Many of these comments baffles me. Are you serious about that nothing about the struggle for equality matter? If that is the case why don't you close your minds for every other group that have been shown in Star Trek that has been oppressed through history. Women, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Natives in all the colonies of the oppressing countries or invaders/emigrants that spread throughout the world (sowing the seeds to almost all the conflicts we see in the world today). Please explain why only some people should be treated as equals and get to be shown in a positive light in Star Trek.
Star Trek is about more then straight white men and their female conquests in the galaxy.
It's about the persons evolving, developing and their relations they form under the course of the series and movies.
How boring would Star Trek be if there were no social interaction and we learned nothing about the person behind the uniform?
BTW get your facts straight, pun intended, David Mack wrote for DS9 and is a way greater man then any of you seem to be. So just as Chekov, Uhura, Sulu, Picard or any one else have been role models in their way, we need to have role-models for LGBT-folks as well.
Those that have problems seeing that needs to re-evaluate how open-minded they are and how much they embraces the true meaning of the core value of Star Trek -> IDIC.
And again, you're missing the point. The game is set in the 25th century. The reason none of this is commented on in-universe is because in-universe, nobody gives half a hump if you like to TRIBBLE guys, girls, and/or cattle.
All they care about is whether you're willing and able to serve your country. Anything else is irrelevant. Which is exactly the kind of society we need to promote. I myself have a TRIBBLE friend and coworker, and the fact that she's TRIBBLE doesn't make a difference to me, a straight guy (despite my avatar and the fact I play female characters 90% of the time, I'm a straight white male Anglo-Saxon Protestant). All I care is, can she use a hammer and a set of pliers properly? She can, so she's fine by me.
Just like with Uhura, a black, female commissioned officer in the 1960s, and Chekov, a Russian at the height of the Cold War, both of whom are just there without making any bones about their ethnicity or sex, you call attention to it by not calling attention to it. Nobody in-show comments on it because as far as they're concerned it's accepted and doesn't matter, and people outside the show start thinking, hmm, maybe we should emulate that.
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
I read Mr. Mack's response on Blastr, and I find his comments to be hypocritical. I respect his views and the defense of LGBT, but how can he promote IDIC and equality when he refuses to do the same regarding this individuals views?
I read Mr. Mack's response on Blastr, and I find his comments to be hypocritical. I respect his views and the defense of LGBT, but how can he promote IDIC and equality when he refuses to do the same regarding this individuals views?
But IMHO, somehow I feel the guy got trolled.
It's even worse when you actually read about the relationship the characters had, and the context it was placed in.
The vulcan character has a male's katra inside her brain that couldn't be removed when she went to Mount Seleya to try to separate it. The male in question attempted to force himself on her many years ago. Now she's insane and in a relationship with that klingon woman.
It's equal parts misogyny and hypocrisy from David Hack.
Many of these comments baffles me. Are you serious about that nothing about the struggle for equality matter? If that is the case why don't you close your minds for every other group that have been shown in Star Trek that has been oppressed through history. Women, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Natives in all the colonies of the oppressing countries or invaders/emigrants that spread throughout the world (sowing the seeds to almost all the conflicts we see in the world today). Please explain why only some people should be treated as equals and get to be shown in a positive light in Star Trek.
Star Trek is about more then straight white men and their female conquests in the galaxy.
It's about the persons evolving, developing and their relations they form under the course of the series and movies.
How boring would Star Trek be if there were no social interaction and we learned nothing about the person behind the uniform?
BTW get your facts straight, pun intended, David Mack wrote for DS9 and is a way greater man then any of you seem to be. So just as Chekov, Uhura, Sulu, Picard or any one else have been role models in their way, we need to have role-models for LGBT-folks as well.
Those that have problems seeing that needs to re-evaluate how open-minded they are and how much they embraces the true meaning of the core value of Star Trek -> IDIC.
Please stop trolling the forum. It's been very quiet since your last round of posting, please just go away, or better yet, have the courage to post under your true forum name rather than an obvious sock account.
As I said over the page:
- This game is written to appeal to a prime demographic. The devs will not accommodate minority demographics just because a minority feels they deserve to be better represented. Either play the game with the options available, or just stop playing and find something which does cater to your demographic.
- It was never an issue or represented on the series, because it was not an issue which the era considered worthy of note.
- The link to a David Mack comment was specifically relating to one of his novels, which is firmly soft-canon. He was not commenting on any DS-9 episodes, but novels which he wrote. He did not address the topic you seem so fixated on as it was represented in on screen canon, because again, IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED ONSCREEN...
- Legislation might even prevent such content even being included...
This thread is becoming way too adversarial for a topic about tolerance and equality.
Time for a reset. I'm closing the thread before it escalates any further.
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Star Trek is about more then straight white men and their female conquests in the galaxy.
It's about the persons evolving, developing and their relations they form under the course of the series and movies.
How boring would Star Trek be if there were no social interaction and we learned nothing about the person behind the uniform?
BTW get your facts straight, pun intended, David Mack wrote for DS9 and is a way greater man then any of you seem to be. So just as Chekov, Uhura, Sulu, Picard or any one else have been role models in their way, we need to have role-models for LGBT-folks as well.
Those that have problems seeing that needs to re-evaluate how open-minded they are and how much they embraces the true meaning of the core value of Star Trek -> IDIC.
All they care about is whether you're willing and able to serve your country. Anything else is irrelevant. Which is exactly the kind of society we need to promote. I myself have a TRIBBLE friend and coworker, and the fact that she's TRIBBLE doesn't make a difference to me, a straight guy (despite my avatar and the fact I play female characters 90% of the time, I'm a straight white male Anglo-Saxon Protestant). All I care is, can she use a hammer and a set of pliers properly? She can, so she's fine by me.
Just like with Uhura, a black, female commissioned officer in the 1960s, and Chekov, a Russian at the height of the Cold War, both of whom are just there without making any bones about their ethnicity or sex, you call attention to it by not calling attention to it. Nobody in-show comments on it because as far as they're concerned it's accepted and doesn't matter, and people outside the show start thinking, hmm, maybe we should emulate that.
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I read Mr. Mack's response on Blastr, and I find his comments to be hypocritical. I respect his views and the defense of LGBT, but how can he promote IDIC and equality when he refuses to do the same regarding this individuals views?
But IMHO, somehow I feel the guy got trolled.
It's even worse when you actually read about the relationship the characters had, and the context it was placed in.
The vulcan character has a male's katra inside her brain that couldn't be removed when she went to Mount Seleya to try to separate it. The male in question attempted to force himself on her many years ago. Now she's insane and in a relationship with that klingon woman.
It's equal parts misogyny and hypocrisy from David Hack.
Please stop trolling the forum. It's been very quiet since your last round of posting, please just go away, or better yet, have the courage to post under your true forum name rather than an obvious sock account.
As I said over the page:
- This game is written to appeal to a prime demographic. The devs will not accommodate minority demographics just because a minority feels they deserve to be better represented. Either play the game with the options available, or just stop playing and find something which does cater to your demographic.
- It was never an issue or represented on the series, because it was not an issue which the era considered worthy of note.
- The link to a David Mack comment was specifically relating to one of his novels, which is firmly soft-canon. He was not commenting on any DS-9 episodes, but novels which he wrote. He did not address the topic you seem so fixated on as it was represented in on screen canon, because again, IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED ONSCREEN...
- Legislation might even prevent such content even being included...
Time for a reset. I'm closing the thread before it escalates any further.
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