Star Trek Battles Channel - Dominion War

risingstar2009

*Incoming Message*

To: All Star Trek Battles Channel Members
From: Risingstar2009 (Channel Admin)

Subject: Recreation of Dominion War Battles

Greetings, fellow Captains and Generals.

First, I would like to welcome all the new members to the STB Channel and wish you Good Luck as you make our fights worthy of Praises (or songs, depending on your faction).

Second, I have seen the numerous posts here in the forums expressing interest in recreating some of the battles of the Dominion War. The only way I really see this happening is by creating a scheduled PvP match for around 1 month from today (May 22nd, 2014). Would like to see it happen on June 19th, 2014, Time of Day to Be Determined.

It will either be 5v5, or if possible, 10v10. And, there will be very specific rules (see below), not guidelines, put in place as well. Ships will also be limited to what was available during that time.

As it is easier to fill the Alliance side (Fed/KDF/Rom), Applications for the Jem'Hadar/Cardassian/Breen Alliance will be taken first. Also, I need to know which ship you'll be flying.

*Start Rules of Engagement*
Ships Allowed:
Federation: Light Cruiser (Miranda), Escort (Saber + Refit), Heavy Escort & HEC(Akira Variants), Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy + Refit/Retrofit), Tactical Escort (Defiant + Refit/Retrofit), Advanced Escort (Prometheus MVAE), Advanced Research Vessel (Nebula + Retrofit), Blockade Runner Escort (Steamrunner + Retrofit), Long Range Science Vessel (Intrepid + Refit/Retrofit), Advanced Heavy Carrier (Excelsior + Retrofit), Assault Cruiser (Sovereign + Refit) (Mirror Variants are acceptable)

KDF: BoP's (B'rel must decloak before firing), Vor'cha, Negh'var, possibly the D-7 K'Tinga (Mirror Variants are acceptable)

Romulan: D'deridex, Dhelan, Mogai

Jem'Hadar: JHAS, JHEC, JHDC

Cardassian: Galor Class Cruiser

Breen: Chel Grett Cruiser

Weapons
UP to Mk XII Commons Only. Must have at least 1 energy weapon and torpedo launcher Fore and Aft. No Turrets or Mines Allowed.

*No Fleet/Rep/Dilithium Store Allowed.*

Federation: Phasers, Photons, and Quantum Torpedoes
KDF: Disruptors and Photons Torpedoes
Romulan: Disruptors and Plasma Torpedoes
Jem'Hadar: Polaron or Dominion Arrays/Cannons and Quantum Torpedoes
Cardassian: Phasers and Photon Torpedoes
Breen: Polaron and Transphasic Torpedoes

Standard setup is 2 energy weapons + 2 projectile launchers forward, 1 to 2 energy weapons + 1 to 2 projectile launchers in aft.

Deflector/Impulse/Shields
Up to Mk XII Commons only (Exchange has them for an average of 40k EC if you don't get any drops).

Warp/Singularity Core
Up to Mk XII Common Only.

Devices
None

Consoles
Universal, Unique, or Fleet Consoles Not Allowed. Up to Mk XII Commons Only.

Engineering
No Neutronium Armor
1x Ablative or Tetraburnium Hull Armor
1x Monotanium Alloy
1x Other Engineering Console (No Multiples)

Science
No Restrictions other than only being allowed to use a single copy (i.e. 1x Shield Emitter Amplifier)

Tactical
1x Specific Energy Weapon
1x Specific Projectile Weapon
1x Directed Energy Distrabution Manifold or Prefire Chamber
1x Warhead Yield Chamber

Carrier Pets
Rare (Starting versions) Only

Federation: Delta Flyers, Type 8 & 10 Shuttles, Peregrine Fighters, Shield Repair Units, and Danube Runabouts (Yellowstone Excluded as it was produced after the Dominion War)

KDF: BoP Frigates, To'Duj Fighters

Jem'Hadar: Jem'Hadar Fighters, Jem'Hadar Attack Ships.

