Dev 2 - Seriously? Let's ask our fearless leader what to do.
Fearless Leader - Hmmmm. Not everyone is doing it. I suppose we could instigate a fix just to fix the problem so the people that are playing and enjoying the game legitimately won't be affected.
Dev 1 - Seriously?
Fearless Leader - Of course not!! Instigate a 20 hour cooldown so EVERYONE suffers. It is, after all, the Cryptic way. Why give butt-hurt to some when WE CAN GIVE BUTT-HURT TO ALL!!!
Eh, on that first one, Cryptic doesn't care. You had to grind out that dil somehow, and in turn, someone had to buy that Zen at some point, so they still made money off of the purchase, and the person who grinded the dil out spent a lot of time playing the game to want to buy whatever item it is that they bought.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Make some folks like this from cryptic they put 20 hours in pvp and is not well Iput I do not much dilithium day will be the new fleets lau made this year will be waived.
Make some folks like this from cryptic they put 20 hours in pvp and is not well Iput I do not much dilithium day will be the new fleets lau made this year will be waived.
As I understand he did not speak another language and the english or will make folks can not understand that you do not agree to you will join the fleet this year I was new and did other fleets because of the cryptic dilithiumul go hard with the I helped fleet fleet and go hard to do daily dilithium you do not understand.
I think he is trying to say... he has a small fleet and instead of playing the game like everyone else , there 2-3 friend fleet want to be able to cycle 50 toons each through 9v1 slaughter fests they get into with other people that are equally slimy from channels like Dilgram. Its the only way he feels they can complete 200k D requirement projects ect.
Seeing as we are pvpers over here they figure we will support them.
I am glad there is now a 20 hour cool down. It doesn't effect me at ALL. If I feel like PvPing all night I will I could care less if they throw me 1k in D every 2 hours. I don't mind running though a few pure pwn STF runs with my frineds a few times a week to make up the difference. If it means people like the scum from dilgram have to go and play the game somewhere to progress there 2 man fleets.... good.
I think he is trying to say... he has a small fleet and instead of playing the game like everyone else , there 2-3 friend fleet want to be able to cycle 50 toons each through 9v1 slaughter fests they get into with other people that are equally slimy from channels like Dilgram. Its the only way he feels they can complete 200k D requirement projects ect.
Seeing as we are pvpers over here they figure we will support them.
I am glad there is now a 20 hour cool down. It doesn't effect me at ALL. If I feel like PvPing all night I will I could care less if they throw me 1k in D every 2 hours. I don't mind running though a few pure pwn STF runs with my frineds a few times a week to make up the difference. If it means people like the scum from dilgram have to go and play the game somewhere to progress there 2 man fleets.... good.
of course it doesnt affect you and other pve heroes.I don't play pve so it affects me.That exploit is still not fixed ...you can still afk every 20 hours (great job cryptic logic ).
of course it doesnt affect you and other pve heroes.I don't play pve so it affects me.That exploit is still not fixed ...you can still afk every 20 hours (great job cryptic logic ).
It is 90% fixed or the roll the toons 9v1 exploiters wouldn't be so upset. If running a couple stfs a day makes me a pve hero so be it. lol
A couple a day? One toon? Or multiple toons? Not a couple a day on each toon with multiple toons...but a couple a day spread across multiple toons?
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I don't worry about hitting 8k every day on every toon... if I decide I really must have some new ship or something ya I'll make sure it hit 8k on 10-15 toons for a weekend or something haha.
Honestly I don't get how anyone has trouble with D in this game. I go and tag dinos for 20min on a toon and I can refine D for almost a week on that toon with out playing it anymore.
I also roll rich D tickets. I cycle my EC through the lockbox system and end up with tickets on the toons I barely play. SO every few days I log through my 5 or 6 low use toons and spend 15min donig 2 days worth or ticket missions for 10k D each. I also click though what ever doff missions are there for those toons... ends up being 12-15k in D every couple days for litterly 3 min logged into those toons.
