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rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
Why the hell were borg buffed to insane levels? It's impossible to run ISE now. I had an entire team get freaking MELTED nonstop by damned SPHERES. If the tac cube saw you, you got vaped. ALL of us died 5+ times. Kind of funny because minutes before this I survived the full attention of a voth citadel ship in TBE and didn't die once.

I and everybody else was calling utter BS. After 7 minutes or so of being REAMED stupidly, I rolled the log. God damned plasma torpedoes. Did 56% of the damage, spiked to 50K, were invisible, had perfect aim (never missed), and the plasma burn was so fast it melted your hull through whatever shields you had left instantly. We had our tankiest team member in a borty -- which is NO slouch in the hull or shields department. He was being vaped as readily as any of us. The Scimi was down 75% of the match, as after the 5th/6th death our respawn times were well over a minute in duration.



It's insanely unbalanced. Why does cryptic do this? Seriously? PLAY YOUR OWN FREAKING GAME AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE BEFORE RELEASING A GAME BREAKING PATCH!


No QA whatsoever. None at all.
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    brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited July 2014
    this is a troll, right? gotta be a troll

    I've been doing STF's for crafting mats since the patch came out and haven't noticed a difference.
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    gardatgardat Member Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yeah there's been no changes at all to STFs. If anything they're easier than ever with the new space traits. I've been sleepwalking them.

    OP: Perhaps you can clarify exactly what you are talking about?
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited July 2014
    Working fine. Get a better team.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    brandonfl wrote: »
    this is a troll, right? gotta be a troll

    Nah, I think the OP's just talking about a single run that just happened to be one of those runs you only see once out of every 75-100 runs or so if that.

    They're a trip, imho...and should maybe be the way ISE actually plays out.

    One of those where the queue drops you into an ISE where the optional is already failed...you figured somebody trolled the team, as you're making your way over two of the guys die, so you start to think maybe the guy that left was tired of the rest, and as you engage...bam, you're looking at the respawn button.

    The ones where the cubes are firing 200-300k torps, the spheres are dropping out 80-100k torps, and it's just boom-boom-boom fun! The Gate spams burns faster than folks can keep up HE and they just melt the hull.

    I like to joke that it's devs playing the Borg, cause they're ticked off at something the players have said so they're getting some revenge...

    ...with the recent complaints, lol - could it be true rather than a joke? ;)
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    rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No, they shouldn't.

    Punishing players for doing it right is a bad game model. Giving 1-hit kills with NO defense and NO tactics to avoid/bypass the death is BAD game design. There's no good thing that comes from this kind of gameplay, ever.


    And no, it wasn't a troll. Deathly serious.
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    bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yeah, sounds to me like your average STO "Borked Borg" run ... I had a similar experience 'before' the patch ...

    Damn gate in ISE decided it didn't like the colour of my hull or something, so it melted it down, repeatedly! The Cubes and Spheres, had the flu or something, because they were sneezing out green HY snot balls constantly, and then suddenly wammo! Insta-death from a Cryptic patented Borg Stealth Torpedo of Doom (TM) ...

    3 Respawns later, the rest of the team had finished and none of them had even been targeted the whole time ... Still, I got the reward, with the optional, so <shrug> effluent secretion occurs randomly.
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    shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It is the same, as it has been for some while now, what the problem is, is that the borg gates/cubes torpedoes land near 100% perfect critical hit rates, with somewhere in the neighborhood of about 100-200%+ CRTD.

    The average (unseen most of the time omega plasma torpedo) does easy 20-60k damage each, and than you have the insta-kill HY versions, doing easy 60-200k+ damage each.

    Now the funny thing is, the HY ones are easily avoidable, and I have even had them hit me with no DR buffs, and do jack squat for damage, but most often it will eradicate you.

    As for the normal ones, they cause more overall dps, and in a lot of cases is what most player's die from.
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    tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No, they shouldn't.

    Punishing players for doing it right is a bad game model. Giving 1-hit kills with NO defense and NO tactics to avoid/bypass the death is BAD game design. There's no good thing that comes from this kind of gameplay, ever.


    And no, it wasn't a troll. Deathly serious.

    ANother sensible person in game not wanting every enemy to be an invincible instant hit kill monter for challange?