Romulan, Cardassian, and Breen had no small craft at this time


Duty Officers
None

Bridge Officer Abilities
Ensign and Lieutenant Grade Abilities Only. No AoE (Area of Affect) Abilities. Captain's Abilities are acceptable. You can run multiple copies of a single ability.

*Please avoid Aux2Bat builds. Aux2SIF/IDF is perfectly acceptable.*

Traits
Character Traits Only. No Reputation Space/Ground Traits Allowed.

Skills
No Restrictions

*End Rules of Engagement*

If you have any questions, please leave me a post here, or send me an email in-game @risingstar2009.

Thank you for your time and interest in this and other Star Trek Battles Channel Events.

Signed

Risingstar
Admin

p.s. Rules will be Set in Stone 2 weeks before scheduled fight. Until then, subject to change. Also, please state if you would like to use Teamspeak for this. And for those who can record video and post it to our Youtube Channel, please have it active for this event. I may end up copying all the vids and making an episode out of it.

*End of Message*

Rom-Fed/Federation Players
@theraven2378

Rom-KDF/KDF Players

Jem'Hadar/Cardassian/Breen Alliance
@risingstar2009: Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
@tomgonjinn23: Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier w/JH Fighters
@markhawkman: Breen Chel Grett Cruiser
@skatedeath: Breen Chel Grett Cruiser

General Availability
@groomofweird
@Trizeo
@papertoasty
@dragonsbrethren
@admiraltrappitt
@micadog5
@Kamakaze101
@dalolorn
@ethanbishop
@tyriniusss
@tomadele
@steveangelis
@damienvryce2
@starswordc
@vangreal


*Moving this to another thread so that sign-ups don't get missed. Please lists your in-game user ID and which of the sides you'll be fighting on. You can list you the ships you have available for this if you wish.*

theraven2378

Is the Nova allowable, that was in service from the early 2370s onwards

groomofweird

Its going to take a little work but I'm sure I can figure my way around those rules provided I am available at the time
Would the jem hadar xi space set be acceptable? I understand if not, I'm running the xii version now but I'm happy to run the missions again for the xi set, its on my to do list anyway. I only ask as it gives my ship that "jem'hadar" look. But if that's a lil op then I'm cool with that. (This is of course assuming I run my jem'dread rather than my breen ship). Which now I think about it makes me ask if it is permissable to run the breen set?
I also see the rule about universal consoles and I totally get that given the nature of the breen energy dissipator. (I'm just floating ideas now) would it be a good idea to allow one appropriate ability related (not passive aka borg etc) console per faction? I think it may add (providing it is well thought out) a nice addition to the. Feel of combat. The consoles of course (and if indeed possible) would only be relavent in ds9 and for that specific faction.
Of course if the answer to all of the above is "no" then I totally understand and will kit my ship out accordingly if I am available

tyriniusss

Personally I'd say "no" to the jem set. making exceptions just makes it even more complicated. You gotta draw a line somwhere. I'm glad risingstar2009 took it in his/her own hands and just drew that line to get things started.

@OP
Please put me into the "General Availability" category. I have ships on all factions, so I am up to fill any team that needs to be filled. I don't really prefer any faction, if I had to choose, the Breen would probably be my last choice, but then again, I know I'm gonna have a great time with you all - even if I'd fly a Tuffli

Rom: D'Deridex, Mirror Mogai
KDF: All listet including B'rel Retrofit and Fleet D7
Fed: Miranda, Heavy Escort Carrier, Galaxy, Sovy Retro, Prometheus, Defiant Retro, Intrepid Retro, Nebula

I am so looking forward to this! Thank you for making it happen!

risingstar2009

groomofweird wrote: »