I can see how completing 15 Private PvP matches in 5 min is a great way to AFK your way to 8k a day though... great exploit. We should all be very sad that it got plugged I guess.
If they had just removed the private reward these guys would still be hoping mad... only we would be more likely to see them in actual PvP games... if I have to run a couple silly PvE missions every day to ensure I don't have to deal with them in real pvp matches... I guess thats the price to pay.
I don't worry about hitting 8k every day on every toon... if I decide I really must have some new ship or something ya I'll make sure it hit 8k on 10-15 toons for a weekend or something haha.
That was about Marks...not Dilithium. No Dil from the Elachi Alert. Just 48 Marks for a few minutes play every 30 minutes.
I rarely get anywhere near 8k a day on toons.
But I had seven rerolls I did for this year and I finally got around to trying to gear them...Marks Hell.
Honestly I don't get how anyone has trouble with D in this game. I go and tag dinos for 20min on a toon and I can refine D for almost a week on that toon with out playing it anymore.
I spend 20min in the Voth GBZ and I'm ready to uninstall the game for the complete waste of time it is - but nobody runs Breach and there's no reason to run Storming...I sometimes laugh, remembering it could be worse - could be Defera or Nukara.
I also roll rich D tickets. I cycle my EC through the lockbox system and end up with tickets on the toons I barely play. SO every few days I log through my 5 or 6 low use toons and spend 15min donig 2 days worth or ticket missions for 10k D each. I also click though what ever doff missions are there for those toons... ends up being 12-15k in D every couple days for litterly 3 min logged into those toons.
I have no surplus EC. Think one toon's at 3m while the rest are sub 1m. Nothing I do produces much in the way of EC.
I can see how completing 15 Private PvP matches in 5 min is a great way to AFK your way to 8k a day though... great exploit. We should all be very sad that it got plugged I guess.
Nah, TRIBBLE 'em. Don't care what the circumstances are...one doesn't exploit TRIBBLE.
If they had just removed the private reward these guys would still be hoping mad... only we would be more likely to see them in actual PvP games... if I have to run a couple silly PvE missions every day to ensure I don't have to deal with them in real pvp matches... I guess thats the price to pay.
There were enough of them that have shown up in the queues over the years - yeah, having them there full time would kill PvP.
It is 90% fixed or the roll the toons 9v1 exploiters wouldn't be so upset. If running a couple stfs a day makes me a pve hero so be it. lol
Since i need few hours (thats how long it takes for 3 matches to start) to get 1440 dili per day on 1 toon and you think 1440 daily is enough because you can grind pve all day.... then yes you are a pve hero :rolleyes:
btw I dont know why but Im pretty sure you also like the cave on Risa and sand castles
Since i need few hours (thats how long it takes for 3 matches to start) to get 1440 dili per day on 1 toon and you think 1440 daily is enough because you can grind pve all day.... then yes you are a pve hero :rolleyes:
btw I dont know why but Im pretty sure you also like the cave on Risa and sand castles
You get that 30min of pve tops a day is all it takes to make your D right.
Frankly if you all you are doing is PvP you are PvEing already to get your gear. After that what did you need the D for... if all you do is PvP ?
Yes I admit it I can handle 30 min of PvE a day... if it means I don't have to deal with idiot Afk artists in PvP for the rest of my day.
it would have been in good taste to make the fleet mark pvp missions solid and occurring every 20 hours too. they are still random and half the time none show up at all.
You get that 30min of pve tops a day is all it takes to make your D right.
Frankly if you all you are doing is PvP you are PvEing already to get your gear. After that what did you need the D for... if all you do is PvP ?
Yes I admit it I can handle 30 min of PvE a day... if it means I don't have to deal with idiot Afk artists in PvP for the rest of my day.
I dont do pve.Sometimes people in opvp get teams for pve and invite me ...thats very rare when I do pve ...as my t3 rep shows.Now I only get 1440 dili per day since i only play 1 toon now .Even if i buy dili with real money the amount of dili needed makes this game way to expensive for what it is or what i play from it.
