What About Hellicarrier No 64? ( Winter soldier spoilers)

adverbero

So after the events of Winter soldier we know that the 3 IN prefix carriers have been destroyed or grounded with catastrophic damage

But heres the question, What about the less advanced , but cloakable Number 64 carrier.
Do you think it was fully operational again following the events of the avengers assemble , and if so do you think they would make a run for it under the cloak? Or turn it over to the US Navy/Airforce, Perhaps the US military will cease it through power, or maybe the UN will take it , who knows

But since I haven't seen any conformation of its fate, what do people think might have happened to it ?

steamwright

Based on what I'm seeing in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., I suspect any SHIELD assets are being seized by the country they are in, probably meaning the USA in this case, or perhaps by the United Nations. Everyone is incredibly unhappy with SHIELD right now, and is treating them on equal footing with HYDRA, the real enemy. They've already been seizing stationary bases. The helicarrier would be considered another base, most likely.

markhawkman

The basic gist I got was that most countries are essentially treating SHIELD and HYDRA as the same thing since they can't tell them apart. Sure... Hydra was less than 50%, but figuring out who is too difficult.

adverbero

Makes sense to me, I wonder if there where any hydra Agents on 64, obviously we know the Insight Crews were in deep for the most part, if not entirely ( Moff Tarkin esque ships captain and everything )

I for one wonder if the commendering and reverse engineering of the Advanced Shield tech will be a bad thing, surely the exposure to that kind of technology could be a cause for much instability ( probably, the kind of instability Ultron might be designed to reduce? side traking here, but Its noted that at one time Scarlet Witch was involved in defeating Ultron, perhaps that cameo may imply the character having a greater role in rise of ultron?)

steamwright

If SHIELD only had the Voyager engineering crew, they'd have that helicarrier repaired in no time, and an endless supply of carriers should any be completely destroyed. :rolleyes:

adverbero

steamwright wrote: »

If SHIELD only had the Voyager engineering crew, they'd have that helicarrier repaired in no time, and an endless supply of carriers should any be completely destroyed. :rolleyes:

Ah hand me my trusty Plot Cabal issue Hyper Spanner would you, I'll have it fixed in no time, and by that I mean when its most conveniently dramatic

sander233

steamwright wrote: »

If SHIELD only had the Voyager engineering crew, they'd have that helicarrier repaired in no time, and an endless supply of carriers should any be completely destroyed. :rolleyes:

I assumed that's how they got all they way up #64 already by Avengers.

Either that or they had a very long and costly development phase.

"Nope still not enough power to fly."

"Where is it?"

"Botttom of the ocean."

"(sigh) That's sixty-three we've written off now? Start again..."

adverbero

sander233 wrote: »

I assumed that's how they got all they way up #64 already by Avengers.

Either that or they had a very long and costly development phase.

"Nope still not enough power to fly."

"Where is it?"

"Botttom of the ocean."

"(sigh) That's sixty-three we've written off now? Start again..."

Well you gotta break a few Helicarriers to get a few Omelettes , Or was that breaking a few Eggs to get an Insight Program going?

hevach

Could be the old unit number fakeout. SEAL Team Six was only the second SEAL team, but was named sixth to make the Soviets go "Holy TRIBBLE they've got four more we didn't know about."

Alternately, whether sequential or not, the same numbering system could be applied to completely different things to make the numbers themselves less useful if intercepted. If you intercept a SHIELD communication with a given numbe and know all such numbers are attached to a helicarrier, even if you don't know which one, it's still useful information. But if the same numbers also apply to the Fridge, the Slingshot, random safehouses in major cities, small planes, and Lola, then the number is almost useless to you. Militaries usually don't operate this way, but intelligence agencies do.

adverbero

hevach wrote: »

Could be the old unit number fakeout. SEAL Team Six was only the second SEAL team, but was named sixth to make the Soviets go "Holy TRIBBLE they've got four more we didn't know about."

Alternately, whether sequential or not, the same numbering system could be applied to completely different things to make the numbers themselves less useful if intercepted. If you intercept a SHIELD communication with a given numbe and know all such numbers are attached to a helicarrier, even if you don't know which one, it's still useful information. But if the same numbers also apply to the Fridge, the Slingshot, random safehouses in major cities, small planes, and Lola, then the number is almost useless to you. Militaries usually don't operate this way, but intelligence agencies do.

Yeah its a classic Military Misdirection method,

steamwright

adverbero wrote: »

I for one wonder if the commendering and reverse engineering of the Advanced Shield tech will be a bad thing, surely the exposure to that kind of technology could be a cause for much instability ( probably, the kind of instability Ultron might be designed to reduce?

This leads to an interesting point, and one I hope the writers will address. I'm not sure the countries will try reverse engineering anything. Chances are they have some part of their military structure already aware of these features, since SHIELD drew support from all nations, but...that still leaves a wide, wide world of criminal and terrorist organizations to send raiders in for useful scraps. It is kind of like where we were at the start of Agents of SHIELD, where there was a strong underground market for scraps of alien technology following the invasion. This time, however, both SHIELD tech and the alien tech they'd locked away are vulnerable. Admittedly the nations of the UN as well as HYDRA have likely seized most of it, but again, its the scraps that will fuel the black market.

adverbero wrote: »

side traking here, but Its noted that at one time Scarlet Witch was involved in defeating Ultron, perhaps that cameo may imply the character having a greater role in rise of ultron?)

Scarlet Witch is to be in Avengers 2, and I suspect will play a significant role.

adverbero

steamwright wrote: »

This leads to an interesting point, and one I hope the writers will address. I'm not sure the countries will try reverse engineering anything. Chances are they have some part of their military structure already aware of these features, since SHIELD drew support from all nations, but...that still leaves a wide, wide world of criminal and terrorist organizations to send raiders in for useful scraps. It is kind of like where we were at the start of Agents of SHIELD, where there was a strong underground market for scraps of alien technology following the invasion. This time, however, both SHIELD tech and the alien tech they'd locked away are vulnerable. Admittedly the nations of the UN as well as HYDRA have likely seized most of it, but again, its the scraps that will fuel the black market.

That sounds very plausible, and also good for a variety of plot needs