Its going to take a little work but I'm sure I can figure my way around those rules provided I am available at the time
Would the jem hadar xi space set be acceptable? I understand if not, I'm running the xii version now but I'm happy to run the missions again for the xi set, its on my to do list anyway. I only ask as it gives my ship that "jem'hadar" look. But if that's a lil op then I'm cool with that. (This is of course assuming I run my jem'dread rather than my breen ship). Which now I think about it makes me ask if it is permissable to run the breen set?
I also see the rule about universal consoles and I totally get that given the nature of the breen energy dissipator. (I'm just floating ideas now) would it be a good idea to allow one appropriate ability related (not passive aka borg etc) console per faction? I think it may add (providing it is well thought out) a nice addition to the. Feel of combat. The consoles of course (and if indeed possible) would only be relavent in ds9 and for that specific faction.
Of course if the answer to all of the above is "no" then I totally understand and will kit my ship out accordingly if I am available

I still am thinking about some of the unique consoles, such as the Breen Energy Dissipator, as to whether or not to allow them. If they are, it will be ship specific as to which ones can have them attached.

As for the space sets, I am leaning towards just using Common/White gear after seeing what the space sets can do. And to allow 1 or two sets, I would have to allow a lot more, which would end up taking away from what this is supposed to be, a recreation of the espisode 'Sacrifice of Angels'.

And a definite No on the Rep Traits. Some toons don't have access to them, and some people have stated that they just aren't interested in getting them either. This goes for the Active Traits as well.

-risingstar2009

caemgen

Sign me up:

@tomadele

- Most of the UFP ships
- Vor'cha, Negh'var and K't'ingas
- D'deridex
- JHDC and a Galor (both on my KDF alien Jem'hadar!)

I'd just need some help gearing down.

empireofsteve

Sign me up @steveangelis. I can do any ship from any faction.

damienvryce2

I'm definitely in. Can I bring my Oberth? :P

markhawkman

I could bring a Chel Grett. Unfortunately I don't have any Cardassian or Jem'Hadar ships.

I can even have the char flying it dress up in the Khan mask.

what about making it so that players can use 1 faction/ship specific uni console?

angrytarg

markhawkman wrote: »

I could bring a Chel Grett. Unfortunately I don't have any Cardassian or Jem'Hadar ships.

I can even have the char flying it dress up in the Khan mask.

what about making it so that players can use 1 faction/ship specific uni console?

I agree, ship specific consoles shouldn't be excluded entirely. For instance, antimatter spread on Galaxy or Nebula ships should be okay, just like the multi-vector separation on a prometheus (although since the prometheus was a one-off prototype, maybe it shouldn't be there in the first place?)

Anyway, I wold love to joi in, although I cannot say wether I can partake in the action three weeks from now, especially since we're most likely in different timezones

starswordc

I suppose I can reskin my Tor'Kaht to the Vor'cha skin. My only two T5 fed ships are a star cruiser and an Avenger, and my D'deridex build is really dependent on my tac and sci ltc powers.

risingstar2009

I am still thinking about the ship-specific consoles, like the Anti-Matter Spread and the Separation Consoles. The main problem is that none of these consoles were really prevalent during the Dominion War. And, once you start allowing something, where does it stop?

The Federation, Klingons, and the Romulans were just trying to push combat capable ships out as soon as possible during the Dominion War. I doubt the Galaxy's you see on screen during 'Sacrifice of Angels' were even capable of Saucer Separation. Even the Defiant (renamed Sao Paulo) didn't have its cloaking device.

Either way, I will make a decision 2 weeks before the fights (and from the looks of it, there will be a few) take place.

@starswordc: That is the one reason for limiting BOff abilities to Lt level across the board. I think this will take nearly everyone out of their comfort zone, myself included, and bring it to a new level within STB. I know we've done the 1st & 2nd Tier ship PvE's, but going in against another, Living, player is a completely different concept. And limiting builds from the get-go is the easiest way to keep things balanced as much as possible between the sides.


To everyone else, thank you for the interest and I hope I haven't missed adding anyone to the list. As it grows, it looks more and more like the 10v10 matches will happen. The fights will be limited to a number of kills equal to the number of players on a single side (i.e., 10v10=10 kills).

Lastly, I am thinking that this will probably be spread over the course of a few days, just so that we can make sure to get everyone we can involved in this a chance to play, given the difference in Time Zones. First fight will begin on June 18th, 2014 about 12pm (basing off Colorado, USA or Mountain Standard Time/Date) and will run until Midnight June 21st, 2014.