I think he is trying to say... he has a small fleet and instead of playing the game like everyone else , there 2-3 friend fleet want to be able to cycle 50 toons each through 9v1 slaughter fests they get into with other people that are equally slimy from channels like Dilgram. Its the only way he feels they can complete 200k D requirement projects ect.
Seeing as we are pvpers over here they figure we will support them.
I am glad there is now a 20 hour cool down. It doesn't effect me at ALL. If I feel like PvPing all night I will I could care less if they throw me 1k in D every 2 hours. I don't mind running though a few pure pwn STF runs with my frineds a few times a week to make up the difference. If it means people like the scum from dilgram have to go and play the game somewhere to progress there 2 man fleets.... good.
Gridding dil like that on 50 toons mmm is that possible? There are people who have 50 toons?:P
Gridding dil like that on 50 toons mmm is that possible? There are people who have 50 toons?:P
It was possible... people don't seem to get why Cryptic added the 20hr. There was people that yes would do speed privates. 1 v 9 ground one guy goes and aoe splashes the spawn... total match time 30s... which means every 2min or so 10 people had 1440 D each. They would repeat that 5-6 times... so 10 min 8k D... they would then swap to an alt and repeat. Yes there was people that really where Solo completing 250k Star base projects. They are the ones that are most upset.
50... ok a slight exaggeration. Only slightly though, no doubt there was people earning 160k+ D a day doing this with 20 toons... I have no doubt there was a few farmers that where doing much more. (really gold farmers here folks... how do you think they end up with 100s of millions of ec to sell... you don't see them wasting time in PvE zones or Kerrat anymore... and there still around so do the math.)
Frankly if you all you are doing is PvP you are PvEing already to get your gear. After that what did you need the D for... if all you do is PvP ?
You know , since it's the second time you've asked ... -- in a 'tone' that sounds like stating the obvious ... -- well it made me want to share something :
Once upon a time , a seemingly long tome ago , a STO podcaster asked this question following the removal of the Dill awards from STF's with the arrival of S.7 :
This podcaster asked (and I'm paraphrasing) :
if all you do is STF all day , why do you need Dilithium anyway ?
This was the same podcaster who used to write the fawning STO "articles" on Massively .
And that was pretty much the last episode of that podcast that I listened to (and I LOVE podcasts) .
Now , I don't expect you to learn anything from this post anymore then I'd expect the said podcaster .
However , I will tell you that that statement (like yours) -- and anything that comes down in that vein -- shows a disconnect with the reality of the player in STO that is not even funny .
In fact , it's very far from being funny .
... and that is the only polite way I could phrase it ...
... and that is the only polite way I could phrase it ...
Its a legit question.
Last I checked you can't buy golden ammo or anything like that in sto. D does nothing for you if you have all your gear. So the person I was responding to was claiming he was PvE allergic (which is fair not many pvp players will claim to love being forced to do lots of PvE).
It really does perplex me... what does he need the D for. To unlock PvP for the month ? (no thats another game)... to Pay for his Sub for the month ? (no thats another game)
My point is quit valid... he obviously wants to keep gearing more toons... or adding more gear to his main... what ever how ever he chalks it up it sounds to me like hes doing plenty of PvE.
His argument to me sounds like the type of logic people use to be ok with a preacher paying themselves oddles of cash. They don't really need it but they'll take it... cause you know they have no use for it. Never mind the multiple homes with big screens in them... they have no need for that stuff. lol I call him on it cause hes full of it.
Last I checked you can't buy golden ammo or anything like that in sto. D does nothing for you if you have all your gear. So the person I was responding to was claiming he was PvE allergic (which is fair not many pvp players will claim to love being forced to do lots of PvE).
It really does perplex me... what does he need the D for. To unlock PvP for the month ? (no thats another game)... to Pay for his Sub for the month ? (no thats another game)
My point is quit valid... he obviously wants to keep gearing more toons... or adding more gear to his main... what ever how ever he chalks it up it sounds to me like hes doing plenty of PvE.
