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holycritbatman
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Due to many "issues" with the rule setting i will be working with a few fleet mates to come up with a better more ballanced set of rules.
thanks for the feedback everyone
(edited 10:40am EST - 5/30/14)
thanks for the feedback everyone
(edited 10:40am EST - 5/30/14)
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Only green weapons with green tac consoles and equipment will make the tanks OP because there is no doff/trait restriction.
and when you count nukara t4 and undine t4 tank abilities alone, green weapons and equipment will do nothing to tanks even when snbd.
Disqualify traits and doffs as well then(but you will not be able to monitor that)
Also zen store ships allowed-their consoles are not. hmm
You could go with Zen store ships ok- AMS, Leech, Valdore and similar t3 consoles on ships are not.
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i have updated the rules
that basically goes along with n universal consoles,
also lobi ship and equipment wont be allowed, bascially what im trying to do is bring back old school pvp like before the starbase stuff started. PvP was more about skill then and not so much pay 2 win or fleet gear and rep gear.
Certain ZEN ships are of Fleet quality - they're 10 console boats where the 10% hull/shield mod has already been worked into them in some fashion. Basically - the 3pack vessels.
Odyssey Star Cruisers, Andorian Escorts, Multi-Mission Explorers, Bortasqu' Battle Cruisers, Dreadnought Warbirds, and the Advanced Dyson Science Destroyers...
Standard Projectile types as well, right? Basically excluding the Lock Box, Lobi, and Reputation Weapons, correct?
Which would also bring up the matter of Rep gear in general...while with the inclusion of the exclusion of "exotic" Projectiles along with "exotic" Energy and Universals you'd exclude the Rep weapon sets, you're still leaving the door open for the Rep space sets (as well as crafted and mission):
Aegis
Breen
Jem Mk XI (Mk XII's Lobi)
Solanae
Borg
Omega
KHG/AKHG
MACO/AMACO
Romulan
Reman
Nukara
Dyson
Counter-Command
Speaking of mission gear, would the Obelisk Core and AP Turret (it's not "exotic") be allowed? Then you could also pick up the Rare [Acc]x2 or Very Rare [Acc][CrtH] (beleive they are - can't log in to check) Arrays...etc, etc, etc.
I truly wish you the best of luck with this Tourny, I think you may need it...
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And it has fleet APs. And rare WCE to clear from debuffs as it can't otherwise.
Thought about Avenger, but it uses AtB.
Thought about more simple Excelsior, uses AtB.
Both of the above have advanced phasers.
I thought about the Mobius, wait it's Lobi and still has unallowed equipment.
Wait, I use some fleet weapons everywhere.
I thought about every possible escort but nada. Hell I can't even use the Multi Vector Assault Module!
Basically I can't use anything.
I'll be honest, this "hardcore" thing seems pretty lame to me, as it's nothing to do with such word. I'll take OPVP 10vs10 nights thanks.
And... dat join date and dat active posts, doesn't seem to be hosted by a known PvPer afaik. Only 2 months. I'll make the hazardous hypothesis that you're frustrated of how everyday PvP does/does not have the restricted equipment for yourself. I have a sixth sense for such things from personal experience.
Skipping ahead.
I have not talked to them yet, but i am sure Elysion may field 1 or even 2 teams in such a tournament. Your updated rules sound ok to me.
That there are people already complaining about the above rules perfectly reflects the current state of the Queues. It might be new to a few people, but you can survive a subnuke without pressing "backstep" or "reflective immunity matrix" or "AMS" or "black hole noob console" or any other "i-press-one-button-and-i'm-a-tank-button" in panic....and that it really is possible to shoot people down without Aux2Bat FAW or Aux2Bat at all...*schkill* and stuff like TacTeam sometimes helps. But since you excluded things like Aux2Bat there wont be many contenders anyway^^
My only suggestion might be to expand it to a 5 vs. 5 instead of 3. vs. 3. since i doubt you will get that many teams into the tournament anyway.
so its pay to win?
while trying to be NOT pay to win
until cryptic one day decides to make hosted games(challenges) with custom rules no such tournament will function.
