automatically that you have to do manually instead. Nothing that changes the fundamental way the game is played.
"while SEVERE bugs like FAW not draining power and not critting took months to fix" And did it not occur to you that so-called "Severe" bugs like that may have been either difficult for the dev team to recreate, trace or fix? Or are we running on the assumption that fixing computer games is a case of pointing at the error and screaming YOUUUU SHALL NOT PAAAAASS!!!!!
I also feel the need to point out that I've never played an MMO that was perfect. When compared to off-line game titles, MMOs are on average less fun, more buggy, less polished and released WAY earlier than they should. They can do this with a level of success by hooking the audience at the beginning with good graphics - or at least colourful graphics, along with a social element and the general ability to fight monsters or something. From there, you can literally build a monument to the Gods on this little Altar of Sh*t. Free-to-Play is a more difficult model to plan that stuff around. Free-to-Play means you have to keep them coming back. Subscription model is easy. Once you have them paying for a month of service they will PLAY FOR A MONTH SOLID. F2P games, you bounce in and out of. The idea is to nab them. And dropping into the game from the start, you see almost none of the bugs you are complaining about. The solo content has been polished and repolished. I think they even solved the issue with bridge officers falling through the floor in some levels too, since 9.5 went live. So you get a nice, clean introduction to the gameplay of Star Trek Online. I won't deny that bugs do need to be fixed, but your original thread, ending with "Please fix your game before it is too late." is so melodramatic and overblown that I can't even begin to fathom what else you do with your time.
Stopped reading after OP said the devs listen to the community.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Stopped reading after OP said the devs listen to the community.
Same here. Crafting is JUST as pointless as it ever was, only now we have to learn a new system in order to make unrealistically resource-priced gear that we can no doubt just buy on the market for half the price, just like all crafting in STO ever. Anyone who's ever made a set of Aegis knows what I mean.
It made SENSE before. Now there's it's just another system that's even more broken.
Speaking of which, why in the name of Hades did they change the DOff system? I used to be able to do any given char within 5 mins (I have many alts), now it takes me 5 minutes just to check if I have a certain type of Doff or not. God forbid the coders should include a SELECT/DESELECT ALL tickbox on the DOff search screen.
And don't get me started on the ****ing ship loadout system. Even IF it worked it would still be annoying. And it DOESN'T.
I bet the Auction House is still a joke, but be buggered if I'm logging in to find out they've changed something else.
I LOVE this game, but the last GOOD change was the addition of the Dyson Sphere. In my eyes, it's really been downhill since then. And I used to be one of the guys who posted threads like this, the 'Yay cryptic' stuff.
I am glad for you guys that you like the direction the game is going, but you need to understand that not everyone feels the same way as you, and our opinions are just as valid, whether you like it or not. You need to understand that the cost of your enjoyment of this game, is MY enjoyment of the game. And that costs Cryptic real money, because there's no way known I'm giving these jokers any more money until they stop tripping over their own feet.
I waited for years for the crafting in this game to not completely suck, and it looks like I should frankly just stop waiting and give up on that aspect of the game.
It's STILL the best space shooter I ever played, but there SHOULD be *SO MUCH MORE* to a *STAR TREK* game. Let's not pretend it's perfect, okay?
You know what, I'm getting sick and tired of certain players in the community throwing tantrums when they don't get their way
Its getting pathetic, At some point the line has to be drawn between legitimate criticism and embittered ranting.
Yes, it should be drawn, totally.
The legitimate criticism should be dealt with by *those it's aimed at*, so that we as a community don't have to RELY on embittered ranting in order to express our frustration.
I might not agree with all of the OPs points, but I agree that they should be allowed to be expressed in the manner in which they did. I didn't see any personal attacks, and I really don't see how the OPs post was any more of a rant than your reply was. In fact, the phrase 'embittered ranting' could be considered a personal attack. Consider that.
You're allowed to like the game, and we're allowed to have different feelings.
But when the community start attacking each others feelings because they're different...Well, that's not the act of adults or people who want to treated like one, is it?
This thread is showing signs of becoming a flame war between BOO THIS GAME SUCKS vs. THIS GAME IS AWESOME.....
Told yuou so when i posted yesterday, saw it coming, but then with a player base this embittered and petty it was inevitable
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I am also eager to get into the new content, I mean an Online MMO thrives on content, this should be cause for celebration.
Also I am very much in agreement with you, You can never rely on endgame staying end game forever, the game has to evolve or players get bored and complacent with the current end game.
I hope your prepared for this thread to get hijacked by doomsayers though.
In STO, everything is the opposite of normal behavior.
