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Arena PVP. Yah. I went there.

thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
edited August 2014 in PvP Gameplay
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Oh yes I did. And I brought Marmot Guards.

Marmot Guards are like Praetorian Guards except they only guard Marmots and not Praetors.

See how that works? No you don't, because you're not watching the video.

Now be a good girl and go watch!!
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Whee...boom. Okay, try again - whee...boom. Damn it, try again - whe...boom. Argggh! ;)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    i take vappy things into arena pretty often. a super fragile C@H build isn't going to last long though in the constant 5v5 ball, C&H targets tend to be a bit more isolated. luckily, things like bops can run AtB builds! that can increase survivability quite a bit in that short window your visible, or you can use a warbird, those are at least as durable as escorts.

    i really hate snoopers, tac ship snoopers are especially broken. i spend 90% of my play time on my romulan character dogging their exploiting BS.
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  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thissler wrote: »
    http://thissler.com/

    Oh yes I did.

    And you did vell!! :)
    Visit the Inner Circle YouTube Channel to watch some STO pew pew PVP action!

  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I was on T'Laina there, was hoping you were recording :D and that you would show some of the kills :(
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  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    I was on T'Laina there, was hoping you were recording :D and that you would show some of the kills :(

    Except for that bit at the very beginning where hob got meh and all i show is the respawn button I have all the clips. my tab button is right next to my fraps toggle. i got excited i guess and flubbed it.

    but except for that I got all the ones that i was close to in the video.

    Could you hear the guys in the vid complaining about you? couldyah couldyah?

    you and ur sci magic!

    Hell, you were all over me like klingons on uranus!
  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    While we were playing that match, news regarding the Beam Overload pierced us, you can hear some bits of "WTF" and "Are you joking" lol
    Visit the Inner Circle YouTube Channel to watch some STO pew pew PVP action!

  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Please don't get offended by nit picking (meant more to general pubs who are tempted to use Raiders in Arena):

    1. If caught by a TB you know you won't break anytime soon, switch to a high shield preset. It'll help allies repairs be more effective and in general can buy more time.

    2.a. For squishy ships that you plan on hit and running w/PH is better than TSS imo. There was a time Raiders could dog fight and use TSS to repair midfight, but that is gone. The resists/and TB counter is much more valuable imo.

    b. EPtE is a life saver. That w/a 100 shield, 50 engine preset will get your BoP away from TBs (worst case go to a 100 engine/50 shield preset).

    3. Have a Boff w/Aux2Damp, even w/o doffs it gives immunity to stun type disables that can strip evasives. This can be very helpful vs PSW w/extra shock doffs.

    4. Unless using a multi Lt Commander Boff Raider use the B'rel. The ability to prebuff defenses and use repairs while cloaked can be life savers as well as allow for more linger time as you'll have better defenses coming out of and into cloaks.

    That said BoPs are squishy and have a relatively long recloak timer, so expect to explode.
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  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    1. If you're caught in a TB without TT available, you're dead. Honest. I have proof I can show you.

    2. I would agree. If i wasn't running doffed Aux2ID. I run EPTE already. And I have 4 other hull resists to choose from so not so much of a focus there. But I don't have ANY other shield resists. So there you go.

    3. See above.

    4. I'm really not sure what you mean here. Lets get rid of heals. You don't need em once you're cloaked. Sure it seems nice on a B'rel but meh. I've never felt gimped because my ship didn't hull heal fast enough under cloak. Shield maybe. There's no prebuff of defenses that can be done by a B'rel that can't be done by any other BOP. If you mean popping some sort of resists I wouldn't do that. All you do is dilute what you already get with omega and make yourself super vulnerable to subnuc.

    Anyway the build in the video is optimized for aux/engine batteries that surprise surprise, when I remember to equip them, is what I'm using. Just need to remember them.

    But if anyones looking for any tips on how to evade in a BOP I have one or two pieces just on that.

    As long as it isn't a B'rel. Never use em.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Ohhh, fight - fight - fight...

    In the red corner, we've got the pro-B'rel commentator - unless you're flying the Fleet Norgh - but don't fly the Fleet HoH'SuS.

    In the other red corner, we've got the pro-HoH'Sus commentator - no direct mention of the Fleet Norgh - but don't fly the Fleet B'rel.

    I'm pretty sure in another red corner, we've got the pro-Norgh commentator - right here in this very thread...I'm pretty sure. So what are his thoughts on the B'rel vs. HoH'SuS discussion...or...are they both wrong and it's all about the Norgh?

    Sunday, Sunday, Sunday...join us BoP Fans as the eternal debate is settled once and for all!
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    What he means is that with a B'rel you can pop TSS just before decloak, it will patch up some of your previous damage while you're out there and give a stronger shield for the duration. Hard to do without stepping on your attack powerups but its a nice feature when you get to use it.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thissler wrote: »
    1. If you're caught in a TB without TT available, you're dead. Honest. I have proof I can show you.

