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EC NERFs - Right or Wrong?
azurianstar
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Remember when Deflectors, Engines, and Shields were 100k+ EC and then they were nerfed to their current, because it was too much? Funny how history is repeating itself again.
Cryptic Team, please rethink these changes. You are punishing the legitimate players and not the people that are ruining the economy - the farmers.
I'm going to be brutally honest with you - it's your fault for not controlling the farming areas like Ker'rat and the Foundry, instead you punish us who play this game legitimately, whom gets a few of these items every day. Items that we (whom are in small fleets) need to keep us from going bankrupt as we buy tons of commodities for Fleet Projects!
This isn't also good for the new crafting system as well, because they will get no return for their efforts. So this really needs rethought.
Cryptic Team, please rethink these changes. You are punishing the legitimate players and not the people that are ruining the economy - the farmers.
I'm going to be brutally honest with you - it's your fault for not controlling the farming areas like Ker'rat and the Foundry, instead you punish us who play this game legitimately, whom gets a few of these items every day. Items that we (whom are in small fleets) need to keep us from going bankrupt as we buy tons of commodities for Fleet Projects!
This isn't also good for the new crafting system as well, because they will get no return for their efforts. So this really needs rethought.
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Personally, I'm with you on this one, Azurian. I liked the system where core ship parts were 50k~ each. Scale the crafting system to that - both in craftable resource requirements, and crafting experience rewarded. I mean, they ARE major ship systems, it makes sense that there's more to them, both in creation cost and value.
I mean, I understand video games are generally based on abstractions, but it is kind of silly that that an assault rifle and a starship propulsion system would be anywhere remotely close to having the same value.
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Check the change list. Some prices were lowered, others were raised. This falls under the heading of rebalancing. It's not a stab at farming.
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Think of their value to gameplay. Engines serve a critical function but so do ground weapons. You can't really get by without either of them. Sure, in a physical abstraction there's a bit of a difference, but in a virtual one these changes make a whole lot more sense and it is that virtual environment in which we are operating.
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I dunno, I guess things may get cheaper on the exchange. Either that or a lot of items are going to rot/rust on the galactic exchange.
Good luck in thinking it's all balanced now. I can safely say the majority of everyone here disagrees it's "Balanced", especially those in small fleets who depended on that income for buying commodities.
It's not going to discourage farming in the least, it's just going to cause a wider gap between casual players and hardcore farmers.
You might want to pay a little more attention to the release notes.
Now I haven't gone through a practical calculation of average EC income before these changes and after given a certain amount of grinding but I would imagine that the impact felt will be marginal. For what you're loosing on equipment you're gaining back (at least in part) on weapons (it all depends on the relative frequency of one kind of loot versus another.)
Again, this isn't about farming (however much this may or may not impact that segment of the population.) By every appearance, an abitrary difference is just being removed simply for being just that.
Maybe but only in so far as the lower limit set by the vendor trade-in EC price is adjusted. I doubt it's going to have any major effect on demand.
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HEY THIS WON'T AFFECT PLAYERS! YOU JUST GOT TO GRIND MORE!!!!
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If the EC reduction is really just to deal with farming, it seems meaningless to me - farmers still will make more EC then anyone else. Even if it should lead in the long term to lower EC prices on the Exchange (because people don't want to wait forever until someone buys a key or ship module), the end result would still be that farmers have the advantage, so nothing really changes. Maybe it helps for the EC cap that F2P players have, put prices into more reasonable ranges.
Actual FARMING isn't going to be affected at all, since the relative worth of "farming" content and the relative worth of "non-farming" content is unchanged. ALL content is hit equally by approximately -40%, so the relative attractiveness of "farming" vs. "non-farming" doesn't change. All that happens is that the amount of EC entering the system is reduced. As pretty much all EC enters the system via vendortrashing, with only a statistically insignificant amount being awarded through rep and doffing payouts, this will mainly impact primary producers of EC.
