I'm sorry but I think its ludicrous that you can buy that amount of work without the trust going to elder members of the fleet. I think threads like these underscore the need to setup a bound line of succession dependent on overall contribution of resources, that ratios their donation total to the equivalent steak in the fleet. Higher the donation amount percentile out of the total base value means the more members need to vote to kick you, and or are in line of succession to own the base if the leader quits, even if in another fleet.
Read the thread.
He actually bought another fleet, a T5 one, relocated all members, and right now, he is the only one in the T3 fleet. All of his members went to the bigger, better fleet, presumably keeping their rank and privilege.
He is selling an empty fleet. A simple T3 base, in a fleet in which he is the only one around.
So no ethical issues of hard work, trust, members etcetera in this thread. Otherwise, I'm sure many people would have filed reports already, but in my opinion, this is a quite fair business.
So no ethical issues of hard work, trust, members etcetera in this thread. Otherwise, I'm sure many people would have filed reports already, but in my opinion, this is a quite fair business.
What would there be to report? If he's the sole fleet leader, there's nothing any member could do no matter what.
He actually bought another fleet, a T5 one, relocated all members, and right now, he is the only one in the T3 fleet. All of his members went to the bigger, better fleet, presumably keeping their rank and privilege.
He is selling an empty fleet. A simple T3 base, in a fleet in which he is the only one around.
So no ethical issues of hard work, trust, members etcetera in this thread. Otherwise, I'm sure many people would have filed reports already, but in my opinion, this is a quite fair business.
Agreed,.The buying and selling of fleets and the possible impact on members has perplexed me somewhat before now but I see nothing untoward here, just a straightforward business transaction.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
He actually bought another fleet, a T5 one, relocated all members, and right now, he is the only one in the T3 fleet. All of his members went to the bigger, better fleet, presumably keeping their rank and privilege.
He is selling an empty fleet. A simple T3 base, in a fleet in which he is the only one around.
So no ethical issues of hard work, trust, members etcetera in this thread. Otherwise, I'm sure many people would have filed reports already, but in my opinion, this is a quite fair business.
Meanwhile what could have really happened was a bunch of people got booted from their fleet for the proposition of selling the fleet. What doesn't even have to have happened, but will happen. Forgive me but I don't take a posters post at face value when its in regards to putting a value amount on months to years of individual peoples hard work. Maybe I am too cynical in regards to online transactions, but I have seen many many people get ripped off through scammers. I own a fleet, and I founded it to be the sole proprietor of it, so thus I would not have to worry about getting booted if a fleet leader felt my donation efficiency level was down, or wanted to sell the base, or the leader or co-leader was having a bad day so they take it out on lower ranking fleet members. I would be willing to bet, at least one member of that fleet felt disenfranchised, and had no power to assume control.
Heck I could do the same, but I wont ever, because I think it shows lack of respect, imagine someone logs in a day or week from now who donated a million dilithium, finds themselves fleetless. Could they go to a top tier fleet and spend their Credits, sure, but does that mean it will be the same? nope. Some people join the fleet for the community and the enjoyment of completing projects together. I think a fleet should have to keep at least one or nominate the person with the highest donations over a period of one year.
In another game I play, there is a term for taking over the fleet or guild what have you its called being catfaced, it was termed after a guy named catface who burrowed into a guild, became good friends, then highjacked them through social engineering ect. To allow sales of fleets just means another attack vector on the part of scam artist looking to get rich.
There are a few realities people need to accept. First off fleets are the sole property of the fleet leader(s). if a fleet leader decides to liquidate the fleet that is his choosing. With this fact being true it is poor form to invest a considerable amount of resources into any fleet without first getting a idea of the fleet culture and the leaders. The other thing as a fleet leader it is not very smart to promote people to fleet leader without getting to know them very well and have them be committed to the fleet.
I see this kind of behavior in RL all the time. People choose to live in a fantasy land of the way things should be and not the way they actually are. Yes people shouldn't boot people out of fleets without cause just to liquidate the assets but it can and will happen, so be careful and forewarned.
Ideally, but from a practical stand point it really doesn't. Not in this game anyway.
I have one fleet leader that put "CAP" on words and give commands when he is online. Go conflict with other leaders and claims he is the boss and should follow what he said. Many members leave, now the fleet are own by him and his alternative characters.
