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admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
Not knowning where to put this i am putting this here. An idea me and a couple of fleet mates thought up is that Cryptic should make a second server and it be based in the MIRROR Universe. YOu already have a good portion of the needed ships done just some needing some touch ups. and and have it be more open and combat oriented.
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Uhhh. It's not "SNAPS FINGERS" then you're done. They have to install gaphics, features. They may already exist, but it'll take forever.

    So no.

    Also, this isn't Federation Gameplay, you're suggesting Mirror Universe Gameplay. This should be in General Discussion.
    I would love to visit this star in-game...or maybe this one!
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I don't suggrest it be snaps fingers and done but they have the frame work already their. How hard is it to copy paste the current server itself? then make changes for the theme of the universe then enter in the ships and such. I think the hardest part would be story mission.
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    There is already another server named Mirror Universe, you just never see it ;)
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    askray wrote: »
    There is already another server named Mirror Universe, you just never see it ;)

    no that's tribble:P
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    no that's tribble:P

    No I'm serious lol. There is 3 other servers besides Holodeck -

    Tribble for beta testing/season testing
    Redshirt - when season testing is out for testing of weekly updates
    Mirror Universe - Internal testing server

    MU has shown up for some people randomly on accident which is how it's semi known :P
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  • solemkofsolemkof Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Sorry, Holodeck 2 is reserved for someone called R. Barclay.
    How hard is it to [...] make changes for the theme of the universe then enter in the ships and such.
    Probably hundreds or thousands of hours. They would have to look over and change every little thing, from the flowerpots on New Romulus to the banners on Qo'nos to the entire ESD. Then they have to change all the NPCs, e.g. Cardassians walking around Mirror Qo'nos in Alliance uniforms, Epohhs hunting researchers on Mirror Mol'Rihan, giving everyone evil beards.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I don't think the OP appreciates just how much work would be required. Not just to get a second server and maintain and keep different going forward, but the sheer amount of work that would be required to amend the current episodes and locations, and dialogue to feel anything like the Mirror universe and not some awful conversation of what we have. This would not just need a few lines of dialogue here and there. This would be major reworking of basically the whole game.

    They also won't want to divide their player base with no guarantee that it would even be that popular.
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    askray wrote: »
    No I'm serious lol. There is 3 other servers besides Holodeck -

    Tribble for beta testing/season testing
    Redshirt - when season testing is out for testing of weekly updates
    Mirror Universe - Internal testing server

    MU has shown up for some people randomly on accident which is how it's semi known :P

    But one for us to play in and play as Terran Empire, KCA, and the other Romulan Republic would be nice in the future
    I don't think the OP appreciates just how much work would be required. Not just to get a second server and maintain and keep different going forward, but the sheer amount of work that would be required to amend the current episodes and locations, and dialogue to feel anything like the Mirror universe and not some awful conversation of what we have. This would not just need a few lines of dialogue here and there. This would be major reworking of basically the whole game.

    They also won't want to divide their player base with no guarantee that it would even be that popular.

    I think it will be popular IF they do it right. There's a reason why the Mirror Universe is loved by the fans.

    ANd note I used to be with a modding group the bulk of this would be modding. They already have the Galaxy, the bulk of the ships, and the mechanics in place. They just need to modify the current stuff to fit with the MU theme, touch up the MU ships and make the non playable playable. THe hard parts would be the missions and the story but it can work and note I know this would take awhile but it would be worth it unlike messing with the kits or crafting.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Too much effort required for a Mirror Universe server. Cryptic would have to create completely new missions and ESD and Starfleet Academy would have to be much darker. The effort put into creating this server would be better served in other areas like Expansion 3.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    YOu already have a good portion of the needed ships done just some needing some touch ups. and and have it be more open and combat oriented.
    Because many people do not feel that STO is too combat-heavy already? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Too much effort required for a Mirror Universe server. Cryptic would have to create completely new missions and ESD and Starfleet Academy would have to be much darker. The effort put into creating this server would be better served in other areas like Expansion 3.


    I'm not saying next patch but sometime in the future
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'm not saying next patch but sometime in the future

    How about right after the major PvP revamp that's been "coming" since around 2011? :P
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    How about right after the major PvP revamp that's been "coming" since around 2011? :P


    You know. if they didn';r mess with the kits which i never heard a complaint about or mess with the crafting system which was already dead they would have that done. Cryptic's priorities always seem off in comparison to what the players want.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    They'd have to rewrite the stories too fit the Mirror Universe OR write an entirely new story to go with it. This will not happen.

