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admiralbrad77admiralbrad77 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
is STO canon?
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Nope. It's just another alternate reality set in its own canon like the novels. It can't be canon unless CBS uses it in a movie or tv program.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The beauty of Star Trek is that there are multiple universes. The shows and movies are canon, the JJ verse is canon, the books are canon, this game is canon. They are all just their own unique separate canons that have little to no influence on each other.
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  • admiralbrad77admiralbrad77 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    so even though it takes place after nemesis and is in the prime timeline it is offically still NOT canon?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    so even though it takes place after nemesis and is in the prime timeline it is offically still NOT canon?

    Different folks are going to have different definitions of what is canon and is not canon.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Canon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon

    There was a link on the Star Trek site that once listed what was and wasn't...but even that kind of bowed out.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20090302095452/http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/676.html
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The official Star Trek website formerly defined canon as comprising the television series Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Animated Series, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: Enterprise, and the motion pictures in the franchise.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    so even though it takes place after nemesis and is in the prime timeline it is offically still NOT canon?

    No. It's just another take on what the future might be like. A lot of the novels do the same thing, and often contradict themselves. STO is just soft canon set in its own setting.

    CBS could decide to do a future Star Trek series and it could have nothing in common with STO.
  • admiralbrad77admiralbrad77 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ah i see thanks for the help
  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    well... some parts of it are(mainly part of the background) since it connects with JJabrams trek, but otherwise, unless CBS wish it to, no , i can see somethings being near-canon though, like the enterprise design, the vesta, the chimera, some other stuff.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    is STO canon?
    No, basically the TV shows and movies are hard canon, and while other stuff can be referential if it aint on screen it aint canon.

    STO has no place in canon anyway. Romulan republic ... lol
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    phoenicius wrote: »
    well... some parts of it are(mainly part of the background) since it connects with JJabrams trek, but otherwise, unless CBS wish it to, no , i can see somethings being near-canon though, like the enterprise design, the vesta, the chimera, some other stuff.
    If I recall correctly CBS owns the rights to the Odyssey, as they sponsored the Enterprise F competition. The Vesta is soft canon. CBS doesn't own it and they'd need a license from Mark Rademaker to use it in a tv series or movie. The Chimera is Cryptic designed and CBS would probably need a license from Cryptic to use that in a series too.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    STO has no place in canon anyway. Romulan republic ... lol
    Since CBS and Paramount destroyed the Romulan Empire the Republic has as much a chance at being possible as another Empire does.
  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I think STO is canon in JarJar-verse where exploration and diplomacy are outgunned by space cowboys , green chicks with cannons and dinos with lasers on their heads , where you can be promoted from cadet to captain and where you can destroy a borg cube with your miranda ship.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tmassx wrote: »
    I think STO is canon in JarJar-verse where exploration and diplomacy are outgunned by space cowboys , green chicks with cannons and dinos with lasers on their heads , where you can be promoted from cadet to captain and where you can destroy a borg cube with your miranda ship.
    You obviously haven't replayed the tutorial in a year or so. :)
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    Since CBS and Paramount destroyed the Romulan Empire the Republic has as much a chance at being possible as another Empire does.

    They destroyed the homeworld, not the Empire, along with Vulcan (:mad:). Best guess may be the Empire is splintered and at war with the Klingons as foreshadowed in 'All Good Things'.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    They destroyed the homeworld, not the Empire, along with Vulcan (:mad:). Best guess may be the Empire is splintered and at war with the Klingons as foreshadowed in 'All Good Things'.
    Romulus is destroyed in the prime universe. Vulcan in the JJverse.

    Since all the politicians were on Romulus there's a good bet that a new system of government would be put into place. It might even turn into a bunch of colony worlds all fighting each other for power, much like a feudal England.
  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Guys, The Romulan Empire still exist in STO , with capital on Rator and with empress Sela (actually kidnapped by Iconians). RR are the separatist living on borders of RSE. And we have no rumours about another romulan cleaved piece of space with center on Achernar - former Donatra's Romulan State (outside of galaxy STO map)
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tmassx wrote: »
    Guys, The Romulan Empire still exist in STO , with capital on Rator and with empress Sela (actually kidnapped by Iconians). RR are the separatist living on borders of RSE. And we have no rumours about another romulan cleaved piece of space with center on Achernar - former Donatra's Romulan State (outside of galaxy STO map)
    The Republic is made up of colony worlds that the Empire lost control of when Romulus was destroyed. These worlds were starving and suffering. Many of them even needed Federation aid.

    The new Empire is actually a puppet government controlled by the Iconians; and they are allied with many Iconian controlled species. Sela was captured because she stopped following Iconian and Tal Shiar rules. There is no actual Romulan Empire. There's just the Iconian Tal Shiar puppets doing what they're told.
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    Romulus is destroyed in the prime universe. Vulcan in the JJverse.

    Since all the politicians were on Romulus there's a good bet that a new system of government would be put into place. It might even turn into a bunch of colony worlds all fighting each other for power, much like a feudal England.

    True, still upset they destroyed Vulcan in JJverse though.
    stf65 wrote: »
    The Republic is made up of colony worlds that the Empire lost control of when Romulus was destroyed. These worlds were starving and suffering. Many of them even needed Federation aid.