Not really. The Galaxy Beef thread demonstrates that it doesn't cater to the community perfectly. The No T5 Connie issue demonstrates that it doesn't cater to the community perfectly. The lack of exploration in a Star Trek game demonstrates it doesn't cater to the community perfectly.
Your post demonstrates you don't understand this game is failing Star Trek fans.
Read the Galaxy threads. Get a full on look at Star Trek fans and their disappointment with how this game doesn't cater to their desires.
Galaxy: WAY outdated, your lucky they made it T5
Connie: Nothing cryptic can do, this was decided for them by CBS
The Galaxy Class was intended for a minimum of 100 years service, modular in nature so it can continuously be upgraded through her intended service frame.
The first ones were built in the sixties of the past century, which puts them at only half of their minimal intended service age. Not even speaking about ones built later than the first batch.
And I'm at a loss for words about the nerve people have to make these arguments while us having the Excelsior in STO in the manner in which we have it.
in the absence of details we have to rely on knowledge of past performance.
This is why people are anxious and upset.
To put it nicely, yes. PWE isn't known for it's stellar customer service.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
In STO, everything is the opposite of normal behavior.
When new stuff comes, DOOOOOM.
When bad stuff happens, CHEEEEER.
yeah, the new crafting system has more stuff in it than the old one, and a lot of really cool stuff, also it can make up to MK12 UV.... something the old system could not.
Also, one of the biggest reasons I didn't max crafting on everyone in the old system was the fact I had to go to Memory alpha (well feds anyways). Now I can just change tabs in the doff interface.
This thread right here is exactly why this game WILL NEVER BE a success.
A divided player base on almost every aspect of this game will continue ensuring that devs remain confused and unsure what their next move should be.
There's a good point to be made here.
Take the Cardassians...big issue, pretty much everyone wants them, but how to do it? If they make them a separate faction, it will likely be a mini-faction like the Romulans, and Cardassia will never really have sovereignty. If they make an entire faction out of the Dominion, they could put in the Cardassians for simplicity. Problem is, aligning them with the Dominion discredits and devalues the sacrifices made by Legate Damar (also called The Hero of Cardassia). So, among other things, we may never actually see Gul Dukats running around in BoPs.
My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
Take the Cardassians...big issue, pretty much everyone wants them, but how to do it? If they make them a separate faction, it will likely be a mini-faction like the Romulans, and Cardassia will never really have sovereignty. If they make an entire faction out of the Dominion, they could put in the Cardassians for simplicity. Problem is, aligning them with the Dominion discredits and devalues the sacrifices made by Legate Damar (also called The Hero of Cardassia). So, among other things, we may never actually see Gul Dukats running around in BoPs.
Yeah, they are part of the federation, and cryptic doesnt like bad-guy factions .
I could see a seperate but not cardassian faction, kind of like the roms, except not a choice of alignment, but they have their own story, ships, ect.
The Galaxy Class was intended for a minimum of 100 years service, modular in nature so it can continuously be upgraded through her intended service frame.
The first ones were built in the sixties of the past century, which puts them at only half of their minimal intended service age. Not even speaking about ones built later than the first batch.
And I'm at a loss for words about the nerve people have to make these arguments while us having the Excelsior in STO in the manner in which we have it.
Point is, the galaxy has been supplanted by dozens of superior ships, so yes, while it is intended for long service, it isnt intended to be the BEST ship at all for those 100 years
Take the Cardassians...big issue, pretty much everyone wants them,
Really? I think they are a pretty boring species, I don't want to see them as a faction....... Romulans should be a full faction and Cardassians could just be a minor playable species.
Point is, the galaxy has been supplanted by dozens of superior ships, so yes, while it is intended for long service, it isnt intended to be the BEST ship at all for those 100 years
And my point is that it's silly to tell someone "You're lucky to have the Galaxy at T5" in a game where ENT era ships pass as lockbox quality.
Really? I think they are a pretty boring species, I don't want to see them as a faction....... Romulans should be a full faction and Cardassians could just be a minor playable species.
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As I recall it was not too long ago a dev commented that this game would progress outward and not upward, clearly stating that no upward level increases would occur. Obviously this is not the case...
Clearly waiting for answers doesn't cut it, let alone accurate answers... With Season 9.5 the Xindi Lockbox information was released after the lockbox was released (fail).
So forgive me if I don't have the faith to believe that we will get 40 blogs about this new expansion...
If waiting doesn't work, what other options to get information do I have? Creating this thread seemed like the best one to me...
Obviously that issue would be fixed if you would just agree with everything I say.
