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A somewhat silly What If. Legacy of Qo'nos
rosetyler51
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Legacy of Qo'nos. That is X2's title. The goal of it is push the KDF to an equal ground with Starfleet. New ships, outfits, bug fixes, even a Fek'Ihr flavored FE, queued missions, and rep path.
But Cryptic being well, cryptic gives KDF players a choice.
In order for LoQ to launch a price must be payed. Not in money but in gifts.
KDF players must choose one thing they have now to get rid of in order to get everything else they want.
My pick? The ease of farming. The KDF faction has more Ferengi RPers then Starfleet and I don't think that is a good thing. If can get a true Klingon sci ship or even an raptor carrier I would happily get dil/ec at the same speed of Starfleet.
But Cryptic being well, cryptic gives KDF players a choice.
In order for LoQ to launch a price must be payed. Not in money but in gifts.
KDF players must choose one thing they have now to get rid of in order to get everything else they want.
My pick? The ease of farming. The KDF faction has more Ferengi RPers then Starfleet and I don't think that is a good thing. If can get a true Klingon sci ship or even an raptor carrier I would happily get dil/ec at the same speed of Starfleet.
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Oh boy, thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today.
kdf is on equal ground with starfleet just not the player numbers. kdf ship line is substantial, kdf have lots of outfits including the new one that recently come out, every game has its bugs, we already got a fek storyline, got these and these.
why are you asking for something that isnt needed?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The KDF has 3 or 4 uniforms to choose from at the start of character creation, none of them from canon Star Trek. The Federation by comparison has a hell of a lot with several variants for each uniform type (sierra 1-5 ect) with plenty of C store options as well. There is not a single uniform in the C store for the KDF by comparison.
The Odyssey/Bortas uniform changes are still on tribble so that does not even come into it, the default uniform is also not new.
There is also a rather large disparity in the number of ships available to the KDF compared to Starfleet, there is not a single C store Raptor for example meanwhile blue side has multiple Escorts available to them in the store.
Its not even debatable, the clear evidence is in the game so you are either trolling or don't play the KDF.
sure the kdf can do with more clothes stuff but i didnt state they did or didnt have more or less i simply stated that they had choices, leading to the oddy/bort uni which is just a formality as its already on its way.
kdf have frigates, cruisers, escorts, warships, battleships and a dreadnaught. starfleet has frigates, cruisers, escorts, science ships, battleships and a dreadnaught. perhaps you forgot how barren the kdf was a few years ago compared to today. say what you like, but kdf is comparable to starfleet in game
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Well not your idea per say, however the assumption that Cryptic would devote a season to the KDF is lulzworhy.
I mean....it's Cryptic. And while I'd love to be proven wrong and have to bite my TRIBBLE, I just don't see it happening. Ever. Unfortunately.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
My point is there is still a lot less customization avaiable to a KDF player compared to a Federation player. The worst part is a lot of the uniforms that people want are already on NPCs like longcoats. As for the no set uniform of the KDF, there was a definite one during DS9, Worf, Martok and the crew of the Rotarran are wearing a uniform.
Agreed the NPC thing bugs me to, doesn't mean the KDF has enough uniforms or should never get additional ones. Aside from the Academy and Bortas and HG uniforms when was the last time a uniform was added to the KDF?
Yes I would actually like the option to spend money (well my free zen each month) on a C store raptor, its the only way we are going to get high end ships at this point whatever faction you are and Raptors right now are hurting way more for lack of choice or even updates compared to BOPs or Battlecruisers.
I am not a fan of non faction ships either regardless of the faction, doesn't mean I am going to go round saying "No we shouldn't have them because I personally don't like them" I just don't use them. There is still more Klingon ships than not overall.
Raptors are also canon and were used and appeared in ENT, you not liking that doesn't change it. I do think that they have the wrong role in STO as they were never an escort but a scout/recon ship. However the devs are not in a million years going to spend a significant part of their time redefining the ship system from the ground up, especially not for the KDF.
...are you even referring to the right game?
This is about Star Trek Online's KDF faction.
No sane person can compare Fed and KDF content and say they're "equal".
Thanks for the giggle, though.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
That is what what I thought too rofl. Atleast back when I was first starting my rant machine about the KDF content lol. Now there are a lot more voices than back then. I highly doubt they would dedicate anything much less a whole expansion to the KDF player base lol. We be the 18% like stahl used to call us lol.
Its more than a giggle to me its like laughing so hard that your insides burn themselves and then your body sucks in on itself so hard laughing that someone would expect them to do anything for the KDF. You can look at the track record as stahl used to call it too lol and then listen to the last interview with Geko where he was saying if there is any time left at all they might put negh'var in but was highly doubtful or even the comment of reskinning an atrox and slap a bumper sticker that says ferasan love boat.
