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wildkazoo
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Someone point me in the right direction if these questions have already been addressed, but if not, here goes.
But first, a comment. The new guides for the color layout are excellent and most welcome. And if you need them all in one place look here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1166851
Now on to my questions about the new Odyssey uniforms (which I think look quite snazzy). Are there no Odyssey skirts? Or do they use the Academy skirts just like some of the uniforms use the Academy pants?
Next, do all flag officers and captains have to use the red band? What if it's a science or engineering officer that is a Vice Admiral? Do they still use the red?
And with the captain uniforms, does that mean captain rank or just captain of a starship? What if someone is only a commander in rank but does command a starship? Would they wear the white top captain uniform?
But first, a comment. The new guides for the color layout are excellent and most welcome. And if you need them all in one place look here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1166851
Now on to my questions about the new Odyssey uniforms (which I think look quite snazzy). Are there no Odyssey skirts? Or do they use the Academy skirts just like some of the uniforms use the Academy pants?
Next, do all flag officers and captains have to use the red band? What if it's a science or engineering officer that is a Vice Admiral? Do they still use the red?
And with the captain uniforms, does that mean captain rank or just captain of a starship? What if someone is only a commander in rank but does command a starship? Would they wear the white top captain uniform?
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From the images posted by askray, I'm assuming the Odyssey uniform doesn't use Skirts...
I would assume based on how in DS9 there's been flag officers with the TNG style Admiral's uniform who's part of the Engineering/Security Department (Yellow).
So I think it would be fine to use the yellow/blue colour for the band inplace of the red.
I think this is based on command role (ie: If they are Captain of a Starship).
What I've also done with this, is that like with the Flag Officers uniform, if they are part of the Engineering Division and are commanding a ship, then their uniform would get a yellow band rather than the red band.
Hope this helps clear things up.
I own the academy uniform, and teh skirt for it goes well with the Odyssey uniform.
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Not true. Cadets were shown to have command of the USS Valiant in DS9. Granted I never understood why nog didn't just officially take command as he was an starfleet officer. Yes, granted with the rank of Ensign but still he outranked cadets...
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If I recall, the Captain of the Valiant put the cadet in charge, and that was his last standing order.
Which would have superceded Nog's command? I'm a little fuzzy on how that whole thing works.
Still was stupid of him...because he wanted to be part of Red Squad...
What happened in JJ's first movie was different. Kirk went from cadet to captain in less than a day, for no good reason.
The white shoulders represent the command role, so technically they don't always apply to the rank of Captain. They could apply to an Admiral or even an Ensign, so long as they are in command of something such as a starship, starbase, or even a mobile squad/squadron not assigned to a ship or starbase. However, I think the white shoulders would only be used for Captain rank or higher with the exception of extenuating circumstances (perhaps such as those of the player character).
The color strip is used to indicate the division of the officer, and isn't tied to whether or not the officer is in a command role. For example, you could have a Captain who has a blue strip indicating the science division, but the white shoulders indicating the command role. Neither is mutually exclusive to each other, at least in my opinion.
P.S. I also think that the science blue should be from the blue blue, not the green blue (which was normally used for medical), so medical can have a distinct color separate from science. For my officers, I take the color for science provided by the dev team, then select the color one color below for science. This uses the same number but a different letter, giving the same shade for both science and medical strip colors.
No uniforms past TWOK have used skirts (excluding the early TNG Skants).
With the exception of Todman all Admiralty in the shows has been part of the command division.
I belive it's the commander of a starship or starbase.
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That said, I plan on using modified versions of what was posted on a couple of my crews. Going to update my fleets uniform to the Oddy version.. Except for mine, mine is staying the Wrath of Khan uniform, still the best Federation uniform ever.
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If I an Admiral is commanding a star ship should he/she use the Flag officer or Captain Unifrom?
It's strange that in STO you can be a 3rd grade Admiral and still be flying a single ship (well maybe 2 or 3 in the cases of the Oddy or the Promethius), when you should really be flying a fleet/flotilla of several of your "spare" shps, commanded by the crew you've promoted out of your bridge. Now that would be fun.
I'd say it's your choice based on rank/taste. Of course, there is no way an Admiral should be commanding a starship... They have captains for that, don'tchaknow...
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What I've done for the record is given my character the flag officer uniform, and my XO the captain's uniform since she is the de facto captain of the ship. It's probably not strictly right by STO standards, but it works in my head for rp.
