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New KDF Raptor

macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
edited July 2014 in Klingon Discussion
It is time to make a new KDF raptor that is very slightly OP. Now hear me out before you complain. Cryptic is always arguing that KDF isn't popular enough to be worth supporting. What I am suggesting is that they create a KDF ship that will pull in players but is still less powerful than Roms and their ScimitarDs.


5 fore weapons
2 aft
4 Tac consoles ( 5 fleet)

Cmdr Tac
Lt Cmdr tac
Lt universal
Lt science
Ensign engineer

.9 ( 1.0 fleet)
29500 hull ( 33000 fleet)
15 turn rate

Standard cloak
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  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You do know about the Mirror Universe Somraw Raptor Retrofit. Plus the Risa 2014 Event Risian Luxury Cruiser KDF version I have it now! Trying to make it all black for my KDF Toon. Out of the box it's light red color. 4/4 - 8 weapons. Much better than the stock or mirror versions ships when I add my assortment of special payloads weapons etc.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    It is time to make a new KDF raptor that is very slightly OP. Now hear me out before you complain. Cryptic is always arguing that KDF isn't popular enough to be worth supporting. What I am suggesting is that they create a KDF ship that will pull in players but is still less powerful than Roms and their ScimitarDs.


    5 fore weapons
    2 aft
    4 Tac consoles ( 5 fleet)

    Cmdr Tac
    Lt Cmdr tac
    Lt universal
    Lt science
    Ensign engineer

    .9 ( 1.0 fleet)
    29500 hull ( 33000 fleet)
    15 turn rate

    Standard cloak

    The FPER makes every non-Warbird Escort obsolete, including this new Raptor you're suggesting. If the player wanted, he could have 2 LtCdr stations outside TAC while still retaining Cmdr TAC station.
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  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Needs more OP.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    The FPER makes every non-Warbird Escort obsolete, including this new Raptor you're suggesting. If the player wanted, he could have 2 LtCdr stations outside TAC while still retaining Cmdr TAC station.
    No Warbirds are Escorts. No playable Raptors are Escorts.

    @OP: Sounds neat. Qorgh Raptor Retrofit maybe?
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  • cepholapoidcepholapoid Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No no no, TRIBBLE a new raptor, just give the guramba the FPER treatment and I will be one very

    happy camper.
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    No Warbirds are Escorts. No playable Raptors are Escorts.

    @OP: Sounds neat. Qorgh Raptor Retrofit maybe?

    Oh I love that design. Definitely a big plus and would make me loosen my purse string.

    I know FPER is the bomb ... but I prefer 5x2 layout. I also don't want to go overboard or I can see the Feds screaming all the way to Qonos on that one. It is just an idea though.


    I think everyone can agree that raptors are dead currently and nearly completely ignored at end game.
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2014
    cepholapoid wrote: »
    No no no, TRIBBLE a new raptor, just give the guramba the FPER treatment and I will be one very

    happy camper.

    Can't we all get along. This is exactly how Cryptic wants us to be. "Federation against Klingon ... Klingon against cepholapoid ... the more we fight each other ..."
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  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Fleet guramba with 5 tac consoles and extra hull, shields! New raptor with 5 tac consoles, hangar an fused aft disruptor tail gun! Oh an this could be an updated version of the Puyjaq Raptor, please we kdf players have been very good....
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    A Quad disruptor beam bank Should come with this new Raptor.
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  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    A Quad disruptor beam bank Should come with this new Raptor.

    That'd be a weapon I'd use even if it was bad just for the visual.


    I have to add my input in on this as well; I would really like to see a new t5 c-store raptor. As to whether it's 5/2 or 4/3 weps, hangar or no hangar, or whatever...all I want a ship to use the Puyjag costume with at endgame.
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    That'd be a weapon I'd use even if it was bad just for the visual.


    I have to add my input in on this as well; I would really like to see a new t5 c-store raptor. As to whether it's 5/2 or 4/3 weps, hangar or no hangar, or whatever...all I want a ship to use the Puyjag costume with at endgame.

    +1,000,000 for the puyjag variant!
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I could get behind a t5 cstore raptor. Or a hegh'ta retrofit with bop wing mates.

    I wonder how well the mogh and the dyson destroyer/s sold? Although the latter seems to not be their best effort.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    No Warbirds are Escorts. No playable Raptors are Escorts.

    @OP: Sounds neat. Qorgh Raptor Retrofit maybe?

    Petty semantics, eh? :rolleyes:
    stofsk wrote: »
    I could get behind a t5 cstore raptor. Or a hegh'ta retrofit with bop wing mates.

    I wonder how well the mogh and the dyson destroyer/s sold? Although the latter seems to not be their best effort.

    Well enough that the Feds got the revamped Patrol Escort not long after the Avenger.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Petty semantics, eh? :rolleyes:
    What do you mean "petty"? I merely attempted to clarify something before someone misunderstood.
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  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    That'd be a weapon I'd use even if it was bad just for the visual.