When he not login for months, the t4 fleet is much very dead.
With fleet or no fleet in this game is not much different, unless like in between vs guild war/fleet war, that i will have to find a good fleet to play with. :rolleyes:
It's true for my fleet, because thats how we decided it would be.
Yes but when it comes down to it, If you as the leaders decided that you were going to sell or disband your fleet, then the the lower members could do nothing about it no matter how much they have contributed to the fleet.
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Meanwhile what could have really happened was a bunch of people got booted from their fleet for the proposition of selling the fleet. What doesn't even have to have happened, but will happen. Forgive me but I don't take a posters post at face value when its in regards to putting a value amount on months to years of individual peoples hard work. Maybe I am too cynical in regards to online transactions, but I have seen many many people get ripped off through scammers. I own a fleet, and I founded it to be the sole proprietor of it, so thus I would not have to worry about getting booted if a fleet leader felt my donation efficiency level was down, or wanted to sell the base, or the leader or co-leader was having a bad day so they take it out on lower ranking fleet members. I would be willing to bet, at least one member of that fleet felt disenfranchised, and had no power to assume control.
Heck I could do the same, but I wont ever, because I think it shows lack of respect, imagine someone logs in a day or week from now who donated a million dilithium, finds themselves fleetless. Could they go to a top tier fleet and spend their Credits, sure, but does that mean it will be the same? nope. Some people join the fleet for the community and the enjoyment of completing projects together. I think a fleet should have to keep at least one or nominate the person with the highest donations over a period of one year.
In another game I play, there is a term for taking over the fleet or guild what have you its called being catfaced, it was termed after a guy named catface who burrowed into a guild, became good friends, then highjacked them through social engineering ect. To allow sales of fleets just means another attack vector on the part of scam artist looking to get rich.
I purchased a new fleet, sent an email to everyone about it in game. I waited two weeks, sent another email. I wanted two more weeks, kicked all who had not been active in the last 6 months, waited another week, sent one last email and kicked the remainder. All the messages say pretty much the same thing. If you want an invite to the new fleet just send me a message and I will invite you. If after all of that they do not want to join that is their choice.
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They belong, in a proper sense, to those who built it.
Just being the Fleet Admiral does not mean I own my fleet.
My decisions are made to serve the members. Not myself.
I think you need to rethink what being a leader actually means.
I'm talking about reality not some warped form of idealism. You must be one of those idealists that live in a world of how it should be instead of the way it actually is. You are correct ideally the fleet belongs to the group as a whole but in reality its the fleet leaders sole property based on the way the game has the fleet system setup @ the moment.
In regards of leadership I am a leader in RL and in the STO world I along with two others lead one of the finest fleets in STO and my fleet mates will agree I am sure. I would never kick my members or sell my fleet. Its a symbol of pride, hard work and friendship for me.
Just as soon as people start to wake up from their fantasy land ldealism and realize the world is a nasty jungle and not some tv sitcom or fairy tai both the real world and virtual ones will be for the better
Makes me wonder how much our fleet is worth. Seasons 8 and 9 basically killed it. for those curious, we are 1/2 way between t4 and t5, we have t3 mine and embassy complete with t2 spire being worked on. Would be interesting to know if there is any kind of roughly set system to determine fleet 'worth' in ec
Makes me wonder how much our fleet is worth. Seasons 8 and 9 basically killed it. for those curious, we are 1/2 way between t4 and t5, we have t3 mine and embassy complete with t2 spire being worked on. Would be interesting to know if there is any kind of roughly set system to determine fleet 'worth' in ec
From my estimates, as I am shopping for fleets to buy myself as an expansion of my organization, my guess a fleet such as yours around 500 mil, I would pay maybe 400 myself though.
I'm talking about reality not some warped form of idealism. You must be one of those idealists that live in a world of how it should be instead of the way it actually is. You are correct ideally the fleet belongs to the group as a whole but in reality its the fleet leaders sole property based on the way the game has the fleet system setup @ the moment.
In regards of leadership I am a leader in RL and in the STO world I along with two others lead one of the finest fleets in STO and my fleet mates will agree I am sure. I would never kick my members or sell my fleet. Its a symbol of pride, hard work and friendship for me.
