Isn't it always fun when some newbie...

aloishammer

...starts spamming the hell out of "Hey all you people who have played this for 2 years or more, I've been at it 2 weeks and I'm here to tell all of you what great stuff this game needs to steal from the suck-TRIBBLE game I just ragequit?"

And double the fun when the newbie here to tell us all what the game needs then starts spewing every dead horse that's been beaten since Beta?

grandnaguszek1

Happens all the time on the SWTOR forum.

organicmanfred

Thanks for making this thread


- Yo heyyy Devs pleazzzzzz buff the Scimitar because I was defeated 20 times in a Story mission
- I have played this game for 2 weeks and I know .... .... (insert any "much better", "what would fit from Eve Online,WoW, SWToR, or "why this game is bad" list)
- I know why Cryptic does that...
- I have opened 4 Lock-Boxes and didnt get a Bug Ship
- This game is stupid because...

And dont forget all those honest open letter to:...

virusdancer

"Dead horses" weren't necessarily bad ideas...perhaps somebody needs to do a thread, "Cryptic, what's your beef with dead horses?"...eh?

starkaos

There is always the 0.1% chance that they are right, but each MMO has their own style and what works for one MMO doesn't for another. Personally, STO needs more complex missions that aren't solved through a phaser, decent exploration, and onboard ship missions since that is what the Star Trek series had.

catstarsto

My favorite goes back some years, u used to teleport right infront of admiral quinns office when u beamed to the station, before the teleport pads where installed (your first mission was to find it and talk to him) yet, my first year playing the most asked question around ESD general chat was "wheres admiral quinns office?" (falls over) ...so they changed ESD (the last look) and put the place u teleported to, in another room away from view of his office, then they seemed to find it easier :rolleyes:

organicmanfred

problem is, a newbie turns often pretty fast into a noob and starts to rage and goes into selfdefence for everything he says.

There are already a few candidates for that out there: Dont troll me, I said dont troll me, I warn you

or the other variant the usual having an excuss for raging: I know I have bad garmin, english is not my language, so dont troll me or I wll report you.

virusdancer

Quite a few things being attributed to the "newbie" are the same things folks that have been around since beta do...

edit: As an aside, heh - how many of the folks sporting Jul/Aug 2012 instead of Jun 2012 dates do you think ended up with Jul/Aug instead because they were on a temporary vacation from the forums at Cryptic's request at the time?

catstarsto

organicmanfred wrote: »

problem is, a newbie turns often pretty fast into a noob and starts to rage and goes into selfdefence for everything he says.

There are already a few candidates for that out there: Dont troll me, I said dont troll me, I warn you

or the other variant the usual having an excuss for raging: I know I have bad garmin, english is not my language, so dont troll me or I wll report you.

I think its like joining a new school, you dont know who to ask for help, or who is going to jump all over you. Since we arent looking into a real persons eyes, or get to see a personality in facial expression, people can quickly forget they are dealing with another person. This goes for both sides, new people can just as easily join and try to bring up a bad attitude then wonder why everyone is avoiding em or owning em. But you can also have new people run off by getting a bad first impression if trolled when they ask for help.

I think when u first enter into a social game, take the time to talk to and get to know those around u, they may offer u hints and help. But dont be frustrated by people out to make a fool of you. You could very well get a good start and make many friends like I did, in game im polite and often tell jokes to help provide a pleasant atmosphere for those who i game with. My best advice, find someone who wears a star fleet uniform, they are more often helpful then someone who looks like a mad max villain or a street walker.

aloishammer

virusdancer wrote: »

"Dead horses" weren't necessarily bad ideas...perhaps somebody needs to do a thread, "Cryptic, what's your beef with dead horses?"...eh?

Knock yourself out.

They may not be bad ideas per se, but they're still dead horses for some reason- often as not, and another of my favorites, dead because the Devs and management are unified in their stance "We're not doing that, because" but the modern-day gamer can't tolerate being denied their Absolute Right of Whatever *I* Want in *My* Game, Dammit™.

catstarsto wrote: »

...so they changed ESD (the last look) and put the place u teleported to, in another room away from view of his office, then they seemed to find it easier :rolleyes:

I'm sure there's some "Internet Law of Inverted Complexity" hiding in such situations. Something, perhaps, about nerds being prone to over-think things by so much that sometimes you have to make them more complicated to keep the nerds from trying to figure them out "from a point beyond the actual starting position?"

Of course it's also tied to that online game tendency "Never look around when you can ask someone to paint you a line leading there instead."

organicmanfred wrote: »

There are already a few candidates for that out there: Dont troll me, I said dont troll me, I warn you

or the other variant the usual having an excuss for raging: I know I have bad garmin, english is not my language, so dont troll me or I wll report you.