Thank you, Captains, Generals, and Admirals.

-risingstar2009 07

adverbero

I might Be able to bring One of my older Ships to this, Been a long while since I used them

Perhaps I'll make use of that free Sabre class they gave away, Galdius I think it was, I could use the standard sabre skin

Normally I'd use my Sovereign, But I don't think I saw any taking part in the Dominion war so I'll leave it on the sidelines I think

starswordc

risingstar2009 wrote: »

I am still thinking about the ship-specific consoles, like the Anti-Matter Spread and the Separation Consoles. The main problem is that none of these consoles were really prevalent during the Dominion War. And, once you start allowing something, where does it stop?

The Federation, Klingons, and the Romulans were just trying to push combat capable ships out as soon as possible during the Dominion War. I doubt the Galaxy's you see on screen during 'Sacrifice of Angels' were even capable of Saucer Separation. Even the Defiant (renamed Sao Paulo) didn't have its cloaking device.

Either way, I will make a decision 2 weeks before the fights (and from the looks of it, there will be a few) take place.

Agreed on the Defiant's cloak -- that was never supposed to be a standard feature in the first place -- but I gotta quibble with the saucer sep thing. That's the kind of design feature that requires major components of the ship's internal structure to be built a certain way (e.g. two extra complete sections of armor plate at the join and a mounting for a dorsal phaser strip on the stardrive) and removing it would require a major redesign. That's not exactly something you do when you need line-battleship hulls now and the existing design serves the purpose. They just never saucer-separated because there wasn't any call for it.

I don't know if that really means anything for the purposes of balancing this match, though.

risingstar2009 wrote: »

@starswordc: That is the one reason for limiting BOff abilities to Lt level across the board. I think this will take nearly everyone out of their comfort zone, myself included, and bring it to a new level within STB. I know we've done the 1st & 2nd Tier ship PvE's, but going in against another, Living, player is a completely different concept. And limiting builds from the get-go is the easiest way to keep things balanced as much as possible between the sides.

I get that. I suppose I could try out my fleet D'D in this.

skatedeath

Hi count me in, I can bring a Chel Grett

I am in UK time zone UTC +1.

Did you come to a conclusion on ship specific consoles like the Dissipator ? Understand if the answer is a no.

markhawkman

I'm bringing my Chel grett.... flown by a Vorta captain. :P

tomgonjinn23

Put me under Dominion alliance for a JHDC (no attack ship pets sadly)
@tomgonjinn23

Not sure if this affects anything but I can't use teamspeak (it always crashes my comp)

theraven2378

I suppose I could reclaim the gladius and put a saber skin onto it

vangreal

Sign me up, and I'm quite flexible, Fed, KDF, or da bad guyz. I can be a floater However, if that is not needed, I would prefer fed or kdf. Stuff like this is too much fun not to participate!

(EDIT: Unfortunately it would seem that I do not infact have a Breen ship. My apologies, I will have to remain Fed or KDF unless I can find myself 200-300 million EC for a cardy or jem'hadar ship. Bollocks)

dragonsbrethren

Just for clarification, up to Mk XII commons means we're allowed to use Mk XI uncommon/X rare consoles (since they're identical stat-wise), correct?

risingstar2009

dragonsbrethren wrote: »

Just for clarification, up to Mk XII commons means we're allowed to use Mk XI uncommon/X rare consoles (since they're identical stat-wise), correct?

I was referring to strictly using Commons since no Mods (items like [Acc], [CrtH], etc., etc.) would come in to play, creating a balanced, and somewhat even fight.

As for the Sovereign, I wouldn't be against seeing it in this match up, but, like the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught, it will be limited to 1 or 2 people flying it in a single match.

However, if I can get a few people to actually do a trial run with me (other than 1v1), Uncommons and Rares may be allowed.

I will say this, my JHAS using nothing but Mk XI & XII Commons against Trizeo's Defiant loaded with the former rules I had for this (since erased), it was a close match. I think the Mods gave him the overall edge in the fight.