Just as soon as people start to wake up from their fantasy land ldealism and realize the world is a nasty jungle and not some tv sitcom or fairy tai both the real world and virtual ones will be for the better
Nice ad hominem.
You describe an honourable style of leadership which, apparently according to you, also has a price.
I purchased a new fleet, sent an email to everyone about it in game. I waited two weeks, sent another email. I wanted two more weeks, kicked all who had not been active in the last 6 months, waited another week, sent one last email and kicked the remainder. All the messages say pretty much the same thing. If you want an invite to the new fleet just send me a message and I will invite you. If after all of that they do not want to join that is their choice.
Unless your fleet is at capacity, you shouldn't feel it necessary to kick anyone who contributed to buying what you purchased, and received nothing from your sale, and never will even if they come back. It's pretty easy then to boot off the list via date or overall contributions if that time ever came.
Yeah its silly, people want to play a game called Startrek Online, and turn it into a game of Monopoly. Buy up that fleet real estate.
The problem is it may be called "Star Trek Online" but in reality its grind online. This is my first MMO and I already did not like the either pay to get ahead or grind until your eyes bleed. There is a better way.
So my idea of playing STO is playing the FE, playing STFs, enjoying social company with fleet members company and MUCH LARGER GOALS. It to me is NOT playing the same damn same STFs or the such missions again and again and AGAIN,
grind is bad....... That is not playing the game. That is being a TOOL.
The problem is it may be called "Star Trek Online" but in reality its grind online. This is my first MMO and I already did not like the either pay to get ahead or grind until your eyes bleed. There is a better way.
So my idea of playing STO is playing the FE, playing STFs, enjoying social company with fleet members company and MUCH LARGER GOALS. It to me is NOT playing the same damn same STFs or the such missions again and again and AGAIN,
grind is bad....... That is not playing the game. That is being a TOOL.
With all due respect, I have been in worse, so much worse. Check out my leveling stats on this game...
Here...
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Read the thread.
He actually bought another fleet, a T5 one, relocated all members, and right now, he is the only one in the T3 fleet. All of his members went to the bigger, better fleet, presumably keeping their rank and privilege.
He is selling an empty fleet. A simple T3 base, in a fleet in which he is the only one around.
So no ethical issues of hard work, trust, members etcetera in this thread. Otherwise, I'm sure many people would have filed reports already, but in my opinion, this is a quite fair business.
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What would there be to report? If he's the sole fleet leader, there's nothing any member could do no matter what.
Agreed,.The buying and selling of fleets and the possible impact on members has perplexed me somewhat before now but I see nothing untoward here, just a straightforward business transaction.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Cryptic have a policy not to get involved with internal fleet issues, so filing reports would be pointless.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Meanwhile what could have really happened was a bunch of people got booted from their fleet for the proposition of selling the fleet. What doesn't even have to have happened, but will happen. Forgive me but I don't take a posters post at face value when its in regards to putting a value amount on months to years of individual peoples hard work. Maybe I am too cynical in regards to online transactions, but I have seen many many people get ripped off through scammers. I own a fleet, and I founded it to be the sole proprietor of it, so thus I would not have to worry about getting booted if a fleet leader felt my donation efficiency level was down, or wanted to sell the base, or the leader or co-leader was having a bad day so they take it out on lower ranking fleet members. I would be willing to bet, at least one member of that fleet felt disenfranchised, and had no power to assume control.
Heck I could do the same, but I wont ever, because I think it shows lack of respect, imagine someone logs in a day or week from now who donated a million dilithium, finds themselves fleetless. Could they go to a top tier fleet and spend their Credits, sure, but does that mean it will be the same? nope. Some people join the fleet for the community and the enjoyment of completing projects together. I think a fleet should have to keep at least one or nominate the person with the highest donations over a period of one year.
In another game I play, there is a term for taking over the fleet or guild what have you its called being catfaced, it was termed after a guy named catface who burrowed into a guild, became good friends, then highjacked them through social engineering ect. To allow sales of fleets just means another attack vector on the part of scam artist looking to get rich.
