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Best PVP A2B Cruiser

captweaverscaptweavers Member Posts: 44 Arc User
edited June 2014 in PvP Gameplay
As the title says I'm looking at seeing what is the best Cruiser for a Tactical Captain to use in PVP utilizing A2B.

I was thinking maybe the Tactical Scimitar, Fleet Avenger or even the Jem dread Carrier??

Anythought???
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Hirogen apex battle cruiser has my vote
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    i think that is a question you already answered yourself...

    imo, the scimitar has an edge when it comes to offense.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    Hirogen apex battle cruiser has my vote

    of all the cruisers with a LTC tac, that has to be the worst one. 6 turn, 3 tac consoles, 5 eng consoles, even the risan love boat is beter


    best AtB cruiser? probably the patrol refit :o
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  • freenos85freenos85 Member Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'd choose the Tal'Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser. Easily the most flexible ship and with the help of Sensor Analysis it can even dish out a lot of pressure damage. Base stats are also nice.

    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=talpvpboat_0

    That's the built i'd go for, though it can be adapted (hehe ...), to what you may like.
  • captainwessoncaptainwesson Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »


    best AtB cruiser? probably the patrol refit :o

    LOL! But really...
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    Fleet Avenger
    Fleet Sovereign
    Galor
    Fleet Excelsior
    Marauder
    Hirogen Cruiser
    Tactical Odyssey
    Fleet Galaxy X

    They all make good A2B tac cruisers.

    Which one is better depends on the pilot.

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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    For fed its the Fleet assault cruiser or fleet avenger, for rom its the tac scimitar, for KDF its the command bortasqu or the fleet mogh. For lockbox/lobi ships monbosh is best.
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  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser performs very well under A2B.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    its really hard to beat your basic excelsior right now for AtB builds in my opinion. ET1, after that hull healing lockbox trait now heals for about 8k, and the removal of its system cooldowns, makes it a must have skill these days on tac cruisers. the excelsior can fit 2 EPt skills, ET1, and have room for RSP and DEM. ships like the avenger, regent, monbosh and galor have to go without one of those skill, unless you derp and just go 1 AtB. just a LTC tac is all a beam boat needs too.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Almost any cruiser is good to go with a2b. One suggestion. Don't be fooled into thinking you need 2 copies of a2b to be viable. I find the dual a2b boats are the easiest to kill really... they are far to predictable.

    With one copy no your skills won't all be at global... instead they will be just a few seconds shy. However you will be free to combo a2b with aux dependent skills like A2D. With just one copy your aux power will be back to max by the time you wanted to use something like A2D.

    If I was rating Single Copy A2D ships....

    Galor is the best option no doubt.

    Good free option right now... Risan Tug Boat. In fact to be honest thanks to the super powerful Wave console it may possibly be one of the best A2B ships right now.

    Also don't be talked into just running FAW. Single cannon ships are not nearly as bad as people will try to convince you of... with the new trait changes and the much less likely chance to be healing people with minor crits from the singles.
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Give yourself to the dark side and use Fleet Excelsior!

    Arguably The AtB cruiser. Great tank. LtComm tac, ideal console setup, hell fast.


    I love it.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    i haven't used singles since before season 9, might have to give a 5 single avenger another shot. the damage fall off, and the turrets dragging down total DPS are major hurdles to singles doing anything at all. 4 singles and 4 turrets have less base DPS then 8 arrays, and FAW can do 125% damage+ to 2 different targets, though diluted if there are more targets. singles seem to be the best DEM and glider dilivery method, if you don't run both your all but guaranteed to be harmless.

    2 AtB letting me use all 3 team skills every 15 seconds, and all tac skills at global will do you more good then the extra res from AtD, and with a cruiser base turn rates, and not running over 100 aux the whole time, the mobility boost will be all but unnoticeable from AtD.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    i haven't used singles since before season 9, might have to give a 5 single avenger another shot. the damage fall off, and the turrets dragging down total DPS are major hurdles to singles doing anything at all. 4 singles and 4 turrets have less base DPS then 8 arrays, and FAW can do 125% damage+ to 2 different targets, though diluted if there are more targets. singles seem to be the best DEM and glider dilivery method, if you don't run both your all but guaranteed to be harmless.

    2 AtB letting me use all 3 team skills every 15 seconds, and all tac skills at global will do you more good then the extra res from AtD, and with a cruiser base turn rates, and not running over 100 aux the whole time, the mobility boost will be all but unnoticeable from AtD.