Plenty of perfectly well described issues can be found there not to mention many other places throughout this forum.
yeah i was thinking along similar lines.
yeah but we have seen far too many of these types of counter threads over the weeks.
haters hating other haters to try win some stupid epeen contest.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Oh, I read it. And I can assure you, your post wasn't nearly as eloquent as you think it was. Regarding the "Accepting Criticism" rant, which I don't even need to address in specific terms, but simply note that accepting criticism does not imply that the person or entity receiving that criticism is required to adjust themselves or their product to address your complaint. There are a number of reasons why. Either it's not a problem that urgently needs to be fixed (like a texture glitch) or your complaint is simply a difference of opinion (everyone and their grandmother's Galaxy Class threads). Or the criticism is being handed out by people too immature and demanding to be taken seriously even by other critics (that'd be a long list here).
Let's move on to your other points.
"Who in the right mind decided that it was a brilliant idea to unveil an expansion by giving only the smallest of details that EVERYONE with a brain is left with a million questions?" Anyone who wants people talking about their game. It's called free hype.
"being vague and simply telling people that everything they have worked on for in some cases thousands of hours is going to be "competitive" without defining "competitive" is alarming. " No. No, it's really not. I know what competitive means. I didn't even check the podcast and I know what they're talking about. They mean "Tier 5 isn't going to be completely obsolete". They'll obviously want to push their new Tier 6 purchases, but Tier 5 has a safety net for a good while at least. What else could you possibly think they mean?
"Does competitive mean I will be able to continue to PvP without getting destroyed in five seconds by the latest and greatest pay-to-win toy?" That's a myth started by butthurts who met their match. Pay-to-win isn't half as spectacular an edge in combat as you believe it to be. If you are good at playing your way and you know how to exploit your vessel's capabilities - as well as your enemy's weaknesses, then you can win without needing to spend cash. That old myth about Pay-to-win items always being 100% more special and dangerous than the free stuff spreads from game to game every time some whiny wannabe gamer realizes the problem isn't a stuck key or a dying mouse battery. He just kinda sucks compared to the next guy. His fancy C-Store ship and his bundle of universal consoles and speshul snowflaek weapons didn't help him.
"A simple fix for this would have been to only release information that does not trigger further questions, for example show off the new ship designs but not mention T6." That sounds to me more like not telling your wife that you bought a new car because you don't know if she'll squeal like an excited puppy or have a total mental breakdown at you. I say, rip the Band-Aid off. Frankly, Tier 5 always felt like a waypoint for me, even though it was a four-year stop. Having played other MMOs, I'm too familiar with the idea that the next expansion will render all my hard gear-farming work obsolete. The change in this case is that I might... MIGHT need to invest in a new ship at level 60. Ooh ah. Either I'll make the most of my Tier 5 until I have the C-points to move up, or find a ghetto option in the interim instead.
"Something that I have noticed with this game is that a bug is only fixed if it has a direct monetary benefit for PWE, for example the removal of being able to slot multiple research XP projects in the same school." I fail to see the monetary benefit to PWE in removing same-school projects. I could see that being the case if spending dilithium to fast-track one project accidentally fast-tracked all of them or something without costing more dilithium. But I don't recall that being the case. They removed it because that wasn't how a SYSTEM was meant to work. What bugs get let on the wayside? Clipping errors, texture adjustments, lag complaints, tooltips, and a few things intended to be done automatically that you have to do manually instead. Nothing that changes the fundamental way the game is played.
"while SEVERE bugs like FAW not draining power and not critting took months to fix" And did it not occur to you that so-called "Severe" bugs like that may have been either difficult for the dev team to recreate, trace or fix? Or are we running on the assumption that fixing computer games is a case of pointing at the error and screaming YOUUUU SHALL NOT PAAAAASS!!!!!
I also feel the need to point out that I've never played an MMO that was perfect. When compared to off-line game titles, MMOs are on average less fun, more buggy, less polished and released WAY earlier than they should. They can do this with a level of success by hooking the audience at the beginning with good graphics - or at least colourful graphics, along with a social element and the general ability to fight monsters or something. From there, you can literally build a monument to the Gods on this little Altar of Sh*t. Free-to-Play is a more difficult model to plan that stuff around. Free-to-Play means you have to keep them coming back. Subscription model is easy. Once you have them paying for a month of service they will PLAY FOR A MONTH SOLID. F2P games, you bounce in and out of. The idea is to nab them. And dropping into the game from the start, you see almost none of the bugs you are complaining about. The solo content has been polished and repolished. I think they even solved the issue with bridge officers falling through the floor in some levels too, since 9.5 went live. So you get a nice, clean introduction to the gameplay of Star Trek Online. I won't deny that bugs do need to be fixed, but your original thread, ending with "Please fix your game before it is too late." is so melodramatic and overblown that I can't even begin to fathom what else you do with your time.
