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dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
Ok, the race is just the summer version of the Winter Race for tags. But... instead of just a race of skill Cryptic added in the P2W element of different speed hoverboards. This is the part I find bad.

I had favors from last year, so bought my main toon the Superior board and on my first race I won by a good 10 seconds. Looked like everyone else had the basic boards. Now, on my alt toons I bought the basic boards and can tell you it will be all but impossible to place, let alone come in 1st, against people w/ the superior boards.

People whined alot about the Winter race and that was a 'fair' race (except for the damn hoppers!). And this one suffers from the same finish line problem of having to 'grab' the flag but half the time the 2nd place guy somehow grabs it first.

Not sure who's idea it was to have Pay-to-Win hoverboards to get monkey tags, but it's a horrible idea. Do you guys actively look for ways to TRIBBLE up good things or does it just come naturally?
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  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Just to let you know, it is not P2W unless something comes out of your pocket. I grinded to get mine today, and yes the board does make a difference. Anyone can grind for the boards, it is all about what the player wants. Some it might take longer to get it but is is not P2W.
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  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I should have come in first three times and in each of those races where people with the superior boards. It does involve skill not just the board you use. The main problem is the whole button mash contest at the end of the race. When the fifth guy over the finish line is the one to pick up first place you have a problem with your game and need to fix it.
  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Just to let you know, it is not P2W unless something comes out of your pocket. I grinded to get mine today, and yes the board does make a difference. Anyone can grind for the boards, it is all about what the player wants. Some it might take longer to get it but is is not P2W.

    its still silly to include differences in speed between boards, i watched a guy beat everyone in a race despite being very bad at it(he was zig zagging all over the place), he still won, by a longshot just because of his uberboard.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The whole "grab the flag at the end to place" system is total TRIBBLE.

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  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The whole "grab the flag at the end to place" system is total TRIBBLE.
    Yep!
    My first race was with a rental board. I was fifth or six one back but 4 (I think it was) of the players ahead of me went past the flags and I grabbed 3rd place. On a rental board. I'm sure glad they did it this way, now I know that I can possibly get first even on a standard or rental board!




    Not!! It's just stupid. And a rip off, making players pay extra pretend money for for "superior" boards that may or may not help you win......lol. :P
  • conundrumnsaconundrumnsa Member Posts: 705 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The grab the flag thing ruins the races...I hated it with the burning fury of a thousand suns in the winter event...ot even doing it here.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    phoenicius wrote: »
    its still silly to include differences in speed between boards, i watched a guy beat everyone in a race despite being very bad at it(he was zig zagging all over the place), he still won, by a longshot just because of his uberboard.

    Yep, I watched one dude dismounted by a rock or something. He hoped back on and still won lol.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Get off your board right at the finish line so it is easier to grab the flag.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The Flags really ruin it. Surely they could've found another way of going about it.

    Like having players race against time limits. You complete it in X time, the next time you race it gets a bit more difficult, and on until you have to beat a reasonable elite time. Or maybe add a bit of real PvP and you get certain tricks in trying to slow an opponent like a board bump.

    Also, like the Winter PvP race, they should've given players an alternative. They knew players were not happy with it, so why did they do it with this?
  • shaitan100shaitan100 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    skill? in this game? thats funny...
  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Its fun... but some issues..

    I don't see all those jump points.. sometimes they are transparent and hence difficult to see where to jump. I have graphics at max.

    The grabbing flag is a nightmare.. but I will try removing board at finish line.. I have disqualified a few times due to that flag grabbing.

    Also once I was like first for a while.. but I flew into a rock.. LOL .. was so mad. (because of my first point)
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It literally is a P2W minigame. It takes absolute zero skill to win, just the the fastest board to buy. All the things you do to increase your speed and find the ideal route are absolutely worthless since someone else with one of the real expensive boards just speeds by without doing all that stuff.
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It literally is a P2W minigame. It takes absolute zero skill to win, just the the fastest board to buy. All the things you do to increase your speed and find the ideal route are absolutely worthless since someone else with one of the real expensive boards just speeds by without doing all that stuff.

    But later, when everyone has the best boards, those who practiced all that stuff will be the ones winning. :D
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  • ryvakenryvaken Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    So I just bought a faster board.

    I got the tokens I needed by racing. On a rental board. And placing 1st and 2nd on my last races, coming in 4th or similar all other times. I reliably beat people with quality boards.