    2. I would agree. If i wasn't running doffed Aux2ID. I run EPTE already. And I have 4 other hull resists to choose from so not so much of a focus there. But I don't have ANY other shield resists. So there you go.

    3. See above.

    4. I'm really not sure what you mean here. Lets get rid of heals. You don't need em once you're cloaked. Sure it seems nice on a B'rel but meh. I've never felt gimped because my ship didn't hull heal fast enough under cloak. Shield maybe. There's no prebuff of defenses that can be done by a B'rel that can't be done by any other BOP. If you mean popping some sort of resists I wouldn't do that. All you do is dilute what you already get with omega and make yourself super vulnerable to subnuc.

    Anyway the build in the video is optimized for aux/engine batteries that surprise surprise, when I remember to equip them, is what I'm using. Just need to remember them.

    But if anyones looking for any tips on how to evade in a BOP I have one or two pieces just on that.

    As long as it isn't a B'rel. Never use em.

    Regarding 4, I've prebuffed runs w/aux2damp or PH to boost resists while decloaking near FaW or other AoE energy damage (PH) or things I know will cause interrupts (aux2damp). Those can also be used after hitting cloak, but before others lose targets on you to boost resists. Also, I usually run Sci so I don't always have APO in a build.

    A player can use TB while cloaked in a B'rel (though need to remember to decloak) for a little more initiative. Or spam some Sci w/travel time like SS & VM out around 8 K and decloak and TB when it hits. But, for Tac Alphas, the TB would really be the only one. Also, can launch TS ~ 8k out, glide in and TB, then decloak + TB + other Alpha. It's also a way of feigning attack runs to trigger a reaction and come back later.

    My old Tac I'd pop a resists decloak & run to get a good GDF, and come back w/a stronger alpha. I'd save the PH for when APO is Nuked (or save aux2damp). But, there were times when torpedos et al were away and have ET or a 2nd hull repair to HE would make up the difference. But, in general I agree no more than 2 repairs and personally I'd not use shield repair boffs.

    Regarding point 1 there's enough ability to turn, rep repair procs, item repair procs, decent regen shields out there imo going to a 100/50 shield/engine is still best. If no other reason than a pugmate tosses a TT your way.

    Also, please keep in mind you weren't the target nor your build. Just some things I noticed.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    What he means is that with a B'rel you can pop TSS just before decloak, it will patch up some of your previous damage while you're out there and give a stronger shield for the duration. Hard to do without stepping on your attack powerups but its a nice feature when you get to use it.

    That's one of them, though tbh I rarely run TSS on Raiders which I rarely run anymore anyway.
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Ohhh, fight - fight - fight...

    In the red corner, we've got the pro-B'rel commentator - unless you're flying the Fleet Norgh - but don't fly the Fleet HoH'SuS.

    In the other red corner, we've got the pro-HoH'Sus commentator - no direct mention of the Fleet Norgh - but don't fly the Fleet B'rel.

    I'm pretty sure in another red corner, we've got the pro-Norgh commentator - right here in this very thread...I'm pretty sure. So what are his thoughts on the B'rel vs. HoH'SuS discussion...or...are they both wrong and it's all about the Norgh?

    Sunday, Sunday, Sunday...join us BoP Fans as the eternal debate is settled once and for all!

    I wasn't fighting lol, just trying to give newer Raider pilots some feedback. Also, there's a mirror 2x Lt Console Raider out there. Thissler has a nice video of C&H w/it iirc.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I am allergic to recording arena PvP
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    p2wsucks wrote: »
    I wasn't fighting lol, just trying to give newer Raider pilots some feedback. Also, there's a mirror 2x Lt Console Raider out there. Thissler has a nice video of C&H w/it iirc.

    But, but, but...it wouldn't have been a real fight, just a mock fight - highlighting some of the pros/cons of the various available BoPs for folks that might have different playstyles and something to give folks to think about. ;)
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Its all good. Just saying I wouldn't buff resists any further than using omega and having TT up coming out of cloak on an alpha with a normal battlecloak. Thats about your highest defense rating right there so most likely you won't even be hit. So as your resists are already buffed by say, omega, you're going to get poor returns on your power plus if you eat a sub nuc, there goes one of your backups. But yes, if you don't use omega, then sure you're going to want something else going on, like PH.

    After a few seconds as I'm evading I'll combine one speed/defense boost with one resist boost for max benefit. And if I get a nuc or I need a second stage evade I have 2 more of each on deck. Okay I lied. I have more than that. But you get the idea. I'm all about redundancy.

    Call me paranoid.

    Unless I'm purely messing about like in that arena match, I'm pretty strict on myself about evading and getting under cloak as soon as it's available.

    I do like to have a hull hardener for right before I cloak though and I always have one left to choose from.

    Unless of course I've already been turned into space dust!
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    But, but, but...it wouldn't have been a real fight, just a mock fight - highlighting some of the pros/cons of the various available BoPs for folks that might have different playstyles and something to give folks to think about. ;)

    I see were you going, but 2011 called and said we aren't getting our Raiders back so it doesn't matter anymore :P, :(.
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