His argument to me sounds like the type of logic people use to be ok with a preacher paying themselves oddles of cash. They don't really need it but they'll take it... cause you know they have no use for it. Never mind the multiple homes with big screens in them... they have no need for that stuff. lol I call him on it cause hes full of it.
Your points would be valid if you couldn't change dili into any other currency in the game. If it couldn't be shared and traded, then yeah, you wouldn't need that much for a single character. Considering though that you can buy everything in the game with it, but can't easily (like one button press easy) convert anything into dili, the importance of that currency should be pretty obvious.
There are people out there with 50 alts who just farm dili through various means. They can can convert it to zen or spend it, either in their fleet for easy fleet marks or on some equipment. Once converted to zen, you can buy stuff on the zen-store and since there are tradable items on the store itself, those can be sold for ec, with which you can buy every non zen-store related item in the game (and of course some related ones too).
So to conclude, dili can be changes into nearly everything with a marginal loss ratio (if a loss even exists).
So to conclude, dili can be changes into nearly everything with a marginal loss ratio (if a loss even exists).
Sure I could see that argument. Still change it into EC to do what with ? This person claims to do nothing but PvP... and really never run STFs unless someone pulls his teeth. He isn't picking up rep gear like that... the only thing to buy with EC is traits I guess I could see the argument for that, and lockbox weapons. (Still you get those once and your done, unless you have 20 alts ?) Still feels really thin to me. I have the strong suspicion that he claims to do nothing but PvP ... in reality he does just as much PvE as any of the rest of us for Rep gear Fleet marks fleet ships and all the rest.
I really don't get why PvPers are upset by the 20hr change. None of us where doing nothing but PvP... and the pay out was TERRIBLE (if anything now we should be pushing for mark boxes or something) Even when I have gotten into a super pvp mood and did nothing but PvP all after noon, I often still didn't complete 6 rounds of 3 (good matches go to long and que pops can take forever even when the que is full). So I would have had to top up with PvE anyway if I cared. Which if I am playing to just PvP I really don't.
I like that farmers can't abuse the PvP system...and I like that there is zero incentive for them ever to enter a PvP match. Some will say why do I care what other players will do... but you know what I do care. I come by my D honestly if I have 8k its cause i put some time in playing stupid PvE... I don't really want a bunch of douches spamming 8k every 10min on all bagillion of there alts flooding the market with cheep D.
Sure I could see that argument. Still change it into EC to do what with ? This person claims to do nothing but PvP... and really never run STFs unless someone pulls his teeth. He isn't picking up rep gear like that... the only thing to buy with EC is traits I guess I could see the argument for that, and lockbox weapons. (Still you get those once and your done, unless you have 20 alts ?) Still feels really thin to me. I have the strong suspicion that he claims to do nothing but PvP ... in reality he does just as much PvE as any of the rest of us for Rep gear Fleet marks fleet ships and all the rest.
I really don't get why PvPers are upset by the 20hr change. None of us where doing nothing but PvP... and the pay out was TERRIBLE (if anything now we should be pushing for mark boxes or something) Even when I have gotten into a super pvp mood and did nothing but PvP all after noon, I often still didn't complete 6 rounds of 3 (good matches go to long and que pops can take forever even when the que is full). So I would have had to top up with PvE anyway if I cared. Which if I am playing to just PvP I really don't.
I like that farmers can't abuse the PvP system...and I like that there is zero incentive for them ever to enter a PvP match. Some will say why do I care what other players will do... but you know what I do care. I come by my D honestly if I have 8k its cause i put some time in playing stupid PvE... I don't really want a bunch of douches spamming 8k every 10min on all bagillion of there alts flooding the market with cheep D.
Hey, i'm not upset about the change either, but that's because i only play irregularly and with only a single character. But considering that some people really have 9 characters (maybe 12, at least one for each faction rom-combination), grinding dili in stfs isn't feasible if all you really want to do is pvp. Considering the prices for some high-end ships and weapon setups, it's not really far-fetched to want as much currency as possible in this game.
Though as DDIS already stated, they could turn the fleet mark random quasi-daily into real dailies. This would at least partially compensate the 20h cooldown and fill the queues (or warzones).
