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qunlar2020
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Riches and wealth are all relative to the individual. I can honestly tell you that this last nerf did nothing to slow down those who "have" and will only further infurate those who "have not". Unfortunatly for you those who grind will never reveale how we got to were are, at least not entirely. I can tell you it is not very difficult to figure out for yourself if you do use the methods that have already been offered. The one commonality for any method of getting rich is do not spend if you don't need to. The rich in this game get richer becouse they grind or did and did not spend what they were after. EC, Dilithium, Care-Bears, makes no difference. No EC sink will make me poor, quick currency is not always the best, easy-come, easy-go sort of thing.
Today's game is far more difficult to go without spending. You need EC, for reputations, and dilithium for the items. Now that I have tried a few lock-box ships, zen-store ships, and many kinds of weapons, my normal gear on my main is the Borg set 2-piece, HG shield, and the weapons vary. I can make it work without the good stuff. The holiday and summer ships are just fine. I survived not having a Bug Ship. I rarely see them now.
I'll even let you in on my plan for the future. I am going to grind qued missions (space and ground), I will not sell any crafting mats. When the toons I am grinding up to be crafters get to level 15. To be honest will probably be around Christmas or Valentines day at most. I will start cranking out MKXII's, keeping what I want and selling or trading what I don't.
Take this advice how you wish, the fact will always remain "I'm rich and you are not."
Today's game is far more difficult to go without spending. You need EC, for reputations, and dilithium for the items. Now that I have tried a few lock-box ships, zen-store ships, and many kinds of weapons, my normal gear on my main is the Borg set 2-piece, HG shield, and the weapons vary. I can make it work without the good stuff. The holiday and summer ships are just fine. I survived not having a Bug Ship. I rarely see them now.
I'll even let you in on my plan for the future. I am going to grind qued missions (space and ground), I will not sell any crafting mats. When the toons I am grinding up to be crafters get to level 15. To be honest will probably be around Christmas or Valentines day at most. I will start cranking out MKXII's, keeping what I want and selling or trading what I don't.
Take this advice how you wish, the fact will always remain "I'm rich and you are not."
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I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
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LOL, I'm sure you wish it were a fact.
And you have no idea what I'm worth ingame, and I have no intention of telling you. So gauche.
You have enough EC, obviously, to do whatever you want to.
Well done.
You're not alone.
Cry all you want. Facts are facts, and it worked for me.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
Sure it's easy, work hard don't spend unless you must. People would be surprised with what they can live with out and still have a fun game.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
I was particulary impressed with the staggeringly insightful idea to hold off crafting until level 15 and sell the resultant loot for much profits.
Would never have occured to me.
This is the sort of thing that should be on Dragons Den.
It may work for me it may not. The devs said crafting output improves as we go. We will simply have to wait and see.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
Not really.
We already know that not all players are engaging with the crafting system, which means there'll be a ready market.
We also know that as the supply increases, prices will experience a downwards pressure.
We've already had the first wave of new crafters, the ones who spent dilithium and used multiple slotting early on to max out the schools.
Their output is already on the exchange and selling very high.
The next main wave will be in a few months when those who log in every day and have slotted the projects get around the level 15 mark.
Prices will probably drop a bit, but will still be high.
However, after that point there'll be a steady trickle of people maxing out crafting and flooding the exchange.
Prices will drop more quickly, at least for most items.
If you want the really big money, the obvious option is to invest heavily now.
Pay cash to max out a crafting school or two.
The window for taking advantage of that is narrowing slowly.
Oh, or was the 'wait and see' line supposed to be cute and not an actual position?
My sarcasm meter is offline for regularly scheduled maintenance, so I'll respond to this as if you (and OP) are serious.
You aren't the only people who have thought of this cunning plan as potentially viable. Holding off on crafting until level 15.
Since everyone starts off at the same levels (give or take), the ones who have expedited their ascension to rank 15 by crafting vendor trash will have the advantage.
The advantage being that they have little competition, except for other players who think as they do and similarly expedite their way to rank 15. These are the players who are going to set the prices for the current desirable crafted merchandise.