    Ya accept that faw is a joke... lol ;) You also don't really need to have everything at global all the time... 90% of global is good enough and allows you to be more unpredictable anyway.

    Seriously though... you also have to try out the risan cruiser. I know I know... the actual ship though looks better then the art. Close the door on the upper section and it really just looks like something the Andorians built with a little stolen Vulcan tech or soemthing. (it has the rings on the bottom like a vulcan ship and the lines of an andorian)....

    This is my Single cannon Tug Boat build.

    TSS 1 - TBR 1 (With Pull doff)
    Tac Team 1 - Torp HY 2 - Rapid fire 2
    EPTS 1 - Aux to Damp 1 - Aux to Bat 2 - Eject Warp Plasma 3
    EPTE 1
    Sci Team 1 - Hazards 2

    Elachi Heavy Single - Single Cannon - Single Cannon - E Bio torp
    3 Turrets + KCB

    When my S Wave device is ready... I combo that with Pulling TBR and the Eject warp plasma. Its the Risan Tug Boat Toot Toot. The wave device is evil Dont someone who loves EWP as much as you do will be very happy tugging people into the slime... as an added bonus... you can replace the mission pod on the top of the tug... with smoke stacks. (I know your sold now.) lol :)

    PS... the Surface Tension console... Boosts the E torp The disruptors and the wave device. (its radiation dmg)
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Ya accept that faw is a joke... lol ;) You also don't really need to have everything at global all the time... 90% of global is good enough and allows you to be more unpredictable anyway.

    Seriously though... you also have to try out the risan cruiser. I know I know... the actual ship though looks better then the art. Close the door on the upper section and it really just looks like something the Andorians built with a little stolen Vulcan tech or soemthing. (it has the rings on the bottom like a vulcan ship and the lines of an andorian)....

    This is my Single cannon Tug Boat build.

    TSS 1 - TBR 1 (With Pull doff)
    Tac Team 1 - Torp HY 2 - Rapid fire 2
    EPTS 1 - Aux to Damp 1 - Aux to Bat 2 - Eject Warp Plasma 3
    EPTE 1
    Sci Team 1 - Hazards 2

    Elachi Heavy Single - Single Cannon - Single Cannon - E Bio torp
    3 Turrets + KCB

    When my S Wave device is ready... I combo that with Pulling TBR and the Eject warp plasma. Its the Risan Tug Boat Toot Toot. The wave device is evil Dont someone who loves EWP as much as you do will be very happy tugging people into the slime... as an added bonus... you can replace the mission pod on the top of the tug... with smoke stacks. (I know your sold now.) lol :)

    the LT being used for sci is just about the only interesting thing about it to me, compared to just using an excelsior with its superior console layout. stats are more impotent to me then the looks and what the ship is. i cant see a couple of singles dropping a faceing for the bio torp to do much good, and with all the pin pricking no DEM? no ET, no RSP, not even APO, i cant see this thing tanking for long, dont think i can sign off on this build :P in the age of EPtE it hard to make someone truly suffer fully from EWP, even with TBR pull. and a build like this needs EWP to pull its weight dealing damage, not just be a movement debuff.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    the LT being used for sci is just about the only interesting thing about it to me, compared to just using an excelsior with its superior console layout. stats are more impotent to me then the looks and what the ship is. i cant see a couple of singles dropping a faceing for the bio torp to do much good, and with all the pin pricking no DEM? no ET, no RSP, not even APO, i cant see this thing tanking for long, dont think i can sign off on this build :P in the age of EPtE it hard to make someone truly suffer fully from EWP, even with TBR pull. and a build like this needs EWP to pull its weight dealing damage, not just be a movement debuff.

    I just finished a around against some not bad players... 15 kills (no not TBR touches)... just under 2mil dmg (with no silly faw). DId I die sure I died 2 or 3 times... its not an uber tank I admit it. I fly it like I used to fly the vorcha when I'm in trouble I gotta jet not just click my global copy of RSP. :)

    Trust me the rage people get on for a tub boat is worth it. The first time you kill someone by TBRing / them in to warp plasma while the S wave is hitting them or 500-1000 dmg a tick and then crits for 15k on them when it ends. They can't help but scream back in and try to kill you.