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Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Same here. Crafting is JUST as pointless as it ever was, only now we have to learn a new system in order to make unrealistically resource-priced gear that we can no doubt just buy on the market for half the price, just like all crafting in STO ever. Anyone who's ever made a set of Aegis knows what I mean.
It made SENSE before. Now there's it's just another system that's even more broken.
Speaking of which, why in the name of Hades did they change the DOff system? I used to be able to do any given char within 5 mins (I have many alts), now it takes me 5 minutes just to check if I have a certain type of Doff or not. God forbid the coders should include a SELECT/DESELECT ALL tickbox on the DOff search screen.
And don't get me started on the ****ing ship loadout system. Even IF it worked it would still be annoying. And it DOESN'T.
I bet the Auction House is still a joke, but be buggered if I'm logging in to find out they've changed something else.
I LOVE this game, but the last GOOD change was the addition of the Dyson Sphere. In my eyes, it's really been downhill since then. And I used to be one of the guys who posted threads like this, the 'Yay cryptic' stuff.
I am glad for you guys that you like the direction the game is going, but you need to understand that not everyone feels the same way as you, and our opinions are just as valid, whether you like it or not. You need to understand that the cost of your enjoyment of this game, is MY enjoyment of the game. And that costs Cryptic real money, because there's no way known I'm giving these jokers any more money until they stop tripping over their own feet.
I waited for years for the crafting in this game to not completely suck, and it looks like I should frankly just stop waiting and give up on that aspect of the game.
It's STILL the best space shooter I ever played, but there SHOULD be *SO MUCH MORE* to a *STAR TREK* game. Let's not pretend it's perfect, okay?
Yes, it should be drawn, totally.
The legitimate criticism should be dealt with by *those it's aimed at*, so that we as a community don't have to RELY on embittered ranting in order to express our frustration.
I might not agree with all of the OPs points, but I agree that they should be allowed to be expressed in the manner in which they did. I didn't see any personal attacks, and I really don't see how the OPs post was any more of a rant than your reply was. In fact, the phrase 'embittered ranting' could be considered a personal attack. Consider that.
You're allowed to like the game, and we're allowed to have different feelings.
But when the community start attacking each others feelings because they're different...Well, that's not the act of adults or people who want to treated like one, is it?
Told yuou so when i posted yesterday, saw it coming, but then with a player base this embittered and petty it was inevitable
This is a pretty amazing post. It sums up why the forums are the way they are right now. Kudos.
In STO, everything is the opposite of normal behavior.
When new stuff comes, DOOOOOM.
When bad stuff happens, CHEEEEER.
Galaxy: WAY outdated, your lucky they made it T5
Connie: Nothing cryptic can do, this was decided for them by CBS
Sorry to derail, but that's a load of BS.
The Galaxy Class was intended for a minimum of 100 years service, modular in nature so it can continuously be upgraded through her intended service frame.
The first ones were built in the sixties of the past century, which puts them at only half of their minimal intended service age. Not even speaking about ones built later than the first batch.
And I'm at a loss for words about the nerve people have to make these arguments while us having the Excelsior in STO in the manner in which we have it.
To put it nicely, yes. PWE isn't known for it's stellar customer service.
Also, one of the biggest reasons I didn't max crafting on everyone in the old system was the fact I had to go to Memory alpha (well feds anyways). Now I can just change tabs in the doff interface.
My character Tsin'xing
There's a good point to be made here.
Take the Cardassians...big issue, pretty much everyone wants them, but how to do it? If they make them a separate faction, it will likely be a mini-faction like the Romulans, and Cardassia will never really have sovereignty. If they make an entire faction out of the Dominion, they could put in the Cardassians for simplicity. Problem is, aligning them with the Dominion discredits and devalues the sacrifices made by Legate Damar (also called The Hero of Cardassia). So, among other things, we may never actually see Gul Dukats running around in BoPs.
Yeah, they are part of the federation, and cryptic doesnt like bad-guy factions
I could see a seperate but not cardassian faction, kind of like the roms, except not a choice of alignment, but they have their own story, ships, ect.
Point is, the galaxy has been supplanted by dozens of superior ships, so yes, while it is intended for long service, it isnt intended to be the BEST ship at all for those 100 years
Really? I think they are a pretty boring species, I don't want to see them as a faction....... Romulans should be a full faction and Cardassians could just be a minor playable species.
While i hate the idea of T5 connie, i hate that CBS restricts cryptic even more, i would welcome a T5 connie as the cost of CBS stepping away
And my point is that it's silly to tell someone "You're lucky to have the Galaxy at T5" in a game where ENT era ships pass as lockbox quality.
i see your point and digress. well fought sir. Qa'Pla
O.o they are NOT simple tailors