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Honourless dogs at Ker'rat
deaftravis05
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So I'm hunting for borg. I'm well aware of Klingons on the prowl and engaged a few. Lost some, won some...
then this klingon attacks me... in a b'ret... no alpha strike. I think it was an engineer because of his impressive heals.
I'm in an excel, with pvp weapons and after about 10-15 seconds of engaging him, I rip him a new one and proceed. He does not damage me at all.
He returns, after I eliminate a squadron of probes. He gets a shield down but I quickly adapt and destroy him even faster.
He tries again... and dies.
I'm thinking he gives up. I go engage a squadron of klingons in a dogfight with feds. I die. Oh well.
Then I engage the tac cubes, I'm fighting 2 tac cubes and a bunch of smaller ones. He decides to jump me then... my threat rating is high so everyone's shooting at me... and i finally die.
Seriously? you had to wait til 2 tac cubes, a bunch of cubes and whatever else in the area shoots at me, before you try to ambush me? Where's the honour in that?
pagh batlh nuch
then this klingon attacks me... in a b'ret... no alpha strike. I think it was an engineer because of his impressive heals.
I'm in an excel, with pvp weapons and after about 10-15 seconds of engaging him, I rip him a new one and proceed. He does not damage me at all.
He returns, after I eliminate a squadron of probes. He gets a shield down but I quickly adapt and destroy him even faster.
He tries again... and dies.
I'm thinking he gives up. I go engage a squadron of klingons in a dogfight with feds. I die. Oh well.
Then I engage the tac cubes, I'm fighting 2 tac cubes and a bunch of smaller ones. He decides to jump me then... my threat rating is high so everyone's shooting at me... and i finally die.
Seriously? you had to wait til 2 tac cubes, a bunch of cubes and whatever else in the area shoots at me, before you try to ambush me? Where's the honour in that?
pagh batlh nuch
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system Lord Baal is dead
You put yourself in a situation where you had to juggle a lot. Not the enemy's fault to pick a time and place and setting of his choosing to his or her advantage.
That's war.
Even 1-on-1 space battles is not how the Klingons wage war. Or anyone else that I can think of in Star Trek in general. The Klingons have their own sense of honor and it's not the same of some ideal Earthbound knights in shining armor with beautiful pennants flying and fair maidens watching in the stands in a field of grass, watching a tourney.
Anyways, picking a fight where the enemy is at the most disadvantaged is one of the most basic fundamentals. Your opponent earlier couldn't do the job done as normal. But he did get you later, and you crying here on the forums thoroughly proves how completely and thoroughly you lost.
On the battlefield.
And off the battlefield
The Klingon sense of honor, like so much else in Star Trek, is extremely malleable and varies from series-to-series, episode-to-episode, character-to-character. It means whatever the writers want it to mean for that particular episode. Anything can be honorable or dishonorable as long as it's a klingon saying it, and nobody questions it.
And I have been the Fed getting picked off too. But I wouldn't make a thread about it. Feds outnumber KDF 5 to 1 nearly all the time. And really, if you get picked off in what I assume to be an A2B Cruiser, that's strictly your fault.
I have less reasons to go to Ker'rat anymore though. Vendortrash nerf and 9.5's even more powercreep has made my build less relevant.
klingon honour is not to stab people in the back, but to fight as even as possible.
IMO, what's dishonorable about the situation isn't so much that the KDF guy got a kill on him while he was engaged with the two Tac cubes, but rather the notion that said kill is somehow just as glorious as a kill that is scored one-on-one. If I kill someone with an armada at my back, it is NOT as glorious as if the kill is entirely my own effort. Yes, it matters that the enemy is just as dead no matter who killed him or how, but I would not deserve a medal for "shooting fish in a barrel".
An honorable Klingon would have completed what he started instead of running away like a bIHnuch.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My character Tsin'xing
Yeah they did that at Fed academy too. That event was me waking up at 2-3am my time to get my fed and klink done with that event.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
But what if you are an Orion or a Gorn? It's just not practical to sit and wait for Q to finish shuffling himself.
Besides, you can tell which are which before they are activated.
OP, you are just too tied up in the idea that honorable is what you say it is. If you are going to superimpose your ideal of honor onto another player, does that in turn make you derelict in your duty and unfit for command for chasing personal glory and profit at the expense of your crew? Shouldn't you be answering distress calls or providing support and supply to colonies in need?
This is a game, and you were in a PvP zone where the red team has the ability to shoot you. You don't need to make a post about getting killed. :rolleyes:
Honor, like most things, is a concept that is open to interpretation and each individual's point of view (and ulterior motives). That and nothing is more honorable than victory, especially when the victor writes the history books:D
Join The Space Invaders,..... Federation and KDF fleets.
Exactly.
It might have been me, but I don't think I attacked anyone who was dealing with 2 Tac Cubes...
Flexible ethics must be real handy.
I could see though if they were using a romulan ship or a lockbox ship but even with flanking they aren't anywhere as viable as a romulan/reman can be. The one fun thing to do to ppl who just carry shield heals is using a brel with bio torps/mines and watch them melt to death lol. Although enough fed players cry about those weapons they will get nerfed its the way it always has been tho. Just enjoy them while they are still usable I say
It's Ker'rat, so it works and it's stupid not taking advantage of your opponent's difficulties
It's the same when my klingon enter in ker'rat and 5-6 fed ships attack me.
again: it's ker'rat, so it works... and I'd like having sectors and systems where feds and klingons fight for controlling the area... like on BSG
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
There's no honor, only a happy feeling when the exploding animation starts :cool:..
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
The Federation has mastered this art. :P
garak states, "When the Klingons attacked the station, Gul Dukat and I were fighting side by side. At one point, he turned his back to me, and I must admit that for a moment, he made a very tempting target."
as odo asks, "you'd shoot a man in the back?"
garak responds, "well, it's the safest way isn't it?"
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Might I remind you that the writers wrote Kor as a commie russian? Klingon honour was more defined in the 24th century. Most Klingons are honourable.
Except a Romulan wouldn't have had to die multiple times before using this tactic.
Don't make me laugh. Most Klingons talk about honour, few have it.
system Lord Baal is dead
This coming from the Federation, the same people who brought you the Prime directive: "The rules don't apply to me" :rolleyes:
The meaning of honor is not universal, even on Earth.
Nope. Don't like the Feds either. :P
Yes, you're right.
I was talking about Klingon honour. In DS9 and TNG, the lack of Klingon honour in huge parts of Klingon society became quite clear.
Here, this may help you.
You are making a value judgement on another culture who may hold vastly different views on something. You are viewing through the lens of your prejudices.
Also:
The Federation is evil and filled with horrible people because some of them have been shown in some episodes doing Really Bad Things.
The Romulans are a bunch of dirty, backstabbing, narrow, xenophobic, murdering, villains because there were some Romulans on a couple of episodes who were clearly shown as such.
I am the most unbiased person....seriously.