    Faster boards make it easier, certainly, but there's a degree of skill there too.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Not sure who's idea it was to have Pay-to-Win hoverboards to get monkey tags, but it's a horrible idea. Do you guys actively look for ways to TRIBBLE up good things or does it just come naturally?

    Look at the Risian doffs. Does that answer your question?:rolleyes:
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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    In a couple days, we'll have grinded out the high end boards, and the P2W advantage will be gone. No need to panic about being at a disadvantage on day one. I'm not going to spend a dime, and I think I'll have my UFP powerboard tomorrow.
  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    And the flags really aren't that bad. Just ease to a stop into them, and hammer the activate button when you stop.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    For me the worst thing about this mission is the fact that it's only twice an hour. The Winter PvP race happens four times an hour, this one should too.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Just to let you know, it is not P2W unless something comes out of your pocket. I grinded to get mine today, and yes the board does make a difference. Anyone can grind for the boards, it is all about what the player wants. Some it might take longer to get it but is is not P2W.
    That is incorrect. P2W means people who pay real money have an advantage and beat the people who didn’t play real money. Currently it is impossible to win against someone who has paid real money almost forceing anyone who want to take part to pay to stand a chance. Hence Pay 2 win.

    P2W is about putting players in a situation where they have to pay real money to stand a chance.

    The thing is you cannot grind and win the boards via the race as you cannot win due to the P2W people.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    A lot of complaining during the Winter Event about the grab mechanic and what do they do - implement it in the Summer Event.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    azniadeet wrote: »
    In a couple days, we'll have grinded out the high end boards, and the P2W advantage will be gone. No need to panic about being at a disadvantage on day one. I'm not going to spend a dime, and I think I'll have my UFP powerboard tomorrow.

    Yeah, that doesn't put people with alts at a disadvantage at all.:rolleyes:
    azniadeet wrote: »
    And the flags really aren't that bad. Just ease to a stop into them, and hammer the activate button when you stop.

    The problem is everybody does that.

    The Risa summer event is now officially the troll fest. Moar disco balls, a doff that allows an AoE DoT to root the targets (which smart people just did with Electro-Gravitic Field before the Exothermic Induction), the flag-grabbing on a surface that is even more slippery than in the winter event and the sand-castle building with not enough spots and some that are placed so badly that if it you suddenly need sticks for your sandcastle you need a superior floater to have a chance of getting them before the castle collapses. Seems my summer event will be reduced to doing the Horga'hn hunt for eggs.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    thank you, that was i requested last year for surf racing.
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  • ryvakenryvaken Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I never did the winter race, but I'm not really seeing a problem with the flag grabbing. I have the interact key mapped to my mouse and race one handed. No problem.

    Now, there are times that the button doesn't actually APPEAR. That's a problem. But the mechanic doesn't seem inherently flawed. Am I missing something?
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Just them not providing an alternative for those who don't want to do it, but want (or need) tags.
  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yeah, that doesn't put people with alts at a disadvantage at all.:rolleyes:

    If you want to run alts, you should expect to do the legwork with all of them. I'm running 4 toons at Risa, and I have no complaints.
  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    That is incorrect. P2W means people who pay real money have an advantage and beat the people who didn’t play real money. Currently it is impossible to win against someone who has paid real money almost forceing anyone who want to take part to pay to stand a chance. Hence Pay 2 win.

    P2W is about putting players in a situation where they have to pay real money to stand a chance.

    The thing is you cannot grind and win the boards via the race as you cannot win due to the P2W people.

    Maybe you need to learn or read what I typed. I did not spend any money to get an advantage over another player. I gridded out my board. That sir is not P2W. I had earn my board and my title. Sorry that some players have not done so. But because I worked last year at this years rewards does not mean the mini game is P2W. Every player has the ability to earn bigger and faster boards without spending real life money. This is what is wrong with society toady. People believe that something should be given and not earned. I earned it through a better board that I had saved for with last years winnings. It is the same grind every other player does with out spending lobi to convert. There is no advantage besides time and the grind. Yesterday I did see a fleet mate win a race against someone with better board. He just piloted better.
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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited June 2014
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yeah, that doesn't put people with alts at a disadvantage at all.:rolleyes:

    Doesn't bother my 10. Maybe "You're doing it wrong" applies here? :rolleyes:
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'm indifferent as long as I get my 3 tags for completion.
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