Hey, i'm not upset about the change either, but that's because i only play irregularly and with only a single character. But considering that some people really have 9 characters (maybe 12, at least one for each faction rom-combination), grinding dili in stfs isn't feasible if all you really want to do is pvp. Considering the prices for some high-end ships and weapon setups, it's not really far-fetched to want as much currency as possible in this game.
Though as DDIS already stated, they could turn the fleet mark random quasi-daily into real dailies. This would at least partially compensate the 20h cooldown and fill the queues (or warzones).
I agree I am in favor of a smarter Reward system for PvP... what about a sliding mark box. We know they can add timers cause every STF has one. What if EVERY single Qued PvP match you get into had a timer and after 5 min rewarded X number of marks... and after 10 min a bonus... and a bonus every 5 min after. Yes I know that might encourage people to bring silly tank boats with no weapons. I think the key would be to giving 20 marks at 5... an then a 5 mark bonus every 5 min or something. (some reason to not want to be there for hours lol). As long as they leave it Qued matches only... and continue to do things like the current elachi PvE mission that is quicker and rewards more... I think it could be a great alternative.
On the quick currency thing... I have 17 or 18 toons (I haven't counted in a bit). I keep a good number of them pretty current... I have lockbox or fleet ships for pretty much all of them (most have multiple "expensive" ships). I have gotten them without spending a bunch of $ or exploiting the game. If people want stuff they can get it with in the "rules".
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Dev 1 - OMG, there's a dilithium exploit in PvP!!
Dev 2 - Seriously? Let's ask our fearless leader what to do.
Fearless Leader - Hmmmm. Not everyone is doing it. I suppose we could instigate a fix just to fix the problem so the people that are playing and enjoying the game legitimately won't be affected.
Dev 1 - Seriously?
Fearless Leader - Of course not!! Instigate a 20 hour cooldown so EVERYONE suffers. It is, after all, the Cryptic way. Why give butt-hurt to some when WE CAN GIVE BUTT-HURT TO ALL!!!
Dev 1 and 2 - Hooray!!!
(Dim lights, cue curtain)
$$$ ---> Zen =
PvP Farming = -$$$ :eek: for Cryptic
Eh, on that first one, Cryptic doesn't care. You had to grind out that dil somehow, and in turn, someone had to buy that Zen at some point, so they still made money off of the purchase, and the person who grinded the dil out spent a lot of time playing the game to want to buy whatever item it is that they bought.
I'm unsure whether English is your primary language but I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here...
Seeing as we are pvpers over here they figure we will support them.
I am glad there is now a 20 hour cool down. It doesn't effect me at ALL. If I feel like PvPing all night I will I could care less if they throw me 1k in D every 2 hours. I don't mind running though a few pure pwn STF runs with my frineds a few times a week to make up the difference. If it means people like the scum from dilgram have to go and play the game somewhere to progress there 2 man fleets.... good.
I tried removing a Cryptic to email asking hours to send the PvP of please 20; but they just sent me information about adding 3 inches to my...
of course it doesnt affect you and other pve heroes.I don't play pve so it affects me.That exploit is still not fixed ...you can still afk every 20 hours (great job cryptic logic ).
It is 90% fixed or the roll the toons 9v1 exploiters wouldn't be so upset. If running a couple stfs a day makes me a pve hero so be it. lol
A couple a day? One toon? Or multiple toons? Not a couple a day on each toon with multiple toons...but a couple a day spread across multiple toons?
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I don't worry about hitting 8k every day on every toon... if I decide I really must have some new ship or something ya I'll make sure it hit 8k on 10-15 toons for a weekend or something haha.
Honestly I don't get how anyone has trouble with D in this game. I go and tag dinos for 20min on a toon and I can refine D for almost a week on that toon with out playing it anymore.
I also roll rich D tickets. I cycle my EC through the lockbox system and end up with tickets on the toons I barely play. SO every few days I log through my 5 or 6 low use toons and spend 15min donig 2 days worth or ticket missions for 10k D each. I also click though what ever doff missions are there for those toons... ends up being 12-15k in D every couple days for litterly 3 min logged into those toons.
