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patcrowpatcrow Member Posts: 89 Arc User
Hello All


Andoria needs a major update. I mean it's a pointless social zone with nothing to do. I would like for cryptic to create a city place like on Bajor. I think a ice or crystal city would look awesome. Add a disco area and a bar for online parties. You should also add an arena for Ushaan.

It would be really cool to have a pvp area where you can only us blade weapons or even bare fists. However you could even have a pve area. Players can fight various npc's and earn some extra energy credits, dilithium, or even lobi crystals. It's been done in other games so I can't see way it can't be in this one.

The arena area could be a recycled version of Coliseum mission. Just turn the sand white to make it look like snow.

Just an idea to improve the game.

Thanks
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    would be cool if some of these places in game had far more meaning. I immediately think of ds9 and it's yo-yo life in sto.

    I've often thought a breen controlled planet/adventure zone similar to nimbus III would be cool. that environment is pretty awesome. you would think it would be easy to adapt that environment from desert to ice world. but it might actually be just as easy to start with a blank canvas and have something more unique. that's something only one of the art/environment devs would be able to answer.
  • ejsphcrispejsphcrisp Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    would be cool if some of these places in game had far more meaning. I immediately think of ds9 and it's yo-yo life in sto.

    I've often thought a breen controlled planet/adventure zone similar to nimbus III would be cool. that environment is pretty awesome. you would think it would be easy to adapt that environment from desert to ice world. but it might actually be just as easy to start with a blank canvas and have something more unique. that's something only one of the art/environment devs would be able to answer.

    "In 2375, after the Breen joined the Dominion, Weyoun claimed it in fact had a temperate climate. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil")"

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Breen_(planet)

    I do like the idea of another Nimbus III type planet though, maybe 2-3.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Social Zones in general needs an update; each of them should officer a series of unique missions (dailies) or minigames to make them more interesting. It's all fine and well having a bunch of social zones, but if they all provide the same (or nothing) then they aren't offering much as a whole, and people will pick a specific one and stick with it.

    Each social zone needs something unique to offer individual players.
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited April 2014
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    A no win arena daily mission where u fight waves of enemies with higher rewards as you continue. Add a desirable consumable and dil reward based on waves complete d
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.
    I think this is part of the problem. You've got too many social zones. The main ones (that are active) are ESD, First City, Dronza and DS9.

    The others, Bajor, Andoria, Vulcan/P'Jem (can we visit these outside of missions?); they currently pointless and serve no purpose. Mol'rhian and Defera on the other hand work perfectly (Mol'rhian more so). We can go there and do things, whether that's taking samples, fighting wild animals (or the Tal Shiar) or scanning radiation points.

    Couldn't you guys (Season 10) throw more daily missions or whatever into other social zones? Give people a reason to visit Bajor or Andoria. If not that, then (dare I say it) just remove them? It's somewhat bad enough that there isn't a huge difference to what can be done at the working social zones (they all work the same; they're just at different locations).

    How about some more games? It's been mentioned before, but Poker, or 3D Chess? Throw these into Dronaza or DS9? Throw an Orb related mission into Bajor. Throw an icicle themed mission into Andoria (let us create ice creams?) :P
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'd like an update, but I understand why there hasn't been one announced.

    I would like to add my name to the list of support for zone revamping, though I'm so pleased by recent updates to other zones and new areas, that i'm thankful for getting anything at all.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    Whats wrong with having a "Melee Only" arena there, with special melee weapons as rewards you can buy with Ushaan tokens?
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,536 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wouldn't it be possible for Cryptic to pull some contests off using Foundry missions? Let users create environs on planets like Andoria, Vulcan, etc... and then include their missions in a big-time Foundry weekend type event where players are encouraged to play each of the submitted entries for one planet (have an Andoria Foundry Contest one weekend)... Then the winner of the contest could then have their created content moved from the Foundry and into normal content.

    The reward for the winner would be to have his/her character be used as the contact for the ground/space missions (with some exceptions of course, you wouldn't want to receive a hail from a Vice Admiral I'mana'hole)...

    What do you think?
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So that you are aware this thread should of been posted under The art of STO and will end up being moved there.
  • kagasenseikagasensei Member Posts: 526 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    ehhm, we already have cross-faction PvP (and before that, we even had the possibility for FED vs FED "wargames"). FEDs can already "duel" each other. If anything, an Andoria-revamp should be centered around the Ushaan. As the game could use a melee combat revamp (better mechanic with associated UI, more weapons, melee-only arenas) anyways, it should probably be connected to that.

