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Soooo this Scimitar hate
jagdhippies
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I don't get why it is hard for some to believe that the romulans would build more scimitars. Here they are with the blueprints to a powerful as heck ship that can wipe the floor with starfleet's best. What would you do? I would build more, as many more as I could find a logical use for. Granted I wouldn't have kept the wings that fricken long. If you are not equipping the thalaron weapon there is no reason for those monsters.
Would I have a few thalaron equipped scimies flying around??? Heck yes, but I would not want all of my captains capable of nuking my new capital, given the star empire's tumultuous past and all.
Also it is a bit diplomatic adopting a reman design as the flagship (at least temporarily). For me it is not entirely out of the realm of belief that the new government, interested in reconciling with the remans and becoming stronger, would turn the scimitar design into a way to boost ties with the remans.
Would I have a few thalaron equipped scimies flying around??? Heck yes, but I would not want all of my captains capable of nuking my new capital, given the star empire's tumultuous past and all.
Also it is a bit diplomatic adopting a reman design as the flagship (at least temporarily). For me it is not entirely out of the realm of belief that the new government, interested in reconciling with the remans and becoming stronger, would turn the scimitar design into a way to boost ties with the remans.
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Yeah I noticed I had the wrong thread after I saved it, DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My bad
1) It's powerful
2) It's not Fed
nah allot of us hate feds too. its not the ship that I hate its a nice ship. it is the people that fly them.
Still there is some suspense of disbelieve that has to be applied to a game like that and building more scimitars certainly isn't the worst one.
About the thalaron weapon: Well in Nemesis that was pretty much treated as one of the worst kinds of weapons existing. Not because of its destructive capacities, but because of the cruel way it works.
In the Destiniy novels (I know, neither Star Trek canon nor Star Trek online canon...) LaForge outright refused to build one to stop the Borg while they were pretty much vaporizing the entire federation.
But also here: Some sacrafise have to be made.
Scimitar without tholaron is kind of pointless since the entire ship was essentially a tholaron generator.
So the same way I don't think feds should have cloak while I'm ok with SOME PARTICULAR ships like the Defieant or the GX having one I'm personally ok with the scimitar having that tholaron weapon: Removing that would basically robb those ships of their "identity".
The real reason for the scimitar hate in IMO that it is around far to much. Prety much every entrance is blocked by them, that fat things block the dyson sphere entrance, 10 of them are in every instance of Quo'nos, Sol and new romulus.
But its a good ship so why wouldnt one buy it?
Its kind of a bad circle. You can't blame the devs for making a good ship, you can't blame people for buying good ship. No one is really to blame.
But its kind of annoying since even if I buy into that things beeing build on regular base I doubt 2/3 or the republic fleet would consist only of them.
I didn't like the ship in nemesis either. But I like it in the game.
In Nemesis it was just dump. No matter how OP ppl consider that ship in STO its a joke compared to its evil-mary-sue on screen counterpart.
I personally just wish they would make a "small alternative skin".
No changes stat wise but just being half or even 1/3 of the current size. That would make a good "standard reman warbird" and tie in better with actual performance of the ship. Optional.
But that will never happen....
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I do have a small problem with the ship in game, its clipping. The devs need to take the clipping off of the scimitar, at least it's wings. A skin with much smaller wings would be nice as well.
If the exact same ship with the exact same build came out with a Fed look, there would be a lot more people flying it and a lot fewer people calling it OP.
Romulan society was a police state where people are constantly monitored and told to inform on each other. It was the home to the finest internal security apparatus in the quadrant. A group of slaves could not have constructed a super-dreadnought that is armed with a weapon even theoretical physics hasn't grasped yet, without the Tal Shiar noticing and approving.
Believe me, they had the blueprints . . . if they didn't build the thing for the Remans themselves as part of some scheme.
I'm just saying I can't blame people flying it. Impersonally enjoy flying it too.
I can very well relate to people not liking/ wanting to fly the ship too. There are actually a lot of ships in cstore I wouldn't fly if I got me for free.
That is probably true.
Though it is very strong.
Still they managed to build the thing secretly, no matter how strong that security apparatus is. That is canon. The empire would have never let the remans build such a ship knowingly...
And that means the remans security was good enough to keep the tal shiar and any sromulan security out, and that means they had no access to the plans at this time.
And given that they managed to keep the construction a secret the blueprints were probably highly secure and I find it reasonable to assume that the only copy of that plans were on the scimitar herself.
I would never buy a Scimitar for myself. It was kind of fun during Romulus day or whatever when I got the Octopus pet... but other than that, not interested in Scimitars.
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That's what they told Picard, right around the same time they said they wanted peace with the Federation.
It was not a Reman-only conspiracy. Dontara and other Romulans had integral roles to play in the coup. There's no reason to suspect they're not working for the Tal Shiar, or that they can't get ahold of the plans, or that the entire thing wasn't a Tal Shiar plot to dispose of the Senate and put a clone they created in control.
That's speculation, I'll admit. Part of the reason why Nemesis is a bad film is that they don't keep the character motivations consistent, so it's impossible to say for sure who was doing what for what reason. That might have made for an intriguing film, if they'd done it on purpose. As it is, there's no way to tell how the Scimitar was created, or for what reason, or who had access to it. It's just as likely that the Romulans would have gotten access to it's design as it is they would not have.
Always hide a lie close to the truth. Shinzon had no reason to lie to Picard in that matter.
And the MILITARY was in, and probably they got in far later down the road of that plan.
Military and tal shiar are opposite sides, they are as hostile towards each other as it gets in the romulan society.