I'll give you 3 guesses what I do to those people, and the first 2 don't count.

markhawkman

virusdancer wrote: »

Quite a few things being attributed to the "newbie" are the same things folks that have been around since beta do...

edit: As an aside, heh - how many of the folks sporting Jul/Aug 2012 instead of Jun 2012 dates do you think ended up with Jul/Aug instead because they were on a temporary vacation from the forums at Cryptic's request at the time?

"vacation"? heh, possibly.

I've seen a lot of threads where people have actually asked for help, and I love to help.

organicmanfred

Silence, I' ll report you!!

:D:D

virusdancer

aloishammer wrote: »

Knock yourself out.

They may not be bad ideas per se, but they're still dead horses for some reason- often as not, and another of my favorites, dead because the Devs and management are unified in their stance "We're not doing that, because" but the modern-day gamer can't tolerate being denied their Absolute Right of Whatever *I* Want in *My* Game, Dammit™.

Are you seriously suggesting that Cryptic has never said "we're doing X" and then done Y or that they never said "we're not doing X" and then done X?

C'mon...lol...it was one of my favorite old jokes.

Stahl would talk about great things they were planning...that would never happen.
Geko would talk about bad things they were not planning...that would always happen.

catstarsto

virusdancer wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that Cryptic has never said "we're doing X" and then done Y or that they never said "we're not doing X" and then done X?

C'mon...lol...it was one of my favorite old jokes.

Stahl would talk about great things they were planning...that would never happen.
Geko would talk about bad things they were not planning...that would always happen.

Then CatStar would talk about things...and he was always happening!

But yeah, communication is a bit lacking, idk if its they have so many changes that cant keep up or if they just toss a bunch of fish in the pond and see what they catch. Hmm, now i picture their main office looking like wallstreet during trade hour! :O

organicmanfred

Oh boy, I just saw that alois made a sarcastic reply to a post of mine.

I warn you, just because I never reported a player doesnt give you the right to troll me. You troll

aloishammer

virusdancer wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that Cryptic has never said "we're doing X" and then done Y or that they never said "we're not doing X" and then done X?

Nope. Just dealing with the generic concept of dead horse topics overall...and the people who just can't stop beating them.

C'mon...lol...it was one of my favorite old jokes.

Stahl would talk about great things they were planning...that would never happen.
Geko would talk about bad things they were not planning...that would always happen.

And then that one time BranFlakes said "Calm down, this is leaked, you haven't heard the whole story yet" and some clown with "hammer" in his name said "Yeah, once we get the whole spiel it'll probably be worse."

...and then the Anniversary was "revamped."

virusdancer

Heh, there's too much power - we need to tweak the Eng consoles. Have they looked around recently?

TTL is too low - we need to tweak Tac BOFF Ability stacking. Have they looked around recently?

There's so many examples here and there...of it looking like there's half a dozen left hands and half a dozen right hands with none of the left hands and right hands in agreement.

That's not to say there aren't some serious dead horses out there...I mean, things where folks are just beating little piles of bone dust cause that's all that's left; but there tends to be a very dismissive attitude of things which in the end comes down to being no different than what's being dismissed.

Joe Random: Your idea is just your opinion.
Random Joe: Like your idea?
Joe Random: But, but, but...
Random Joe: /facepalm

Yeah, there are folks that come in and want to change the game into something completely different based on what they like - they don't have to be new though. And besides, without evaluating the potential need for change - you're left with facing stagnation.

Then there's the Canon extremists...and well...

Joe Random: That violates Canon!
Random Joe: Where's the 2409/2410 Canon that's being violated?
Joe Random: But, but, but...
Random Joe: /facepalm

Then there's the tricky rules on necroing threads. Wait, can't talk about that - it's moderation.

Joe Random: You can't discuss moderation.
Random Joe: But what if there's a question or explanation needed to clarify things?
Joe Random: But, but, but...
Random Joe: /facepalm

In the end, yes...sadly, the forums can end up being more fun than the game, eh? Meh...

virusdancer

markhawkman wrote: »

"vacation"? heh, possibly.

Wait, what? Er, I didn't say anything about that...wasn't me. I'm a good boy! Er, goodish...at least since the Forumpocalypse of 2012...ahem.

organicmanfred

I had a "vacation" from the game at this time. What happened?

aloishammer

Oh- and not limited to newbies, but seriously- what's with the astounding number of people who combine being long-winded with having no Enter key, or at least no clue that it can be used to break text into digestible paragraphs rather than one monolithic block? Every one of their posts, based on length, looks like a brick (for the short ones) or a concrete block standing up on end.

Often the cretins who do this also run short of spaces, and we all know how vital a working spacebar is to this game. Are these people for real? :eek:

virusdancer

aloishammer wrote: »

Oh- and not limited to newbies, but seriously- what's with the astounding number of people who combine being long-winded with having no Enter key, or at least no clue that it can be used to break text into digestible paragraphs rather than one monolithic block? Every one of their posts, based on length, looks like a brick (for the short ones) or a concrete block standing up on end.