    The new Empire is actually a puppet government controlled by the Iconians; and they are allied with many Iconian controlled species. Sela was captured because she stopped following Iconian and Tal Shiar rules. There is no actual Romulan Empire. There's just the Iconian Tal Shiar puppets doing what they're told.

    True in STO there is no Empire but that cannot be said in canon. Just because you destroy the homeworld doesn't mean the Empire would fall. UFP wouldn't fall apart if Earth were destroyed.
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    OMG!!! He opened the box!

    Everyone flee, flee for your lives and your sanity before .....oh its to late...
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    True in STO there is no Empire but that cannot be said in canon. Just because you destroy the homeworld doesn't mean the Empire would fall. UFP wouldn't fall apart if Earth were destroyed.
    The difference is that we know what type of govenment and roughly how many species and planets are part of the Federation. We have no idea how many colony worlds the Empire has. There's no canon source to that.

    Romulans aren't direct conquerors like Klingons. Romulans seem to control things through subterfuge and from behind the scenes rather then upfront like the Klingons. The Romulans tried to get control of the Klingon Empire by secretly backing Duras, not by attacking the Klingons. With the puppet masters gone many such controlled worlds could go independent very quickly.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    STO is not canon. Yet some like to pretend it is.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    The new Empire is actually a puppet government controlled by the Iconians
    ^^ perfectly executed demonstration why STO is not canon
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ^^ perfectly executed demonstration why STO is not canon
    The truth is CBS' canon often makes just as little sense as STO's. The only difference is some people worship the stupidity that came off of the Star Trek writer's pages.
  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    True in STO there is no Empire but that cannot be said in canon. Just because you destroy the homeworld doesn't mean the Empire would fall. UFP wouldn't fall apart if Earth were destroyed.

    You can destroy an empire if you destroy its core. This is the downside of centralization. And the devs know it. Therefore main target of undine invasion was Qo'nos and not the Earth.
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tmassx wrote: »
    You can destroy an empire if you destroy its core. This is the downside of centralization. And the devs know it. Therefore main target of undine invasion was Qo'nos and not the Earth.

    Yes, theoretically you can but you fellas are reading too much between the lines here. That isn't the topic at hand.
  • cavaleriuscavalerius Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Ever since its release, Cryptic has tried to recreate the image of Star Trek in their own and have dismissed the canon universe as some bygone era. I hate em for that. That's not to say I hate the game. I like certain parts of it which is why I play it once in a while.

    The fact that it has not been placed in the TV series or movies is irrelevant, and the fact that ST books are not owned by CBS is also irrelevant when deciding whether it is canon. Sure these things help, but in the end it is up to the individual to decide for themselves whether it is canon or not. Some think of JJ trek as non canon, and dismiss the idea that Romulus was destroyed. Some dismiss the Enterprise series as canon. In the end, it will ultimately be decided by the player/person.

    I am saying it is not canon. The next person to post could say it is canon. In the end IT IS UP TO YOU
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yes, theoretically you can but you fellas are reading too much between the lines here. That isn't the topic at hand.
    The topic at hand was is STO canon. That has been answered.

    The second topic is what would happen if the Romulan homeworld was destroyed. The answer is anything. We don't have enough information about the Romulans to make any informed decision. Many cultures were lost due to the destruction of their ruling branch in our history. The Empire could collapse, it could survive, it could be taken over by Iconians. Any of it is possible in canon.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    cavalerius wrote: »
    The fact that it has not been placed in the TV series or movies is irrelevant, and the fact that ST books are not owned by CBS is also irrelevant when deciding whether it is canon.
    Only an idiot would say something like that. CBS isn't going to make something canon that they don't own. They'd never be able to use it without paying royalties to someone else.

    That would be an even bigger dumb decision then Marvel legally giving Fox control of its entire mutant characters and Sony control of Spiderman for the movies. That license stupidity has cost them hundreds of millions of dollars over the last 10 years. CBS isn't going to make that mistake; even though Paramount did with Abrams. CBS was smart enough to put their foot down when Abrams started making JJverse license demands on their propery.
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    cavalerius wrote: »
    Ever since its release, Cryptic has tried to recreate the image of Star Trek in their own and have dismissed the canon universe as some bygone era. I hate em for that. That's not to say I hate the game. I like certain parts of it which is why I play it once in a while.

    The fact that it has not been placed in the TV series or movies is irrelevant, and the fact that ST books are not owned by CBS is also irrelevant when deciding whether it is canon. Sure these things help, but in the end it is up to the individual to decide for themselves whether it is canon or not. Some think of JJ trek as non canon, and dismiss the idea that Romulus was destroyed. Some dismiss the Enterprise series as canon. In the end, it will ultimately be decided by the player/person.

    I am saying it is not canon. The next person to post could say it is canon. In the end IT IS UP TO YOU

    I agree, I also think it was foolish to alienate fans by turning their back on the established lore of the IP. I also agree with your last statement, people should make up their own minds. If it's good enough, the fans will embrace it.
  • cavaleriuscavalerius Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    Only an idiot would say something like that.

    Wow. Rude.
    The sentence could have been modified to get the point across more effectively, but that's all I was trying to do, which was get the point across. I wasn't insinuating anything along those lines.
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