Now there is the school of thought for people like OP. Where you simply hold off and remain patient as you slowly move through the ranks every 20 hours (or so), acquiring crafting mats in order to stockpile them for when you do hit 15 and decide to start producing.
Since this is the cheapest route to take, you will find much more competition among you, in addition to those who have already made it to rank 15 in a school (or several). With more competition, you find the merchandise you seek to sell on the exchange is in competition with other people (around Valentine's Day or so, as OP said) is going to be very saturated.
Because other people are hitting the same rank as you are, and they want to sell their merchandise just as you do. So then you get into undercutting price wars. Crafters will want their EC as fast as possible in order to recuperate the losses spent on the merchandise to begin with -- and to help fund their future crafting endeavors.
You will eventually find the exchange is in the same situation as the Aegis set from a very long time ago. A surplus of valuable merchandise that is barely worth more than what it takes to create it, and perhaps less in some circumstances (the less desirable mods).
Simply due to the fact you have way more competition than the crafters we see now currently do.
In the end, the wealth you gain in the future will not be proportionate to the wealth the crafters are gaining now, because they have little competition. The competition we're starting to see on the exchange is reflected in prices as the 'haves' have already gotten what they desired from crafters, and more crafters willing to take the risks after seeing what these things are selling for.
With more crafters willing to take those risks, this is why the prices are starting to decline. If that's how it is now?
Just wait until February or so when the competition is big enough that undercutting will become the norm, until crafters decide it simply isn't worth the investment to craft.
In RL I did what was right, and got screwed, now I'm trying to do what is fun, and still getting screwed.
I think its time I take a break from STO until the expansion. This last release didn't help.
To anyone else who agrees with me, seeya in a few months. Tired of fighting for EC and dilithium, its become hard enough that its not fun anymore.
Now excuse me, I have to count my meager savings. For not only am I poor, and will never be as rich as you are, I am also bad with numbers.
Was it two billions? Three? Ugh, why do I even bother with these peanuts?! :mad:
Must have taken you ages to figure out that brilliant ec making scheme....but as people have already said there are some major flaws involved in you "great" plan. People who feel like typing have already explained it to you, so I see no need in wasting time doing it again.
All I can say is selling very rare mats is a great bonus from STFs that used to drop TRIBBLE gear.
Oh and FYI, I can make 100mil a day with fairly minimal work is not hard, and there are people who put me to shame in that catogory. I just have little use for actually working on getting those amounts of ec because I just don't need that much, so my daily average is less than that.
PWE's greed killed Star Trek Online. :mad:
Time will only tell!
I love how much arrogance you managed to stuff into one sentence.
IKR!?!? Maybe we should start tossing these doom predicting fortune telling con artists down a canyon or something. Stoning? Idk, what makes a bigger splat at the end?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Yammer yammer yammer. So go ahead and make your blame list, eventually you will find an excuse of your own. The fact is 9.5 has become the STO NGE and caused more people to quit the game than X excuses put all together, especially with well-known hardcore supporters leaving very vocally.
Not a very business practice to TRIBBLE off your customers, now is it? Especially when they want to play a game for fun, and all they end up with, is a second job.
It does. All I craft as for Mk VI deflectors go are VR at level 8. At level 20, with catalysts, you get a 50% chance of a UR item. Yes, I know someone who got there today in the Eng department. Got my hands on a RCS UR Collimator before Bort kills their production permanently.
Many of you are missing the point. If you are the type to cry about EC and the need to corner any kind of market, your existence must be bleak indeed. Way to many people worship at the alter of EC to the extent that they do not even try to accumulate it only complain. End game content in almost every MMO is a grind it is inescapable in STO. The real currency players should try to accumulate is Dilithium.
Their is so many ways to acquire dilithium in this game it is more than insane. What is worse the devs just added more dilithium to some of it's content. I really could care less if others have already maxed crafting and cornered a market. Simply put the turtle wins the race every time I read the book.
My message to the forums is, You can either be "Daddy's Devs Little Princess" and complain about how some one else has something or was lucky, or you can save and reinvest dilithium back into your account. EC is not a currency to worry about when a day of grinding can net you 360,000 dilithium. If you do it right 40 toons only takes about two hours of work, less if work it right.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
Ironically, I'm less inclined to participate in the economy these days because: a.) I hate gouging other players, b.) it's difficult to restock my primary reserves without participating in a.