    I would hope we see the mirror universe more once the Cardassian/DS9 missions in the story are revamped.
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  • kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    error 404 the mirror is darkly
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Cryptic's priorities always seem off in comparison to what the players want.
    Compared to what players want? Which players?

    I do not PvP in games - the only time I PvP is when one of my Fleetmates needs to finish something and so I agree to die for him quickly. :)

    Just because YOU want more PvP in the game does not mean everyone does. I think Cryptic is doing exactly what "most" of the players want: fixing Crafting and adding new playable Content in EP 2.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'm not saying next patch but sometime in the future

    You don't seem to understand. To develop a Mirror Universe server would be equivalent to creating a completely new game. Cryptic would have to design new missions, new ships, new enemies, new lore, new social zones, new costumes, and new art assets. Then there is a problem with how many players will actually play on those servers. I am certain that it is far less than the amount of KDF players.

    If the devs put that much effort into another Star Trek game, then they might as well create STO 2 where they are given enough time to do it right and learn from their mistakes. The most I can see the devs doing as far as the Mirror Universe is concerned is an Expansion Pack that allows us to explore the Mirror Universe similar to how Expansion 2 is supposed to let us explore the Delta Quadrant.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    lol :D OP, Cryptic didn't want to create a full Romulan faction because they were reluctant to disperse the playerbase on their 1 server, do you seriously think they'll spread the pop over 2 servers??

    Furthermore, what you're asking is essentially remaking the entire game. They are working on Ex.2 this year and already the content we're getting in 2014 is thin because of that, making this what you're suggesting would take what....one, two years without content on the regular server?

    Yeah, I don't see this happening.
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Compared to what players want? Which players?

    I do not PvP in games - the only time I PvP is when one of my Fleetmates needs to finish something and so I agree to die for him quickly. :)

    Just because YOU want more PvP in the game does not mean everyone does. I think Cryptic is doing exactly what "most" of the players want: fixing Crafting and adding new playable Content in EP 2.

    I never said I wanted it. some players do, some want a better Galaxy. Many want known bugs to be fixed. yet they add more grinds. mess with the kits, try to revamp a dead part of the game. You see where i am going.

    well cryptic was wrong. AGAIN. a full rommulan faction would have worked. They actually hurt the rommies by tying them to fed and KDF why make a new toon if you still have the same choices. the two major mistakes STO has in factions was 1 having KDF getting started only if you had done fed through lvl 25 and not having the Rommies as full faction. for Rommie the choice should be Star Empire or Repbulic. But like the Galaxy reboot they do half measures. Do I expect Mirror server anytime soon. no but something to do in the future.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I don't think the OP appreciates just how much work would be required. Not just to get a second server and maintain and keep different going forward, but the sheer amount of work that would be required to amend the current episodes and locations, and dialogue to feel anything like the Mirror universe and not some awful conversation of what we have. This would not just need a few lines of dialogue here and there. This would be major reworking of basically the whole game.

    They also won't want to divide their player base with no guarantee that it would even be that popular.

    Swap out Federation Files with Mirror Universe files. And all Federation characters automatically wear beards. Problem solved. :P


    Seriously, yeah to pull that off means redoing STO from the ground up. They won't even come close to thinking that.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Do I expect Mirror server anytime soon. no but something to do in the future.

    Do I expect a Mirror server ever? No, I've got a grip on reality and know reworking the entire freaking game for such shenanigans ain't gonna happen anywhere except maybe...wait for it...in the actual Mirror Universe.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No, I've got a grip on reality

    Unlike OP.
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    The universe is a hologram.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    well cryptic was wrong. AGAIN. a full rommulan faction would have worked. They actually hurt the rommies by tying them to fed and KDF why make a new toon if you still have the same choices. the two major mistakes STO has in factions was 1 having KDF getting started only if you had done fed through lvl 25 and not having the Rommies as full faction. for Rommie the choice should be Star Empire or Repbulic. But like the Galaxy reboot they do half measures. Do I expect Mirror server anytime soon. no but something to do in the future.