If anyone is interested in a trial run, I will be on Thursday @ 3pm Mountain Standard Time, USA.

Finalized rules will be placed up under this topic on the 11th of June. It will include which consoles will be allowed and on which ships.

-risingstar2009

markhawkman

risingstar2009 wrote: »

I was referring to strictly using Commons since no Mods (items like [Acc], [CrtH], etc., etc.) would come in to play, creating a balanced, and somewhat even fight.

As for the Sovereign, I wouldn't be against seeing it in this match up, but, like the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught, it will be limited to 1 or 2 people flying it in a single match.

However, if I can get a few people to actually do a trial run with me (other than 1v1), Uncommons and Rares may be allowed.

I will say this, my JHAS using nothing but Mk XI & XII Commons against Trizeo's Defiant loaded with the former rules I had for this (since erased), it was a close match. I think the Mods gave him the overall edge in the fight.


If anyone is interested in a trial run, I will be on Thursday @ 3pm Mountain Standard Time, USA.

Finalized rules will be placed up under this topic on the 11th of June. It will include which consoles will be allowed and on which ships.

-risingstar2009

he was specifically talking about things like phaser relays. A blue 10 gives about the same boost as a white 12.

admiraltrappitt

As long as the time is ok, I'm up for running the trial run.

caasicam

Count me up for this, I don't have any Dominion/Cardie/Breen ships, though I do have access to a bunch of the Fed ones. Probably going to take out my Galaxy out for a spin, though I do have the Sov, Nebby, Prometheus, Saber, and Miranda.

empireofsteve

If you want a trial run later in the evening then I can join in.

tomgonjinn23

I can participate in the trial run.

trizeo1

risingstar2009 wrote: »

I was referring to strictly using Commons since no Mods (items like [Acc], [CrtH], etc., etc.) would come in to play, creating a balanced, and somewhat even fight.

As for the Sovereign, I wouldn't be against seeing it in this match up, but, like the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught, it will be limited to 1 or 2 people flying it in a single match.

However, if I can get a few people to actually do a trial run with me (other than 1v1), Uncommons and Rares may be allowed.

I will say this, my JHAS using nothing but Mk XI & XII Commons against Trizeo's Defiant loaded with the former rules I had for this (since erased), it was a close match. I think the Mods gave him the overall edge in the fight.


If anyone is interested in a trial run, I will be on Thursday @ 3pm Mountain Standard Time, USA.

Finalized rules will be placed up under this topic on the 11th of June. It will include which consoles will be allowed and on which ships.

-risingstar2009

Captain 07

If I may suggest, can we just make the weapons/warp/shields 1 MK? so make it all MK XII or MK XI common. Someone using MK XII common will have an advantage over someone using MK X common or is it very minimal the difference?

markhawkman

it's a pretty small difference. it does make a difference, but not much.

risingstar2009

Sorry to everyone who was looking forward to today.

Real life, plus the start of the Summer Event, got in the way, but I would still like to try this at some point before the main fights happen.

I may be on for a short while this Saturday, but I can't say when I'll be online.

-risingstar2009

risingstar2009

*Start Rules of Engagement*
Ships Allowed:
*Mirror/Fleet Variants are Allowed*

Federation: Light Cruiser (Miranda), Escort (Saber + Refit), Heavy Escort & HEC(Akira Variants), Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy + Refit/Retrofit), Tactical Escort (Defiant + Refit/Retrofit), Advanced Escort (Prometheus MVAE), Advanced Research Vessel (Nebula + Retrofit), Blockade Runner Escort (Steamrunner + Retrofit), Long Range Science Vessel (Intrepid + Refit/Retrofit), Advanced Heavy Carrier (Excelsior + Retrofit), Assault Cruiser (Sovereign + Refit)

KDF: BoP's (B'rel must decloak before firing), Vor'cha, Negh'var, possibly the D-7 K'Tinga

Romulan: D'deridex, Dhelan, Mogai

Jem'Hadar: JHAS, JHEC, JHDC

Cardassian: Galor Class Cruiser

Breen: Chel Grett Cruiser

Weapons
Mk XI or XII Commons Only. Must have at least 1 energy weapon and torpedo launcher Fore and Aft. No Turrets or Mines Allowed.