But as me and others pointed out, there are many major problems with this tournament setup as it is now:
-Traits+purple weapons+purple consoles means : guy with ACCx3 dis pol Pha.. MKXII will pwn better
-Traits+rep space set means - proton barrage, SIF leech, new undine thing, MACO a2b, Ad. MACO placate+MEF, Borg set(we all know what sets do and how much it is used with or without rules)
- Zen ships yes, their console no means: a Dyson ship without crucial consoles, Vesta without crucial consoles, a MVAE without MV so -AE, Mogai that cannot fire its ionized beam. intrepid without armor and a kicker for "old school hardcore" : defiant without cloak and quad cannons.
So "old school hardcore" means : i will jump into my scimi, load ACCx3 disruptors+MKXII neutroniums and tac consoles, or I will go into Vesta and fill it with FBP, TBR, 5 partigens and scramble to counter said weapons, or maybe go in patrol escort with dual EWP, or etc...
You will come to conclusion that it will be the same as it is now, because rep traits, doffs and sets are allowed, only "difference" is that ppl with more EC will be better geared, oh wait.
it is like that already
My suggestion for hardcore* tourney
(* hardcore mode in FPS games for example means fewer bullets to kill=higher dmg modifier)
is to allow everything and make restriction be white shields
hardcore
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There is no problem with that to be honest. We are talking about a team setup, which makes your described Vesta nearly useless and FBP doesn't help your team. The mentioned Scimi loadout is not more of a threat as it is now....and we all know how "well" scimies perform in premade matches. Proton Barrage, Traits and some Set Powers aren't a reason to criticize the rules as well, since they are not op now, and they are not under those rules. Of course Barrage does damage, but Tetryon Cascade does 40-50k in one blow as well if the timing and the setup are perfect and we get along with it also.
For me, to sum it up, this tournament just excludes most of the stuff most of the people are complaining about in THIS Forum....rules are not perfect, but I think it might work out well.
that just doesn't seem right to me.
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They are not allowed.
You misunderstood my post a bit, entrax.
I don't fly such setup on Vesta, not even close on scimi, nor do i own new patrol escort.
I wanted to point out that it would be no different then regular matches. only real difference would be no TIF, Wells, Theta, Recluses, black holes and Bugs.
Also i don't think that barrage is OP, and i agree that dual FBP ships are weak and anti-team ships, that's why i use just one single FBP when i do use it, just for means of heavy counter-attack, and that works very,very well.
So if the only difference is no to standard lobi-lockbox premade, then rules should be that simple.
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Maybe the rule should be no 10-console ships allowed, because there are many zen ships that are equal to or better than fleet/lockbox ships.
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Yeah i misunderstood you there. In the end those rules exclude nearly every sort of spam besides Warp Plasma, they exclude nearly every "op" ship ( don't think any ship is op atm and wouldn't call the scimmi op, but people have their own opinion on lockbox ships).
So you are right, this is not much different from what we have now, BUT it will feel very different from the used playstyle. And i think timing and coordination have an even bigger and more important part in matches under such rules.
But as I said, rules have to be improved. 2 Vaper and a Oddy might be not much fun to play against. Maybe just 1 cloaker should be allowed per Team.
10 console Zen ships are not a problem i think, since you can't use their universal consoles at all. This way we will maybe get some Oddy healboats
When I think PvP I don't think ANY restrictions, of any kind tbh.
If it's in the game then go ahead and use it. All this talk of 'Old Skool' & 'Way back when' TRIBBLE is a bit of a joke, to me at least...
Someone's inability to adapt to the current state of the game.
Embrace change people, you will be happier in the long run.
D,
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This.
I was reluctant on Undine reputation for my Scimitar.
Until I decided to adapt. Switched to Disruptors, got biomolecular torpedo launcher and C-C console, equipped Protonic Arsenal. Respecced accordingly.
I'm darn happy I've done the switch. I've seen a dramatic improvement over my S8 build.
Those who can adapt to game changes will really have fun.
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