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1. They're not very Star Trek-esk and look more like tacky sweaters than uniforms in my opinion.
2. Unless someone dresses their bridge crew in the Anteres 2 uniforms they seem out of place with th rest of the crew wearing them.
Thanks I really needed to see where they silver, white, black and badge rank accent tones needed to be applied. This PDF will help me a lot. Thanks again for putting this on the forum!
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That's both extremely useful and confirms one of the things I thought. The white shoulders for a commanding officer aren't tied to rank, but just the position.
Well, you're in luck. The ship's crew uniforms have been updated as well.
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Skirts are Sierra-2 matte h7 and h7 color. boots 7 of 9 tall, option of h7 or black. rank and combadge the default silver. (Hey Cryptic, why no captain insignia for bridge crew? it's available on the Sierra uniform...)
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There are no Odyssey skirts but the Academy skirt matches the style and is probably the closest thing you'll get for now. I'd suggest going with I1 for all but the thin stripe which should be their career color.
That depends on if you are hard core canon or not. According to the canon Starfleet regulations concerning uniforms when an officer, regardless of career orientation, becomes the captain of a vessel or is promoted to admiral/flag officer they become part of the command oriented career branch and so are required to wear red just like security officers are suppose to wear gold. Of course in STO none of this is the case. Security officers wear red while captains and flag officers may wear any color they wish.
It means captain in rank as well as position. The commander of a starship is referred to as captain but is not required to hold the actual rank nor wear the uniform. It is very much like the modern navy in all such respects. One should note that this also means that a flag officer may wear the uniform of a captain and indeed captain a vessel but must display their proper rank and unlike officers of lower rank they are the only ones who are not referred to as captain while in command of a ship but by an appropriate title associated with their actual rank instead. In other words an admiral can wear a captain's uniform with their admiral's rank visible, a captain may wear a commander's uniform with their captain's pips visible, and so on but a commander cannot wear a captain's uniform nor can a captain wear an admiral's uniform under any circumstances as it would be impersonating an officer of a higher rank than themselves. Even the canon material is a little sketchy on this subject but perhaps the best and most reliable source would be Star Trek the Motion Picture to Star Trek VI as more focus was placed on Kirk's rank in these movies. Being an admiral he could only command a ship during specific exceptions where his experience was needed. When he was demoted to captain again he qualified for assignment as commander of a vessel but it was clearly not a requirement as Spock was also a captain but did not command a ship of his own. You can notice too that even while in command of a ship Kirk was still referred to as admiral not as captain. Given this I would imagine that Starfleet is just like the modern navy in this respect and so would no doubt distinguish captains in command of a vessel with those who are not and likely by means of different uniforms.
As an ensign Nog could have taken command from the cadets regardless of any previous orders unless he could have been proven unfit for command or duty since he was the ranking officer. Regulations preventing the takeover of a vessel by any superior officer DO NOT apply to cadets since they have no rank regardless of what anyone or anything might suggest and so even an enlisted officer would be able to take command from a cadet unless a superior officer was present to order that said cadet remain in command. Even then said superior officer would be in violation of the chain of command and likely face charges and court marshal for it while any cadet/s attempting to disobey the commands of their immediate superior would be placed in the brig and charged with insubordination. Besides cadets should not have been onboard to begin with unless they were graduates of Starfleet Academy which would make them enlisted and still make Nog their immediate superior.
Those particular flag officers wear the career colors of the departments they head. Any other flag officer would still wear red as they are part of the command career branch. Think of them like special admirals much like the Admiral of Starfleet being the head of Starfleet itself. As such he or she wears red to signify command orientation. The Chief Medical Officer of Starfleet would also be an admiral but wear the colors associated with the medical career branch. The same is true of any such department head. Their uniform would simply be a variant on the standard flag officer's uniform so it includes the colors appropriate to the career branch they head. If they do not head a career branch they wear the standard admiral's uniform with its red command designation. This applies to canon but not STO as it was stated some time ago that captains and flag officers as well as anyone under their command may wear whatever said commanding officer wishes.
Personally, since I'm a huge fan of TWOK era but also like the newer styles, I'm going to use the uniform designated as officer's dress uniform but recolored to match the service uniform for flag officer for my captain/admiral. To me that is what the standard officer uniforms should have been set to since they more clearly and more accurately depict Starfleet's attempts to reach back into its roots being based on the TWOK uniforms to begin with.