I can see how completing 15 Private PvP matches in 5 min is a great way to AFK your way to 8k a day though... great exploit. We should all be very sad that it got plugged I guess.
If they had just removed the private reward these guys would still be hoping mad... only we would be more likely to see them in actual PvP games... if I have to run a couple silly PvE missions every day to ensure I don't have to deal with them in real pvp matches... I guess thats the price to pay.
That was about Marks...not Dilithium. No Dil from the Elachi Alert. Just 48 Marks for a few minutes play every 30 minutes.
I rarely get anywhere near 8k a day on toons.
But I had seven rerolls I did for this year and I finally got around to trying to gear them...Marks Hell.
I spend 20min in the Voth GBZ and I'm ready to uninstall the game for the complete waste of time it is - but nobody runs Breach and there's no reason to run Storming...I sometimes laugh, remembering it could be worse - could be Defera or Nukara.
I have no surplus EC. Think one toon's at 3m while the rest are sub 1m. Nothing I do produces much in the way of EC.
Nah, TRIBBLE 'em. Don't care what the circumstances are...one doesn't exploit TRIBBLE.
There were enough of them that have shown up in the queues over the years - yeah, having them there full time would kill PvP.
Since i need few hours (thats how long it takes for 3 matches to start) to get 1440 dili per day on 1 toon and you think 1440 daily is enough because you can grind pve all day.... then yes you are a pve hero :rolleyes:
btw I dont know why but Im pretty sure you also like the cave on Risa and sand castles
You get that 30min of pve tops a day is all it takes to make your D right.
Frankly if you all you are doing is PvP you are PvEing already to get your gear. After that what did you need the D for... if all you do is PvP ?
Yes I admit it I can handle 30 min of PvE a day... if it means I don't have to deal with idiot Afk artists in PvP for the rest of my day.
I dont do pve.Sometimes people in opvp get teams for pve and invite me ...thats very rare when I do pve ...as my t3 rep shows.Now I only get 1440 dili per day since i only play 1 toon now .Even if i buy dili with real money the amount of dili needed makes this game way to expensive for what it is or what i play from it.
Gridding dil like that on 50 toons mmm is that possible? There are people who have 50 toons?:P
It was possible... people don't seem to get why Cryptic added the 20hr. There was people that yes would do speed privates. 1 v 9 ground one guy goes and aoe splashes the spawn... total match time 30s... which means every 2min or so 10 people had 1440 D each. They would repeat that 5-6 times... so 10 min 8k D... they would then swap to an alt and repeat. Yes there was people that really where Solo completing 250k Star base projects. They are the ones that are most upset.
50... ok a slight exaggeration. Only slightly though, no doubt there was people earning 160k+ D a day doing this with 20 toons... I have no doubt there was a few farmers that where doing much more. (really gold farmers here folks... how do you think they end up with 100s of millions of ec to sell... you don't see them wasting time in PvE zones or Kerrat anymore... and there still around so do the math.)
You know , since it's the second time you've asked ... -- in a 'tone' that sounds like stating the obvious ... -- well it made me want to share something :
Once upon a time , a seemingly long tome ago , a STO podcaster asked this question following the removal of the Dill awards from STF's with the arrival of S.7 :
This podcaster asked (and I'm paraphrasing) :
This was the same podcaster who used to write the fawning STO "articles" on Massively .
And that was pretty much the last episode of that podcast that I listened to (and I LOVE podcasts) .
Now , I don't expect you to learn anything from this post anymore then I'd expect the said podcaster .
However , I will tell you that that statement (like yours) -- and anything that comes down in that vein -- shows a disconnect with the reality of the player in STO that is not even funny .
In fact , it's very far from being funny .
... and that is the only polite way I could phrase it ...
Its a legit question.
Last I checked you can't buy golden ammo or anything like that in sto. D does nothing for you if you have all your gear. So the person I was responding to was claiming he was PvE allergic (which is fair not many pvp players will claim to love being forced to do lots of PvE).