    First, the major problem with the KDF was having it at launch. Cryptic should have launched with just the Federation side and introduced the Klingon Empire side when it was ready instead of that disaster PvP faction it was at launch.

    Second, STO doesn't have the players to support 3 factions. A lot of queues are set up so any faction can join. Cryptic would not need to do this if there was enough players in each faction. Cryptic can easily support mini-factions where it is just an initial investment of social zones and mission content with costumes and ships being added as necessary.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    sorry to much money time work going in to doing this a BIG NO TY
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,694 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    if there were to be a new server, i would like it to be one that we can log into when the other is being updated.
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    First, the major problem with the KDF was having it at launch. Cryptic should have launched with just the Federation side and introduced the Klingon Empire side when it was ready instead of that disaster PvP faction it was at launch.

    Second, STO doesn't have the players to support 3 factions. A lot of queues are set up so any faction can join. Cryptic would not need to do this if there was enough players in each faction. Cryptic can easily support mini-factions where it is just an initial investment of social zones and mission content with costumes and ships being added as necessary.

    No the problem is you should never launch a Star Trek game without the big three. Fed. KDF, and Rommie. If you do as you suggest the same problem now exists. why make a toon of the new faction when you already have a high lvl toon. THAT was the critical flaw in STo. they should have waited till all three factions were ready.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No the problem is you should never launch a Star Trek game without the big three. Fed. KDF, and Rommie. If you do as you suggest the same problem now exists. why make a toon of the new faction when you already have a high lvl toon. THAT was the critical flaw in STo. they should have waited till all three factions were ready.

    You actually think Cryptic had enough time to design the big 3 for launch? Cryptic had only 1.5 years to develop STO due to Perpetual TRIBBLE up when they had the license to Star Trek Online. They had no choice in the release date for STO due to CBS wanting it released by February 2010. Perpetual was good with concept art, but not good at implementation. Cryptic only had enough time to barely design one faction and implement a PvP faction with no real content. The KDF faction has changed immensely since they were released.

    As far as a Romulan faction goes, STO just doesn't have the population to support 3 independent factions. It is getting to the point that there is only 1 faction at level 50 since each faction should have its own type of endgame content.
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Actually perpetual didn't TRIBBLE up they had financial issues(in a certain point of view yeah that's a TRIBBLE up but it happens in other business types just as easily)

    Cryptic gave CBS the time table not the other way around...that's how they landed the deal, they came in and said we can name that tune in 2 notes and CBS was like OKAY!!! (It all boiled down to money in the end factor)

    Population?? I dunno since the population most likely has a character in each faction anyway its not that big of an issue, im sure its a higher amount of people after f2p than before f2p

    Each faction should have its own endgame content???


    ERG....really? that would be nice ive been fighting the same borg npc for 4 years now for my end game content
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    bunansa wrote: »
    Each faction should have its own endgame content???


    ERG....really? that would be nice ive been fighting the same borg npc for 4 years now for my end game content

    If each faction was truly independent, then there should be Starfleet STFs that deal with Klingons and KDF STFs that deals with Starfleet since the Federation and Klingon Empire is supposed to be at war. It is easier for Cryptic to just create content that any faction can do instead of having a STF where Starfleet rescues a planet from Klingon Invasion and a STF where KDF conquers a planet.
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    If each faction was truly independent, then there should be Starfleet STFs that deal with Klingons and KDF STFs that deals with Starfleet since the Federation and Klingon Empire is supposed to be at war. It is easier for Cryptic to just create content that any faction can do instead of having a STF where Starfleet rescues a planet from Klingon Invasion and a STF where KDF conquers a planet.

    From an endgame story pov, it makes sense for all 3 of our factions fighting the borg albeit boring after 4 years, having individual end game for each faction is a pipe dream at best and not even really needed so long as we have more than the borg to fight....I refuse to fight the silly undine after the season 9 revamp of them (lets face it if they were really that amazing from the start how come they don't just own the galaxy by now?)

    I have played other multi faction mmos....end content is the same for each faction...which really was mostly just pvp (territory control, castle destruction and so forth)

    Back on to the subject at hand....a full separate mirror universe server...highly unlikely....

    some more missions that might just give us a glimpse of a specific sector in the mirror universe....if they had the staff it could be done.
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