    Trust me you have to try it ... yes EWP isn't that great alone... and no TBRing them into it isn't always possible... its the combo of the dual pulls + the disable (the wave drains engine power)... and the entire time a bunch of cannons working away on them. It really is more devestating then I expected it to be.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    romulan faction? i bet a ton of extra crit helps. i have yet to figure out why singles + d'deridex works so well wile on the avenger it did diddly last i checked.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    romulan faction? i bet a ton of extra crit helps. i have yet to figure out why singles + d'deridex works so well wile on the avenger it did diddly last i checked.

    I have put the cruiser on a few toons now... ya that round was my rom. The extra crits do help the wave device for sure crits more on the rom. Everything works better on a rom no dobut. I put one on a fed that has a couple Embasy doffs though.. and put my +crth spire consoles on it as well... wasn't that bad crit wise either. (3 tac consoles really isn't that bad its on par with ferengi and galor)

    If you havn't done the stupid grind for the cruiser... do it just for the dumb console so you can put it on a escort if you want. At least Cryptic made it easy to get on alts this year. I have ran almost half my alts though one flying high to grab the tug boat... may never use it but heck for 5min to do the stupid flying course why not. If nothing else at least if they do a science ship next year and its cool I can use that wave console on there.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    romulan faction? i bet a ton of extra crit helps. i have yet to figure out why singles + d'deridex works so well wile on the avenger it did diddly last i checked.

    The +25% dmg bonus out of cloak for 15+s likely helps... along with the extra crit of course.
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Almost any cruiser is good to go with a2b. One suggestion. Don't be fooled into thinking you need 2 copies of a2b to be viable. I find the dual a2b boats are the easiest to kill really... they are far to predictable.

    I like double a2b on a2b escorts and cruisers better when playing them myself, having max power on everything except aux and having all 3 teams at global is better then a2d. Besides if I have to waste 3 doff slots on techs I want to get the most out of it. Its easier for me to kill a2b/a2d ships then double a2b also, more vulnerability windows to catch them without TT or something else vital. Haven't seen it around nearly as much in kerrat recently.
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  • jjdezjjdez Member Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    captweavers wrote: »
    As the title says I'm looking at seeing what is the best Cruiser for a Tactical Captain to use in PVP utilizing A2B.

    Anythought???

    Yuck.

    /10chars
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Also don't forget you always have the option to not be a complete douche and leave the a2b and the faw off your ship. Just saying.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Monbosh for a long time, but after team powers changed then went to Fleet Excelsior.
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Also don't forget you always have the option to not be a complete douche and leave the a2b and the faw off your ship. Just saying.

    Only took you until page 3. Impressive. ;)
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  • rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    2 AtB letting me use all 3 team skills every 15 seconds, and all tac skills at global will do you more good then the extra res from AtD, and with a cruiser base turn rates, and not running over 100 aux the whole time, the mobility boost will be all but unnoticeable from AtD.

    Simply not true, my drunk friend. On my FAHCR, with a "resting" aux level of 63, I get a boost of roughly 8 points to my turn rate and 10 points to my flight speed. Cycled against A2B, which gives me a 6 point boost to my flight speed (but only 1-2 points to turn), and I'm cruising along nicely. Throw in the leech after I start firing and things really start to boogie.

    Hybrid A2B/A2D is still the way to go for a Tac cruiser concerned about mobility and hull-tanking/resists...

    RCK
  • torachtorach Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    captweavers wrote: »
    As the title says I'm looking at seeing what is the best Cruiser for a Tactical Captain to use in PVP utilizing A2B.

    I was thinking maybe the Tactical Scimitar, Fleet Avenger or even the Jem dread Carrier??

    Anythought???

    I'm surpriced that noone has mentioned the Nicor on this thread..

    I have experimented with alot of ships with a a2b/a2d builds with beams, and the Nicor is without a doubt the ship that has impressed me the most.

    It's tanky, and you are able to dish out a pressure damage that can overcome the defence of most oponents.


    I often fly into a fedball of 4-6 players and get to kill a couple if not all by myself with the Nicor build i have atm.


    Just ask rc01, or ricardo, they have both witnessed this.
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  • jjdezjjdez Member Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Also don't forget you always have the option to not be a complete douche and leave the a2b and the faw off your ship. Just saying.

    Glad I'm not alone in this...
  • torachtorach Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jjdez wrote: »
    Glad I'm not alone in this...

    PS. the build on my Nicor only has one copy of a2b. But i dont have DEM nor FAW.
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  • jjdezjjdez Member Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    torach wrote: »
    PS. the build on my Nicor only has one copy of a2b. But i dont have DEM nor FAW.

    Um, good for you?
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