There are a few realities people need to accept. First off fleets are the sole property of the fleet leader(s). if a fleet leader decides to liquidate the fleet that is his choosing. With this fact being true it is poor form to invest a considerable amount of resources into any fleet without first getting a idea of the fleet culture and the leaders. The other thing as a fleet leader it is not very smart to promote people to fleet leader without getting to know them very well and have them be committed to the fleet.
I see this kind of behavior in RL all the time. People choose to live in a fantasy land of the way things should be and not the way they actually are. Yes people shouldn't boot people out of fleets without cause just to liquidate the assets but it can and will happen, so be careful and forewarned.
Nope.
They belong, in a proper sense, to those who built it.
Just being the Fleet Admiral does not mean I own my fleet.
My decisions are made to serve the members. Not myself.
I think you need to rethink what being a leader actually means.
Ideally, but from a practical stand point it really doesn't. Not in this game anyway.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
I have one fleet leader that put "CAP" on words and give commands when he is online. Go conflict with other leaders and claims he is the boss and should follow what he said. Many members leave, now the fleet are own by him and his alternative characters.
When he not login for months, the t4 fleet is much very dead.
With fleet or no fleet in this game is not much different, unless like in between vs guild war/fleet war, that i will have to find a good fleet to play with. :rolleyes:
its as practical as people want it to be.
It's true for my fleet, because thats how we decided it would be.
Yes but when it comes down to it, If you as the leaders decided that you were going to sell or disband your fleet, then the the lower members could do nothing about it no matter how much they have contributed to the fleet.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
I purchased a new fleet, sent an email to everyone about it in game. I waited two weeks, sent another email. I wanted two more weeks, kicked all who had not been active in the last 6 months, waited another week, sent one last email and kicked the remainder. All the messages say pretty much the same thing. If you want an invite to the new fleet just send me a message and I will invite you. If after all of that they do not want to join that is their choice.
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
I'm talking about reality not some warped form of idealism. You must be one of those idealists that live in a world of how it should be instead of the way it actually is. You are correct ideally the fleet belongs to the group as a whole but in reality its the fleet leaders sole property based on the way the game has the fleet system setup @ the moment.
In regards of leadership I am a leader in RL and in the STO world I along with two others lead one of the finest fleets in STO and my fleet mates will agree I am sure. I would never kick my members or sell my fleet. Its a symbol of pride, hard work and friendship for me.
Just as soon as people start to wake up from their fantasy land ldealism and realize the world is a nasty jungle and not some tv sitcom or fairy tai both the real world and virtual ones will be for the better
From my estimates, as I am shopping for fleets to buy myself as an expansion of my organization, my guess a fleet such as yours around 500 mil, I would pay maybe 400 myself though.
Nice ad hominem.
You describe an honourable style of leadership which, apparently according to you, also has a price.
No irony intended.
Yeah its silly, people want to play a game called Startrek Online, and turn it into a game of Monopoly. Buy up that fleet real estate.
Unless your fleet is at capacity, you shouldn't feel it necessary to kick anyone who contributed to buying what you purchased, and received nothing from your sale, and never will even if they come back. It's pretty easy then to boot off the list via date or overall contributions if that time ever came.
The problem is it may be called "Star Trek Online" but in reality its grind online. This is my first MMO and I already did not like the either pay to get ahead or grind until your eyes bleed. There is a better way.
So my idea of playing STO is playing the FE, playing STFs, enjoying social company with fleet members company and MUCH LARGER GOALS. It to me is NOT playing the same damn same STFs or the such missions again and again and AGAIN,
grind is bad....... That is not playing the game. That is being a TOOL.
With all due respect, I have been in worse, so much worse. Check out my leveling stats on this game...
Here...
Off topic but what was the game about, as I haven't heard of it before I can't tell if what you have posted is good or bad to make a comparison.
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Are you kidding? There are a lot of people who would happily hand over the (in game) cash to get themselves a fleet with pre-built holdings.
Hell, if I could afford it I'm not sure I'd say no.
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because not everyone wants to use the NoP services?
Some people don't want to use a channel run by a certain fleet.
yeah, damn us to hell. we have completely ruined sto.
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I don't believe the reference was to your fleet. I believe the reference was to the channels namesake/their Fed Fleet.
I can vouch that Steve is trustworthy in game. Why else would he offer free fleet items to memebers of the STB channel?
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