Klingon Introductory Missions - wow... (SPOILERS)

staq16

SO, despite having majored on KDF with 3 maxed alts (vs 1 Fed and no roms) since 2011, I finally got around to playing through the new tutorial and L1-10 missions (only a year late, so sue me... ). And, wow; superbly atmospheric, like most of the KDF-only content. But "The House Always Wins" now stands out for me as one of the most memorable Trek moments, full stop.

When Worf holds the dying Alexander... and you remember this was his little boy back in TNG... a character which as the audience we've seen grow into a fully-fledged warrior of the Empire. I never thought a video game would bring a lump to my throat, let alone a Klingon one, but STO did it. Kudos to the writers for not shying away from the cost of the Klingons' ways as three families lose their eldest sons to the cycle of violence.

mirrorchaos

i have issue with that storyline with alexander's death because it should of been worf that should of died and the house of duras should of been the ones in the headlights instead of torg for the assassination ideally, but not ja'rod who assassinated worf, but someone else important to that house. and the other thing i have issue with even though it doesnt make much sense is the future alexander if alexander died and then worf wasnt far behind, who would warn worf from the past anyway? alexander went back to the past but was stuck there which then creates another situation that was not introduced, if alexander was alive still from his future self, why didnt he save his other present self and worf as an older man with some changes to his face and ridges in the council chambers or something?

i have concerns by how anonymous k'gan is too :P.

nickcastleton

mirrorchaos wrote: »

i have issue with that storyline with alexander's death because it should of been worf that should of died and the house of duras should of been the ones in the headlights instead of torg for the assassination ideally, but not ja'rod who assassinated worf, but someone else important to that house. and the other thing i have issue with even though it doesnt make much sense is the future alexander if alexander died and then worf wasnt far behind, who would warn worf from the past anyway? alexander went back to the past but was stuck there which then creates another situation that was not introduced, if alexander was alive still from his future self, why didnt he save his other present self and worf as an older man with some changes to his face and ridges in the council chambers or something?

i have concerns by how anonymous k'gan is too :P.

to be fair it is possible that the alexander who went back into the past was erased from history due to him going into the past (urgh time travel) his actions may have affected events so Worf wasn't killed by the house of duras ect ect.

davidwford

staq16 wrote: »

SO, despite having majored on KDF with 3 maxed alts (vs 1 Fed and no roms) since 2011, I finally got around to playing through the new tutorial and L1-10 missions (only a year late, so sue me... ). And, wow; superbly atmospheric, like most of the KDF-only content. But "The House Always Wins" now stands out for me as one of the most memorable Trek moments, full stop.

When Worf holds the dying Alexander... and you remember this was his little boy back in TNG... a character which as the audience we've seen grow into a fully-fledged warrior of the Empire. I never thought a video game would bring a lump to my throat, let alone a Klingon one, but STO did it. Kudos to the writers for not shying away from the cost of the Klingons' ways as three families lose their eldest sons to the cycle of violence.

I haven't played it yet, but this sounds to me like a Shakespeare tragedy. Wait, TWO members of each of the families dies in one of those plays. Nevermind.

nickcastleton wrote: »

to be fair it is possible that the alexander who went back into the past was erased from history due to him going into the past (urgh time travel) his actions may have affected events so Worf wasn't killed by the house of duras ect ect.

Or, he came back to the present (STO timeline) fitting into the current timeline and found the opportunity to change course.

shpoks

Yeah, the KDF starting missions that came with LoR are pretty awesome. I made a new Klingon char. immediately back then to go through them and I've made several others afterwards as well. The one I made right after the patch became my main because he was the first KDF char I have to go through the new 'full faction' experience.

Anyway, as I mentioned many times before - those missions are simply epic. The atmosphere is just right, the fall into lore is great, the comical moments and references are just win and the flow is great. There are also several more "new" missions implemented back then that are put in between the other "older" missions in the story arcs after the starting KDF arc.
This is one of the reasons I was so adamant against making peace between the factions and why I dislike the current state of relations - because it seems to me that we'll just get multi-faction generic content from now on, and the KDF unique missions are by far the best story missions in the game. I'll sorely miss having those, even if they come out only ocassionaly.

Also, as for the starting storyline involving Alexander - I remember Dan Stahl saying in an interview for "The Gates of Sto'vo'kor" right after LoR was launched that the team and especially he spent a lot of time dwelling on how and where to take the storyline. They seeked council and approval from CBS and it was the CBS representatives that also gave a green light for the storyline developments as they are now.

staq16

mirrorchaos wrote: »

i have issue with that storyline with alexander's death because it should of been worf that should of died and the house of duras should of been the ones in the headlights instead of torg for the assassination ideally, but not ja'rod who assassinated worf, but someone else important to that house. and the other thing i have issue with even though it doesnt make much sense is the future alexander if alexander died and then worf wasnt far behind, who would warn worf from the past anyway?

As a possible timey-wimey solution:

As the result of future-Alexander's visit to the past in TNG, Worf did not send his son away for a Klingon education. As a result, Alexander ended up serving on Martok's ship during the Dominion War and ends up being their lucky charm. Perhaps, without Alexander on board, the Rotarran would have been destroyed during the War, radically changing the course of Klingon history and resulting in "Km'tar"'s original timeline. In which, the House of Duras was far more prominent after Gowron's fall from grace.

mirrorchaos

staq16 wrote: »

As a possible timey-wimey solution:

As the result of future-Alexander's visit to the past in TNG, Worf did not send his son away for a Klingon education. As a result, Alexander ended up serving on Martok's ship during the Dominion War and ends up being their lucky charm. Perhaps, without Alexander on board, the Rotarran would have been destroyed during the War, radically changing the course of Klingon history and resulting in "Km'tar"'s original timeline. In which, the House of Duras was far more prominent after Gowron's fall from grace.

the problem with that is that the k'mtar/alexander 40 years from that event, that puts it around the sto timeline has his recorded as a diplomat and peacemaker in the empire according to the future self. now clearly was it enough to completely change the timeline or push it away but diverged on the previous point in history and worf ends up assassinated again under the same purpose? no idea. its possible worf would end up assassinated a little later when what remains of torg do a last do or die attempt.

anyway, getting a bit off topic with hypotheticals.