The thing is still that the entire plot falls flat, even the military wouldn't really have supported a human clone raised by remans getting control of the senate.
But the tal shiar was certainly not in. If they wanted a puppet in the romulan senate they would have put a puppet in lead if the romulan senate. Not an uncontrollable psychopathic rapist like Shinzon.
Well my statements are speculation too.
And yes that film was bad and inconsistent which makes it a bad base for discussions. But it's canon... So we have to deal with it^^
Still. Tying to put sense into it, If the actual romulans, parts of the senate, military or tal shiar would have been in it.... They would have wanted control over the scimitar THEMSELVES.
So I heavily doubt the tal shiar had even a clue. And the military was probably confronted with finalized facts: "we have that warship, we have tholeron weapons. We can take over the empire. Are you in or not?"
That's IMO the only way the result makes the remotest sense.
Leads us back to the ship beeing build in secret.
That had succeeded, and, given the tal shears efficiency the plans were probably never put into any kind of network.
They can only have existed in the secret construction yard and the scimitar herself, if there even was a real yard.
And given that their secrecy even tricked the tal shiar they probably were smart enough to delete the plans from the yard or destroy it entirely, leaving only plans in the scimitars computer.
Because the scimitar was the remans joker. If the romulans could have a chance to get their hands on the plans they would have lost their advantage.
We should agree to disagree here, or at least agree that all we have to go on is speculation because nobody involved in the film cared anymore.
In the context of STO, the Romulans obviously got ahold of it . . . somehow, at some point, maybe Iconians did it . . . and the Republic is building Romulan-style ships based off of it's design.
It would have been easy to use the same graphics, lighten the thalaron color, and make it an 'enhanced plasma shockwave' to abide by the treay. This is just me being a geek, though. Not a complaint about the ship or the weapon in general.
Well we can agree on that.
After all, as I said.... We have to invest a lot of suspense of disbelief into Star Trek online, even in context of the already inconsistent canon. And there are far far worst examples then this one in the game (entire enemy factions like the true way or the Terran empire in the current forms make far less sense then having tons of scimitars )
And I'm always glad to see canon ships. So I won't complain.
That's the funniest thing about seeing Scimitars above Earth.
Romulan Tac Officer: OOPS!
*billions of humans turn into ash*
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As far as I (or Memory Alpha) can tell, it's only been banned by the Federation.
TNG the chain of command i believe thats what picard was going after
Nemisis the movie
really doesnt matter ..The feds have the genisis device :P
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So, I'll take some Isolytic burst weapons on all of my non-Khitomer Accord races ships. Like, Hirogen, Tholian, Breen, Jem'Hadar...because, who needs balance when you can nuke a Planet Killer from it's armored side with 1 subspace torpedo?
Technically it might not have been banned yet since, as far as I remember, Shinzon had the very first working tholeron weapons. Until nemesis that was just a theoretical concept.
I think nemesis was prety clear on how bad they were considered. I don't now if it was explicitly mentioned whether they are illegal or banned or not, but it was clear that they were the worst kind of weapon they could think of.
And, non canon (again) in the destiny novels they didn't even use them against the Borg although it seemed they seemed to be the only way to stop the Borg. They were considered so disgusting that they'd rather let their entire civilization die then using them.
Technically all your captains are still either romulan, federation or Klingon. All were part of the second kithomer accords ("even the romulans agreed to that" insurrection)
I'm RPing a Hirogen Hunter here for the hunt. Borg are not a worthy prey. Where's my subspace weapons to properly deal with those abominations?
Someone would have noticed, all the more reason to align with a few powerful military people. I don't believe for a second that anyone, tal shiar, military, or government would align with the remans without spying on them and taking every bit of data that they could. All they would need was the general location of the shipyard and a few scans to get enough of the design to duplicate it. The military people would be more likely to miss the thelaron part than the tal shiar.
This also helps explain the romulan's 'oh TRIBBLE stop him' effort in the movie. The military people, wanting new loyal soldiers and a source of powerful ships, could miss something as terrible as the WMD that was being equipped in it if the remans worked hard enough to hide it.
Granted, all of this is complete speculation, but fun to think about.
( i don't want to start about its goofy looks or its rediculus size)
Where are all the other Romulan ships?
...only scimitars everywhere, thats what i find annoying.
Hey, my Reman flies a T'varo. I'm leveling a Romulan to fly a Haakona. Yes, for the same price as a Scimitar...I'm actually going to buy a Haakona. Twisted, eh? Then again, I've seen folks drop out 2500 Zen on ships worse than the Haakona...
edit: Then again, if I give up before getting him to 50...it won't happen, but it's the plan.
People, people, it's supposed to be in Romulan Flotilla! LOL
I just got the Scim for my KDF-ROMs today.
The T'varo is the best Gunboat or Torpboat...but beams don't seem right for some reason.
Hence, I bought the Scim and it will look real purdy in orbit around Qo'nos.
Buy it.
Love it.
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i have 3 Romulans and not one flys a scimitar and never will, even if cryptic threw me one for free.
but i can live with it i mean the feds have the Odyssey Star Cruiser and the kdf has the Bortas Battle Cruiser both of which are large vessels.
i will admit though my knowledge of how powerful each one is, is lacking as i have only a Odyssey and haven't bought a scim or bortas.
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The Feds and klingons
A. dont have points on there ears +100% DPS and Moar
B. dont have a valdore console + 50 to 75% more defense maybe more
C. dont have the best pets in the game doing 3k dps on there own with superior defense as well
D dont have battlecloak nd a few other perks
So the Fed and klingon ships cant compete with the scimitar
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