Yeah it'll never be equal being that near launch KDF were beasts but now we have subpar ships in comparison with feds and romulans when it comes to raw tactical power being fed side is suppossed to be about peace and exploration and KDF explains itself but are inferior to the feds in this game lol. Do what ya gotta do to keep feds happy
The point of a multi faction MMO is to actually have multiple factions with enough content for each so they are actually factions. You don't see the likes of SWTOR ignoring one side over the other even when there is a imbalance of players towards the Imperials. You don't need a huge multi million dollar budget either like them, even Star Wars Galaxies, a game that had so many mistakes made with it got that much right.
Cryptic though can't seem to figure it out.
Or they simply refuse to want to even try.
Or they might not even be allowed to try.
Allowed has nothing to do with it, they didn't really try even in the Atari days before they went under.
I think one of STO's legacies within the MMO world will be how NOT to do a multi faction MMO, the same as Star Wars Galaxies will forever be a lesson on how not to treat the player base.
Or they don't see a point in trying.
I can't help but think that Pocket books not being able to even keep a Klingon based book series going passed four books even after book four basically retooled it and that very few Klingon based trek games as opposed to most of them being federation based means that the Klingon fanbase isn't as big as those fans like to think it is.
If they had tried and failed then fair enough but their attitude has mostly been half TRIBBLE it every now and again then carry on ignoring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UGD0fV45g :rolleyes:
Well what I meant was more that they might be more controlled by those who handle the money, than by someone like D'angelo or Geko. The true 'boss' is the accountants is all I am trying to say.
I'll admit this sounds like a tinfoil hat kind of theory. But it would seem to make sense, these 'boss accountants' would not care about anything except a profit margin. Put as little in, to get as much back out, damned what else happens, as long as the money flows.
Just a thought of course.
But I do agree, this game is a good lesson how not to make a multi-faction MMO.
"They tried and died."
Sorry, couldn't resist making a Dune quote.
You are right though, they haven't even tried. I know someone will argue that 'LoR gave a lot to the KDF faction' which is true...but what is also true, was that everything added to the KDF was pretty much just a footnote as well. The KDF side of things was never given it's own spotlight, it's own time to shine. So really, even with that, they didn't try, and thus your statement still holds true.
I can't blame Cryptic for making that assumption. Unlike, say, WOW, where the two factions were pretty equal from the get-go, STO started with a background and playerbase *heavily* biased towards one faction. Yes, they made a mistake not fleshing the Klingons out earlier and leaving them as the "PVP adversary faction", but where the KDF are now is not a bad place. It would be nice to see more T5 Raptors and BoPs but I think the narrative and options are pretty balanced, given the constraints of the IP.
Really, the Klingons' problem is that they lack the built-in popularity of Starfleet or the OP mechanics of the Romulans. Ironically, they've suffered because Cryptic actually tried to balance the factions at first; if the KDF has been as overtly powerful as the Romulans are, or they were once accused of being by people who'd never played them, they would be *much* more popular.
Seriously; if Cryptic were to extend the damage bonuses of the Klingon "Warrior" trait to space combat, I'd wager you would see an overnight pick up in the number of Klingon players.
I've never liked that line of reasoning. Don't misunderstand, it IS true, and I am not trying to deny it. Star Trek is indeed mostly about Starfleet officers on a ship (or a space station), going through the galaxy doing stuff.
But to me, that isn't a good enough reason to deny any attention to the Klingon side in this game. It is true that there isn't much Klingon stuff in Trek, and there is a huge glut of Starfleet-related stuff in turn. But IMO that is precisely WHY they should be free to stretch out a bit and do something new for the Klingon side. They aren't tied down with all the known stuff like we do for Starfleet.
For example, take the Fek'ihri arc of stories. Generally considered some of the best story missions in the game (I do at least). Something mentioned in Trek, our characters get to live through. The ideas mentioned in the show are fleshed out. We see some continuation of characters like the clone of Kah'less, etc.
Heh...a lot of people in the earlier days of the game would argue that 'Klingons are OP'. Some even still seem to think that.
The KDF also has room to expand on the lore of an entire species, the Letheans are basically a blank canvas and Cryptic could go somewhere decent with it if they had half a mind to.
I think a Klingon centric expansion is possible. First, create a background and the Klingons are woven into it. Then make interaction with this for the other two factions.
Possibilities, the Undine break through and actually do wreck the capitol. The allies of the Empire come to aid them in rebuilding and hunting down those responsible. Undine are over used? Use the Tholians, use this episode to launch an expansion of the tholian command and anti tholian missions. They are already on the doorstep of all three factions, tough to fight, and not very fleshed out.
The craven assault has J'mpok break out experimental armours and ships that had not been fully tested yet.
Results? You get either a remodeled qo'nos capitol, or a new explorable area on qo'nos or one of the Klingon outposts. Expanded materials, some for the other two factions, and a focus to the Klingons.
When it comes to the rep grind, put a project that can be done after achieving rank five in that rep. Accepted.
All it does is allow fed and fed aligned roms to land on qo'nos, and vice versa. Kdf and kdf aligned roms to go to ESD.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I mean I love TOS but the klingons there don't seem like 'real' klingons to me. They only really started getting them right from TMP onwards. IMO.
Or those of us who perfer the John M. Ford versions
If by get right you mean rip off the Romulans considerably.