Often the cretins who do this also run short of spaces, and we all know how vital a working spacebar is to this game. Are these people for real? :eek:

I've wondered if the increase in some of those eyebleedwalloftextmonstrositieswithoutanysortof...argghhh...ahem, I've wondered if that increase has come about from the increase in the number of folks that post from a mobile device, eh?

aloishammer

virusdancer wrote: »

I've wondered if the increase in some of those eyebleedwalloftextmonstrositieswithoutanysortof...argghhh...ahem, I've wondered if that increase has come about from the increase in the number of folks that post from a mobile device, eh?

The thought has crossed my mind...not that it does anything but add to the annoyance if true. "Sure this gives everyone else headaches, but my fantastic ideas must be posted right! freaking! now! so all you poor crosseyed chumps suck it up."

Nevermind that I can see that for the smaller ones, but can you imagine trying to type the equivalent of 2 pages of newspaper on one of those things? We're not talking inconsiderate posting here, we're talking severe masochism with a sadistic "suffer along with me" component. :eek:

cptjhunter

virusdancer wrote: »

I've wondered if the increase in some of those eyebleedwalloftextmonstrositieswithoutanysortof...argghhh...ahem, I've wondered if that increase has come about from the increase in the number of folks that post from a mobile device, eh?

I have posted here from my Android at work, during my meal breaks. You can use proper spacing, and grammar. Spell check will sometimes change in game acronyms, and such, to a real word before I submit, sometimes.

centersolace

cptjhunter wrote: »

I have posted here from my Android at work, during my meal breaks. You can use proper spacing, and grammar. Spell check will sometimes change in game acronyms, and such, to a real word before I submit, sometimes.

Paragraphs are something that don't often occur though.

iconians

I, too, have also noticed a trend in communication between human beings where people get upset that a well-written and thought-out post can't be digested in less than 60 seconds, but they still have the burning desire to post an opinion about it.

ursusmorologus

aloishammer wrote: »

...starts spamming the hell out of "Hey all you people who have played this for 2 years or more, I've been at it 2 weeks and I'm here to tell all of you what great stuff this game needs to steal from the suck-TRIBBLE game I just ragequit?"

And double the fun when the newbie here to tell us all what the game needs then starts spewing every dead horse that's been beaten since Beta?

Damn customers, always bringing feedback

starkaos

aloishammer wrote: »

Oh- and not limited to newbies, but seriously- what's with the astounding number of people who combine being long-winded with having no Enter key, or at least no clue that it can be used to break text into digestible paragraphs rather than one monolithic block? Every one of their posts, based on length, looks like a brick (for the short ones) or a concrete block standing up on end.

Often the cretins who do this also run short of spaces, and we all know how vital a working spacebar is to this game. Are these people for real? :eek:

Would you prefer posts limited to 140 characters or less?

aloishammer

ursusmorologus wrote: »

Damn customers, always bringing feedback

Damn people with no grasp of subtlety whatsoever.

Yeah, damn those customers bringing a year's worth of feedback on every detail of your business 30 seconds after they step inside your shop for the first time. :rolleyes:

starkaos wrote: »

Would you prefer posts limited to 140 characters or less?

I'd prefer comprehensible English ("comprehensible," not "perfect English thesis level," note) in measured paragraphs over people having page-wide by two-page-tall monolithic uncontrolled vowel movements with nary a line break or space in sight, yes.

And now you and urus both get a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat, and 3 free (not to mention desperately needed) visits to Dr. Phil's Clinic for the Subtlety Impaired plus his home training course "How to Stop Missing Those Annoying Points."

rahmkota19

aloishammer wrote: »

Oh- and not limited to newbies, but seriously- what's with the astounding number of people who combine being long-winded with having no Enter key, or at least no clue that it can be used to break text into digestible paragraphs rather than one monolithic block? Every one of their posts, based on length, looks like a brick (for the short ones) or a concrete block standing up on end.

Often the cretins who do this also run short of spaces, and we all know how vital a working spacebar is to this game. Are these people for real? :eek:

wait are you talking about typing in a style that some of us prefer buceuse their are some players wo dunnot speak english as good as you and are bad at gammra so to be mean to those of us is not very nice of u u troll and i repotr u bucuase u are maken fun of me for my lines which are good to reed and not a problum aslo do i think that bugships need 5 moar weapuns on each side and 6 tac cunsules and hangor buys and put in store for 1 zen that craptic gives to us and pvp is bad cause i is killed befure i can do smthin and stf are bad and missons are bad and i dont want star trek quotes in this game and blablabla are you still reading this and i know everuthing better than u


Something like that perhaps? Or did I not entirely catch where you were going?

Other than that, I just love these kind of threats. Because ultimately they go nowhere.

aloishammer

rahmkota19 wrote: »

Something like that perhaps? Or did I not entirely catch where you were going?

*finally stops laughing, catches breath, gets up off floor*

No, I think you pretty well nailed it. Especially the indignant yet incoherent ranting about people not grasping what's being indignantly yet incoherently ranted about.