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Vesta Bundle or Adv. Dyson Science Destroyers, PvP wise
riccardo171
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Hello everyone 
As I pointed in another thread, I'm looking to buy science ships for my two Federation characters, a science and a tactical officer.
I've excluded the Intrepid because it's just way too outdated, compared to the Vesta bundle and the Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer bundle. To make easier to compare them
Vestas
ADSD
1.35 - Shield modifier - 1.457
27,900 - Hull HP - 31,350
3/3 - weapon slots - 3+1/3
12 - turn rate - 12 (+2 in TM)
0.15 - impulse mod - 0.16 (0.2 in TM)
40 - inertia rating - 50 (+20 in TM)
Lt Tac, Lt Engi, Commander sci, Ensign and LtComm universals - BOFF Layout - LtComm and ensign tac, lt engi, commander sci, lt universal. With LtComm and Comm switched in TM.
On the other hand the Vesta... well... loses in everything. Only real difference is between the respective sets and BOFF setup.
Clear enough, what's a better pick between them? Stat wise I see ADSD as the superior choice, but I'd rather get more insights from someone who used them
My tac officer would turn them in a TBR/FBP boat, my sci in a shutdown build.
On a personal note, I love the Aventine look. Looks like a true Federation ship.
As I pointed in another thread, I'm looking to buy science ships for my two Federation characters, a science and a tactical officer.
I've excluded the Intrepid because it's just way too outdated, compared to the Vesta bundle and the Advanced Dyson Science Destroyer bundle. To make easier to compare them
Vestas
ADSD
1.35 - Shield modifier - 1.457
27,900 - Hull HP - 31,350
3/3 - weapon slots - 3+1/3
12 - turn rate - 12 (+2 in TM)
0.15 - impulse mod - 0.16 (0.2 in TM)
40 - inertia rating - 50 (+20 in TM)
Lt Tac, Lt Engi, Commander sci, Ensign and LtComm universals - BOFF Layout - LtComm and ensign tac, lt engi, commander sci, lt universal. With LtComm and Comm switched in TM.
On the other hand the Vesta... well... loses in everything. Only real difference is between the respective sets and BOFF setup.
Clear enough, what's a better pick between them? Stat wise I see ADSD as the superior choice, but I'd rather get more insights from someone who used them
My tac officer would turn them in a TBR/FBP boat, my sci in a shutdown build.
On a personal note, I love the Aventine look. Looks like a true Federation ship.
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I would wait until Season 10, because the Vesta will get an Update then. And we all know what Cryptic means by "Update"....it will be OP :cool:
Told you once bro, told you twice, Vesta everytime :P
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Even in the case, it's a C-Store ship, can be dismissed and reclaimed at will. Probably the said update would be the secondary deflector but until then, I can live without it.
Agreed, Vesta allows for more flexibility. The set is, IMO, great for defensive purposes, with the shield bubble and the multidimensional graviton shield, along the Fermion Field that grants one of the best heals in game. Weaky Phaser Quantum Focus though. However I've seen the Dyson ships' consoles do some crazy stuff as well.
Well why?
The primary issue with the DSD is that it requires you to spec into Proton damage to use the built-in cannon. The c-store tac console also uses and buffs Proton damage. But proton damage is not buffed by partgens so its not a science thing. You are asking for a tac captain so maybe that's okay for you, buff it with APA/APO/FOMM, and your tac can make the DSD do a lot of damage. But you have to spec the whole ship into proton to get there, and really its just not a sci ship anymore its a proton-based destroyer.
Do you want to fly a sci ship? or do you want to fly a proton-based destroyer?
My tac wants to do damage, it's what its career is for. I would use for sure TBR and FBP as sources of damage, and other Particle Generators-related abilities to do so. Additionally, with Vesta I can just take down Weapon Power and divert everything to Auxiliary to use the integrated Dual Heavies; one less subsystem to keep running.
My sci wants to do a drain build, already spec for it.
Boosting proton damage requires me to give up a lot on Phaser damage (it's what I use on my Fed characters) just for one single proton DHC.
However, on chart it seems that DSD is superior regarding base stats. Maybe it's just the case to buy the Vesta bundle and the tac DSD for my Romulan (battle cloaking... Crit rates), but this is just an idea.
Vesta uni BOFF seating is mostly what makes them very very very good. You can run 4+3 sci with 2+1 engi. Or you can run 4+3+1 sci. Awesome.
Yup. Leaves more room for science abilities, able to run two copies of the same power for costant cycling. Or give the LtComm to engi and have access to high ranking powers, like EWP for Crowd Control. 4-3-1 sci is the Intrepid boff setup, not quite awesome.
The shield bubble seems a lot useful in the hype of BO update.
Yep, I think I'm going with the Vesta bundle! Of course if someone wants to add something to the discussion feel free to do so.
That said, a AtB/AtD or AtB/AtB TBR spamming DSD can be pretty awesome (much like the dhelan) especially when the new science crafting trait becomes available, but that wont be for a while.
Naturally, one is a science destroyer, the other is a science vessel.
You don't use a destroyer to strictly be a science vessel, it is meant to be a destroyer first, and science heavy to back it up.
You all are trying to compare the two ships, like comparing an orange with a tangerine.
Personally IMO, both vessels offer up good choices, and me personally I prefer the DSD for my Romulan toons, and would probably stick with the Vesta for a Fed toon.
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