    I have to add my input in on this as well; I would really like to see a new t5 c-store raptor. As to whether it's 5/2 or 4/3 weps, hangar or no hangar, or whatever...all I want a ship to use the Puyjag costume with at endgame.

    QUAD BEAM BANK

    YES

    Seriously though, this should be a new weapon subtype. First for the Klingons, with a new raptor, and then after a couple months make it available in all energy types for everyone.
  • jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Quad Beam Bank. Yes. YES! And please make it use the Dual Heavy Cannon and Dual Cannon hard points on a Bird-of-Prey. I shall use it. Even if it has some awful mod like DMGx3 CrtH.

    Make it so.

    But please, don't use those mods. Make it ACCx2 at least. Or CritDx3 Acc. Hmmhmmm.

    Oh, but PS: Make it useable on other ships. So Quad Beam Bank (Like the 180 degree torp) and a special console.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I would favor a 4/3 weapon layout rather than a 5/2 weapon layout.

    5/2 seems a little OP to me. 4/3 offers better defense and show slightly lower complaints about being OP. Perhaps just increase the shield modifier to 0.85; 0.95 for the fleet variant. That allows for 2 turrets and a torp launcher. I think an extra science console would be handy to put in a field generator (increase shield cap), or the shield emitter amplifier to increase regeneration.

    I have not flown a raptor yet, but I have a Mirror Qin Heavy Raptor that I am slowly kitting out with the random weapons I am getting while leveling the New Romulus rep system.
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Pach Raptor Retrofit (for the C-Store) ~ Puyjaq Ship Outfit (already on the C-Store)

    Hull: ~ within around 32,000 to 36,500
    Shield Mod: 0.83 to 0.93 (Fleet)
    Weapons Slots: 5 Fore, 2 Aft
    Crew: 150
    Boff's Stations: Com. Tac / Lt Com. Eng / Lt. Sci / Lt Com. Uni
    Device Slots: 2
    Consoles: 4 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci
    Turn Rate: 15
    Impulse Mod: 0.20
    Inertia Rating: 60
    Bonus Power: 15+ Weapons
    Basic Cloak


    Most of the Stats i put in is already on the Pach Raptor while the extra stats i suggest are a 4 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci console setup, a Boff's setup of that of a Patrol Escort Refit and a 5/2 weapons setup and obviously the Tier 5 Pach Raptor Retrofit would need a hull boast.

    I do not think a 5/2 Weapons setup for a T5 Rach Raptor would make it truely OP, since the Feds already have 5 Fore Weapion Escorts with the Kumari, and also the Feds haves alot of 5 Tac Console Escorts while the KDF no such setups with either a 5 Fore Weapons or 5 Tac Consoles on any BoP or Raptors, not to mention the Feds have more Tier 5 Escorts than the Entire lineup of the BoP and Raptors combined. so i would not care about Fed or Romulan complaits.

    if u want to see whats really OP look at the Romulan Boff's space traits and compare them with Feds and KDF ones.

    But far as i see it the Raptors types in general really needed a revamp, they've been neglected by Cryptic so long most ppl don't even consider Raptors as useful ships while BoP's like the Hoh'sus with the same amount of Tac Consoles console outform them in everything...
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    oakland4life wrote: »
    Pach Raptor Retrofit (for the C-Store) ~ Puyjaq Ship Outfit (already on the C-Store)

    Hull: ~ within around 32,000 to 36,500
    Shield Mod: 0.83 to 0.93 (Fleet)
    Weapons Slots: 5 Fore, 2 Aft
    Crew: 150
    Boff's Stations: Com. Tac / Lt Com. Eng / Lt. Sci / Lt Com. Uni
    Device Slots: 2
    Consoles: 4 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci
    Turn Rate: 15
    Impulse Mod: 0.20
    Inertia Rating: 60
    Bonus Power: 15+ Weapons
    Basic Cloak


    Most of the Stats i put in is already on the Pach Raptor while the extra stats i suggest are a 4 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci console setup, a Boff's setup of that of a Patrol Escort Refit and a 5/2 weapons setup and obviously the Tier 5 Pach Raptor Retrofit would need a hull boast.

    I do not think a 5/2 Weapons setup for a T5 Rach Raptor would make it truely OP, since the Feds already have 5 Fore Weapion Escorts with the Kumari, and also the Feds haves alot of 5 Tac Console Escorts while the KDF no such setups with either a 5 Fore Weapons or 5 Tac Consoles on any BoP or Raptors, not to mention the Feds have more Tier 5 Escorts than the Entire lineup of the BoP and Raptors combined. so i would not care about Fed or Romulan complaits.

    if u want to see whats really OP look at the Romulan Boff's space traits and compare them with Feds and KDF ones.

    But far as i see it the Raptors types in general really needed a revamp, they've been neglected by Cryptic so long most ppl don't even consider Raptors as useful ships while BoP's like the Hoh'sus with the same amount of Tac Consoles console outform them in everything...

    I like that set-up. I would also add a Disruptor Tail Gun much like on the Patrol Escort and it would be perfect!
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