It really does perplex me... what does he need the D for. To unlock PvP for the month ? (no thats another game)... to Pay for his Sub for the month ? (no thats another game)
My point is quit valid... he obviously wants to keep gearing more toons... or adding more gear to his main... what ever how ever he chalks it up it sounds to me like hes doing plenty of PvE.
His argument to me sounds like the type of logic people use to be ok with a preacher paying themselves oddles of cash. They don't really need it but they'll take it... cause you know they have no use for it. Never mind the multiple homes with big screens in them... they have no need for that stuff. lol I call him on it cause hes full of it.
Your points would be valid if you couldn't change dili into any other currency in the game. If it couldn't be shared and traded, then yeah, you wouldn't need that much for a single character. Considering though that you can buy everything in the game with it, but can't easily (like one button press easy) convert anything into dili, the importance of that currency should be pretty obvious.
There are people out there with 50 alts who just farm dili through various means. They can can convert it to zen or spend it, either in their fleet for easy fleet marks or on some equipment. Once converted to zen, you can buy stuff on the zen-store and since there are tradable items on the store itself, those can be sold for ec, with which you can buy every non zen-store related item in the game (and of course some related ones too).
So to conclude, dili can be changes into nearly everything with a marginal loss ratio (if a loss even exists).
Sure I could see that argument. Still change it into EC to do what with ? This person claims to do nothing but PvP... and really never run STFs unless someone pulls his teeth. He isn't picking up rep gear like that... the only thing to buy with EC is traits I guess I could see the argument for that, and lockbox weapons. (Still you get those once and your done, unless you have 20 alts ?) Still feels really thin to me. I have the strong suspicion that he claims to do nothing but PvP ... in reality he does just as much PvE as any of the rest of us for Rep gear Fleet marks fleet ships and all the rest.
I really don't get why PvPers are upset by the 20hr change. None of us where doing nothing but PvP... and the pay out was TERRIBLE (if anything now we should be pushing for mark boxes or something) Even when I have gotten into a super pvp mood and did nothing but PvP all after noon, I often still didn't complete 6 rounds of 3 (good matches go to long and que pops can take forever even when the que is full). So I would have had to top up with PvE anyway if I cared. Which if I am playing to just PvP I really don't.
I like that farmers can't abuse the PvP system...and I like that there is zero incentive for them ever to enter a PvP match. Some will say why do I care what other players will do... but you know what I do care. I come by my D honestly if I have 8k its cause i put some time in playing stupid PvE... I don't really want a bunch of douches spamming 8k every 10min on all bagillion of there alts flooding the market with cheep D.
Hey, i'm not upset about the change either, but that's because i only play irregularly and with only a single character. But considering that some people really have 9 characters (maybe 12, at least one for each faction rom-combination), grinding dili in stfs isn't feasible if all you really want to do is pvp. Considering the prices for some high-end ships and weapon setups, it's not really far-fetched to want as much currency as possible in this game.
Though as DDIS already stated, they could turn the fleet mark random quasi-daily into real dailies. This would at least partially compensate the 20h cooldown and fill the queues (or warzones).
I agree I am in favor of a smarter Reward system for PvP... what about a sliding mark box. We know they can add timers cause every STF has one. What if EVERY single Qued PvP match you get into had a timer and after 5 min rewarded X number of marks... and after 10 min a bonus... and a bonus every 5 min after. Yes I know that might encourage people to bring silly tank boats with no weapons. I think the key would be to giving 20 marks at 5... an then a 5 mark bonus every 5 min or something. (some reason to not want to be there for hours lol). As long as they leave it Qued matches only... and continue to do things like the current elachi PvE mission that is quicker and rewards more... I think it could be a great alternative.
On the quick currency thing... I have 17 or 18 toons (I haven't counted in a bit). I keep a good number of them pretty current... I have lockbox or fleet ships for pretty much all of them (most have multiple "expensive" ships). I have gotten them without spending a bunch of $ or exploiting the game. If people want stuff they can get it with in the "rules".