    A sign of the apocalypse.
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    qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Nah, I think the OP's just talking about a single run that just happened to be one of those runs you only see once out of every 75-100 runs or so if that.

    They're a trip, imho...and should maybe be the way ISE actually plays out.

    One of those where the queue drops you into an ISE where the optional is already failed...you figured somebody trolled the team, as you're making your way over two of the guys die, so you start to think maybe the guy that left was tired of the rest, and as you engage...bam, you're looking at the respawn button.

    The ones where the cubes are firing 200-300k torps, the spheres are dropping out 80-100k torps, and it's just boom-boom-boom fun! The Gate spams burns faster than folks can keep up HE and they just melt the hull.

    I like to joke that it's devs playing the Borg, cause they're ticked off at something the players have said so they're getting some revenge...

    ...with the recent complaints, lol - could it be true rather than a joke? ;)

    I had the exact same thing last night, zoned into a poohstorm ISE, 3 dead, only 1 side down and nano spheres sat all nice and comfortable on the right hand side complex.. i just tilted the cap forward, played the mighty mouse theme tune in my head and got stuck in.. got stealth nuked twice, but we adapted, overcame and kicked it into overderve.

    i like your idea that it could be the dev team blowing of steam.. reading the last few days worth of forum pages, who'd blame them?
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    rblaher988rblaher988 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I did ISE quite a bit yesterday it seems unchanged. They werent hitting any harder than they used to. As a matter of fact every run went really smooth and I waa the odd man out (using a loaner pc which doesnt preform well) even made it through both CSE and KASE with out incident. So either this was an odd occurance or there was player error involved.
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It happens every now and again.

    Kind of like that time of the month for the Borg Queen, I guess.
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    mscowboymscowboy Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    OP got my hopes up so I jumped into one. They're still as easy as ever :(
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    innuwarriorinnuwarrior Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Nothing wrong with the borg. I've done many stf and haven't died any more than before update.
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    gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Why the hell were borg buffed to insane levels? It's impossible to run ISE now. I had an entire team get freaking MELTED nonstop by damned SPHERES. If the tac cube saw you, you got vaped. ALL of us died 5+ times. Kind of funny because minutes before this I survived the full attention of a voth citadel ship in TBE and didn't die once.

    I and everybody else was calling utter BS. After 7 minutes or so of being REAMED stupidly, I rolled the log. God damned plasma torpedoes. Did 56% of the damage, spiked to 50K, were invisible, had perfect aim (never missed), and the plasma burn was so fast it melted your hull through whatever shields you had left instantly. We had our tankiest team member in a borty -- which is NO slouch in the hull or shields department. He was being vaped as readily as any of us. The Scimi was down 75% of the match, as after the 5th/6th death our respawn times were well over a minute in duration.



    It's insanely unbalanced. Why does cryptic do this? Seriously? PLAY YOUR OWN FREAKING GAME AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE BEFORE RELEASING A GAME BREAKING PATCH!


    No QA whatsoever. None at all.


    I've noticed an increase in difficulty, though I would not call it unbalanced.
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    firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No, they shouldn't.

    Punishing players for doing it right is a bad game model. Giving 1-hit kills with NO defense and NO tactics to avoid/bypass the death is BAD game design. There's no good thing that comes from this kind of gameplay, ever.


    And no, it wasn't a troll. Deathly serious.

    don't you talk about hive? one shots, out of range, are common there, from the cigars, or the queen, but ISE is supposed to be the easiest "elite" space borg content of the game (no wonder it's queue is always full). so, if you got in a wrong pug game, forget it, it happens to all of us once in a while, if your premade team struggled with the map, than you have some things to worry about, check your ships, gears, skills and tactics. my fleet buddies and I did it under couple minutes, popping the two generators at the same time, and i'm sure it wasn't even a time record. practice, practice.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Maybe a dedicated healer somewhere in the mix may be in order? Nahhh, people want moar DPS.

    Anyways, the torps will hit you hard but the burns is what really get you. Shields in somewhat decent shape but your hull is melting. You can only have HE up so long and the cleanse DOFF isn't a guarantee.

    Maybe the Borg 3 piece can help? It does remove hazards. In conjunction with other clearing methods, this may help keep you alive.

    But nahhh, you want moar DPS.