Interestingly, this isn't actually as bad for "newbies" as it sounds. Newbies are not, in fact, primary producers of EC. Only a relatively experienced player knows the best places to rake in vendortrash. Newbies don't know this, and generate their EC primarily through sales of random junk they found on the Exchange. A newbie doesn't farm inventory loads of vendortrash, he just sells that purple thing he got in the last STF, which so happens to have randomly been [Acc]x3 and thus goes for a veritable fortune. Inflation doesn't really impact the newbie much, and if anything, may make his life easier, as the inflated value of higher-end goods allows him to easily afford staples by selling even one of these outlandishly overpriced items he happened to luck upon. The unlucky newbie, of course, is just plain broke, but that's how it currently is, too.
It is the middle-class of poor players which generates EC via vendortrash. These players have moved beyond simple reliance on luck and go for stable incomes via mass disposal of trash from mills like Loot-o-Matic. THESE players are the primary producers of EC, the ones who actually cause EC to enter the system (newbies don't, their money comes from other players), and these are the players who get hit by this.
The upper classes of poor players, as well as the ludicrously rich, don't care: Players in these classes generate through income through Exchange PvP, buying and selling items that they didn't specifically produce. These players simply won't be impacted much at all, as their incomes do not come from vendortrash and most of their trading is done with each other.
What will happen as a result? Well, the rate of inflation MAY slow slightly, but prices aren't going to suddenly go down. The amount of EC in circulation is still increasing, not decreasing, and it merely increases at a slower rate than before.
This guy gets it.
The change will not matter to the big exchange using moneybag tycoons, but hit the poor players hard.
The only benefit I can see to this change is for pwe/cryptic. People will now spend more time ingame to achieve the results and goals they did before. And the longer someone is ingame the more likely it is they will spend Real Coin. I do not object to this. After all, the electricity the servers run on isn't free. Nor are the Devs working on STO out of the goodness of their hearts. The game needs a sustainable income to continue.
In the end, people will rage about this here in the forums but they'll still be playing STO the day after they climb down from their anger. Me? I'm just playing the game. Not trying to turn into a pixelated virtual Donald Trump or Karl Marx.
Perhaps because they want to sell more keys this way?
If an item is capped below its true value, then it disappears from the Exchange as any that are foolishly posted there gets snapped up instantly by black market traders, and whoever posted it is loses money, while the black market traders profit from this. This is not an improvement. Just take Bugships. If you post a Bugship for a mere 500M right now, the max cap you can post anything for, it will VANISH. And some black market trader will resell it for profit. It will not end up in the hands of some peasant.
Or you make the cap Apply to all single transactions and set a limit of no more then the cap between any two accounts in any 3 day period. Multiple accounts can get around that, but it drastically cuts into the practicality.
it looks that way to me
If you want to do a cap you have to do it right, that means making it very hard to do any form of trading, including your hypothetical black market, that exceeds the cap. Capping one form and not another won't do bugger all and is just dumb implementation.
I mean if i was really gonna sit down and cap prices i'd just move EC to account wide and cap it at the desired value myself, far more effective than a sale price cap.
As it already stands, EC actually has no worth whatsoever. It's basically "paper money", with nothing in-game that it can be redeemed or used for. The only reason EC has any function at all is as an Exchange currency, and if you render it useless for this purpose, it will end up somewhere below where GPL is, now, as all the traders move to hard currency.
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While not literally a communist, I am against free trade.
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A good way to prevent exchange exploitation would be making all purchases made on it be "Bound to account" .
Items have an EC list price on them and they should be capped at that price i.e if it says its worth 1000 ec all you can list it at is 1000 ec or less.
And dont give me this, we need to make profit bull when most of the items you get are for free even if it costs zen as most farm dilith for zen anyway, dilith has restrictions and it works.
All that ever happens is an item in the market is identified by the traders as profitable so they buy every item they can among them and then this restricts the market, demand rises then the GREEDY players start to sell back the items at inflated prices. This does not help the game it hurts it by pricing new players (the life blood of the game) out of anything worthwhile then they come to the forums demanding change and then things like this happen.
If we need anyone to blame then its the trading players and their greed !