*No Fleet/Rep/Dilithium Store Allowed.*

Federation: Phasers, Photons, and Quantum Torpedoes
KDF: Disruptors and Photons Torpedoes
Romulan: Disruptors and Plasma Torpedoes
Jem'Hadar: Polaron and Quantum Torpedoes
Cardassian: Phasers and Photon Torpedoes
Breen: Polaron and Transphasic Torpedoes

Standard setup is 2 energy weapons + 2 projectile launchers forward, 1 to 2 energy weapons + 1 to 2 projectile launchers in aft.

Deflector/Impulse/Shields
Mk XI or XII Commons only.

Warp/Singularity Core
Mk XI or XII Common Only.

Devices
None

Consoles
Universal, Unique, or Fleet Consoles Not Allowed. Mk XII Commons Only (Green Mk XI, Blue Mk X are acceptable).

Engineering
No Neutronium Armor
1x Ablative or Tetraburnium Hull Armor
1x Monotanium Alloy
1x Other Engineering Console (No Multiples)

Science
No Restrictions other than only being allowed to use a single copy (i.e. 1x Shield Emitter Amplifier)

Tactical
1x Specific Energy Weapon
1x Specific Projectile Weapon
1x Directed Energy Distribution Manifold or Prefire Chamber
1x Warhead Yield Chamber

Ship Specific Consoles
*Not Negotiable*

Breen Chel Grett Cruiser - Breen Energy Dissapator
Advanced Escort (MVAE) - MVAE Console
Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy Class) - Saucer Separation


Carrier Pets
Rare (Starting versions) Only

Federation: Delta Flyers, Type 8 & 10 Shuttles, Peregrine Fighters, Shield Repair Units, and Danube Runabouts (Yellowstone Excluded as it was produced after the Dominion War)

KDF: BoP Frigates, To'Duj Fighters

Jem'Hadar: Jem'Hadar Fighters, Jem'Hadar Attack Ships.

Romulan, Cardassian, and Breen had no small craft at this time


Duty Officers
None

Bridge Officer Abilities
Ensign and Lieutenant Grade Abilities Only. No AoE (Area of Affect) Abilities. Captain's Abilities are acceptable. You can run multiple copies of a single ability.

*Please avoid Aux2Bat builds. Aux2SIF/IDF is perfectly acceptable.*

Traits
Character Traits Only. No Reputation Space/Ground Traits Allowed.

Skills
No Restrictions

*End Rules of Engagement*

If you have any questions, please leave me a post here, or send me an email in-game @risingstar2009.

Thank you for your time and interest in this and other Star Trek Battles Channel Events.

Signed

Risingstar
Admin

p.s. Rules are now set in stone. Please equip accordingly.

Also, please state if you would like to use Teamspeak for this. And for those who can record video and post it to our Youtube Channel, please have it active for this event. I may end up copying all the vids and making an episode out of it.

*End of Message*

Rom-Fed/Federation Players
@theraven2378

Rom-KDF/KDF Players

Jem'Hadar/Cardassian/Breen Alliance
@risingstar2009: Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
@tomgonjinn23: Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier w/JH Fighters
@markhawkman: Breen Chel Grett Cruiser
@skatedeath: Breen Chel Grett Cruiser

General Availability
@groomofweird
@Trizeo
@papertoasty
@dragonsbrethren
@admiraltrappitt
@micadog5
@Kamakaze101
@dalolorn
@ethanbishop
@tyriniusss
@tomadele
@steveangelis
@damienvryce2
@starswordc
@vangreal


Festivities will kick off at 1000 Hours Mountain Standard Time (GMT-7) on June 18th and run until 2200 MST June 20th. At least for my involvement.

theraven2378

Hmmm, what ship to break out?

Sovereign Refit or Saber retrofit