I used to be able to manage my alts just fine with stuff from patrol/queue/battlezone drops(maybe even pick them up a mirror ship, universal console, trait/etc. every now and then). Since the 'value-adjustment'.. well.. I wonder if they'd even be able to stay in the black if they had to handle the EC sink of a new Reputation.
That's my point. Grind dilithium and not EC than you will not be harming other players. You don't even need to use real money. It takes longer to get rolling took me six months to go from three toons to fifteen. When all is said and done you rarely even have to deal with the exchange unless you want ssome shiney toy.
You know you are on the right track when fleet members ask you to let them donate dilithium also. You know you've made it when you can knock out that 1.5 million dilithium for a new shipyard. Feels good to be in a position to help others as well. Just be careful they do not gouge you.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
You knows its nice that you gave a little advice and thank you. But you dont have to be so rude and brag about your wealth. There are many members on here that can match you ec for ec and yes I am one of them a fellow fat cat:) But...... you will never see me bragging over this I have no need to but I will tell you this I earned my wealth the honest way never once have I exploited any system.
Now if I can add any advice to this post I will say to any new member reading this dont waist your time grinding for ec its not the main currency in this game grind for dilithium thats the main currency in the game and when you find a system for grinding it that works for you stick with it.
After awhile you'll see the more dilithium you have the more ec you can get if you want it.
True very rude of me, and that kind of conduct can not be justified. Though it is crass in delivery by design. It is a challenge to others who maintain a narrow view and have become agrivated not seeing the whole that can be accomplished. I do not even expect those who post in opposition to try. The person who mentored me in doffing told me all you need is to get their, attention and get them to read it. Contraversy sells. You are right in calling me on it though.
I was Klingon before Klingon was cool.
Very true, so how come you spent all this.............
....justifying it.
Let's be brutally honest.
You know nothing particulary earth shattering, you've just stuck to the dilithium grind.
And fair enough, but that doesn't make you special.
Certainly not special enough to post your exceptionally arrogant OP.
A little word of advice......if you were looking to get your ego rubbed, this ant the way to do it.
I am not really sure what the point of this thread was I guess... other then skrimp and save like your grandparents and when you are close to the end you may have something of value perhaps if things don't crash before then.
Let me give you some real advice form someone that has no need of anything. (not because I make do with anything) more because my 20+ toons all have multiple lockbox fleet ships, weapon sets you name it because hey its a game and I spend it when I make it.... anyway to my point.
Don't save NOTHING. Don't hold on to shineys... that is how you get poor in MMOs. Yes yes I know most "rich" folk will tell you to grab things and hold them for months waiting for them to go up. That's silly and its the way poor people invest.
Ride the waves... always ride the waves. Grab and dump, a short profit is better then a long one. High transaction volume with low margin will make you rich... low volume with high margin will not.
For the crafting... keep enough to cycle what you need to level... and make profit on everything else. So far on crafting I have 7 or 8 toons I been bothering with... most of them have at least one school over 10 and I think 2 more weeks or so I will have most of them done on at least the one school. You know what it has cost me so far.... +600million EC. That's right level it and profit from it as you go crazy idea right. Crafting things for profit will never be a road to riches, ever ever. Just like real life the rich people deal in commodities, there is always more value in moving large volume of components over finished product.
we get it, a doller saved is a doller earned.. jesus, youd think you were the only one who had resources in the game lol...
never go full retar* dude, youll go home empty handed..... (yes I took the d out of that because I might have received a pm from a dev telling me its worth an infraction lol..)
Yeah i will third that. There were serious concerns about the EC vendor nerf allowing for even more proce manipulation and out comes the bile to say how puny and stupid we are for not being rich already. Some of these posters are people i have followed and respected for years but that is gone now. They go ballistic over a single power leading to the death of PVP and how dumb the DEVs are but cry, whine, and taunt those who have concerns about other aspects pf the game.
I guess thats why I never really posted in these forums and likely why I wont do so much in the future. This thread is trollfeed and nothing more.
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