    Anyways, I don't think the STFs are any harder or easier. They're still easy with the Borg TAC Cubes or Gates hammering you good once in a while. If you're CC'ing a bunch of spheres AND attacking them, you better have your defenses and heals ready. Other than that, still easy as always.
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    chemist6lpchemist6lp Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    What's with all those one-hit kills? I barely see those.

    But then, I sometimes dare to use Hazard Emitters to increase my resistance. And God forbid I ever used Aux2SIF or Brace for Impact. That would make me as invincible as those mean spheres and cubes, right?

    I guess it's silly of me to shoot those heavy torps down when I don't have any heals available. Or to use Tactical Team to keep my shields balanced. Because that just screams hax, right?

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    If you can't handle it, maybe you should switch to normals. It certainly won't hurt the queues.
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    rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    One condescending mouth-off response is all I let slide. Two is going overboard.

    Just stop being petty and ignorant. The world will be better off.

    FYI I'm on DPS 10000. I'm no super min/maxer, I don't have a scimi, I've never got near 20k DPS, but I know when something isn't working. It wasn't me and it wasn't anybody else in the match. It was the game. The game for some stupid reason (the reason: Cryptic refuses to fix bugs) amped up damage through the damned roof for that instance and was wiping everyone out with instant kills nonstop.

    So stop being so full of yourself. You don't even begin to know what what happening, based on your response. Maybe if you played the game more you'd run into some of these problems, instead of mouthing off on the forums?
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It happens sometimes, but its not normal and in no way is the game "unplayable". The issue *could* be solved with team work... get away from the gate, one player kites the cube off, the other 4 handle the spheres.

    As for the deathtorps, most of that is the cube. The spheres can get feisty too but mostly its the cube. Any aoe will solve this: get back about 5k so you have room to hit the torps, and mash aoe buttons (FAW, scatter, GW, etc). The torps don't hit anyone when you do this. You are not supposed to survive these, you are supposed to handle them and never be hit by them. Stuff happens, though.

    If all 6 or whatever spheres target 1 person, that person is gonna hurt if not uber. There isnt much to do about that. One common cause is the person that GW the spheres gets melted after the GW ends or if he wanders in range of the group. In a lot of runs, you drop GW and then blast the gen, then blast the 2 spawn spheres, and by this time the GW is over and all the mad as heck spheres target the GW player and this does not end well if the other players do not step up and aoe them down quickly.

    The problem is the "accepted" method is to shoot gate, then cube. IMHO weak groups should drag the cube off the gate and kill it first. Also it is rough if the spheres are still alive when the cube arrives. The cube is rather slow, you are supposed to be able to kill the spheres before it can get at you. If not, divide and conquer approach is the way to go. A very weak team can handle this instance, with coordination. Without coordination, even a strong team can get in trouble sometimes.

    If the group did all this and the spheres were one-shotting you (while the cube and gate were far away), it was either a rare bug or a very weak team.
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    dsarisdsaris Member Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Slept through a complete "Elite" STF run last night... no changes noted. Seriously, the Borg are a joke compared to the Undine.
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    woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    dsaris wrote: »
    Slept through a complete "Elite" STF run last night... no changes noted. Seriously, the Borg are a joke compared to the Undine.

    Both are a joke. The Undine are just a lot more annoying with jumps and gravwells.
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    trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    One condescending mouth-off response is all I let slide. Two is going overboard.

    Just stop being petty and ignorant. The world will be better off.

    FYI I'm on DPS 10000. I'm no super min/maxer, I don't have a scimi, I've never got near 20k DPS, but I know when something isn't working. It wasn't me and it wasn't anybody else in the match. It was the game. The game for some stupid reason (the reason: Cryptic refuses to fix bugs) amped up damage through the damned roof for that instance and was wiping everyone out with instant kills nonstop.

    So stop being so full of yourself. You don't even begin to know what what happening, based on your response. Maybe if you played the game more you'd run into some of these problems, instead of mouthing off on the forums?
    Well, everyone's being condescending, a little... but they are saying the truth: the vast majority of STF's are done with ease. Maybe not curb-stomp ease, or min-maxed ease, or even 'really trying', but still with ease.

    One-shot kills still happen, but are usually handled, due to the standard approach of making sure the Borg don't swarm you. That's avoided for a reason

    So I suggest you don't assume they haven't played the game; many run the STF's for breakfast, almost literally
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