    The alternative would be story content on a revamped Andoria (something about the Aenar?), however, Bajor already demonstrated how short-term such a solution is. If anything it should be a Feature Episode with an additional repeatable PvE mission (like it is done for Bajor now, with quite some delay, tho)

    Relocating Q's Winter Wonderland to Andoria is not a realistic option in my eyes.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    So that you are aware this thread should of been posted under The art of STO and will end up being moved there.

    this is the 3rd thread i seen u posting "Wrong Area!" lol doe sit matter the Mods will move it if! needed lol :rolleyes:
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Just put stuff there. It doesn't matter what you do, make it pretty, make it weird, make it separate from the rest of the game, and they will come.

    If you build it, they will come. :D
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    patcrow wrote: »
    Just an idea to improve the game.

    Fun ideas. I'd also like maybe some more stuff involving the aenar.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    You could possibly do some story missions or an arc based loosely on what the novels are doing with Andoria and the Andorians. You could also incorporate the Aenar, and THEN with that happening, you have a dev-focused reason to get up into expanding the area.

    After that door is opened, you can maybe get the green light to implement some of the ideas from this thread to expand the social aspect of the zone.

    Which is kind of how the Bajor stuff came around, the FE brought us all onto Bajor and we've been stuck with it ever since.

    I don't know, just trying to come up with something.
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't know, just trying to come up with something.

    I think it's less of them being able to come up with something and more of their superiors and bosses going: "Okay, I'm allowing you guys to spend time on coming up with something for these things."
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They re not even doing anything in the Alpha Quadrant, why would they update these maps
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I think it's less of them being able to come up with something and more of their superiors and bosses going: "Okay, I'm allowing you guys to spend time on coming up with something for these things."

    Maybe they should take showers or go to the bathroom more. You'd be surprised how great they would be for inspiration. :D
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Maybe they should take showers or go to the bathroom more. You'd be surprised how great they would be for inspiration. :D

    I see what you're getting at, but I still think it's not the lack of inspiration that's an issue here. It's more of the time they are permitted by the project managers and supervisors to do such thing. A dev may get a great idea while on the crapper but when they go to their boss or lead or supervisor about it, that person would say "Uh-huh. Write it down on a post-it somewhere and then get back to working on that other project I assigned to you." Kinda like how Taco was only given a limited amount of time to revamp ESD and the new Club 47 will have to be worked on after s9 launched since he didn't have enough time left in what was allotted to him.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    For social zones (other than the ESD hub) to become active they need to have a reason for a player to go their (IE a set of daily missions that offer a reward like the Defari Rescue Mission in the Zaria system.) Cryptic SHOULD have done that with the revamped Bajor surface zone (and people were mentioning and asking WHY that wasn't done when "The 2800" FE series started. When the Borg STF Equipment NPCs were homed on DS9 that zone became VERY active because there was a valid in game reason to go there that drew large groups of players there.

    I'll never understand WHY the Cryptic content team doesn't add one to three dailies in each of the major social zones that exist (Andor, Vulcan, et al.) Yes, when you first start STO, if you're a Star Trek fan, you probably will take your ship to the major available planet social zones to have a look; but after that visit. there's really NO reason to return. They ALL need to have something to do on a regular basis (IE a daily mission or two, that gives players a reason to go back there and make use of them.
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'll never understand WHY the Cryptic content team doesn't add one to three dailies in each of the major social zones that exist (Andor, Vulcan, et al.) Yes, when you first start STO, if you're a Star Trek fan, you probably will take your ship to the major available planet social zones to have a look; but after that visit. there's really NO reason to return. They ALL need to have something to do on a regular basis (IE a daily mission or two, that gives players a reason to go back there and make use of them.

    The best offer (and hope) that I can give is that such issues are part of the "old issues and revamping" they are saying that they are doing. Maybe the new Undine queued events with the randomized planet (Andoria, Cardassia, etc) are a step towards making the social zones meaningful (like how you have normal Defera and then the Borg Invasion version of Defera)?

    I don't know and the only thing I can do is make guesses.
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  • derrico1derrico1 Member Posts: 282 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    to make andoria better all they would have to do is add the skating events from Q's winter wonderland at least it be something rather then nothing at all.. as for vulcan be a great place for some vulcan lore missions as seen at starfleet academy
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    Andoria and Vulcan's only seeming purpose right now is doffing. Move the Winter event to Andoria and make a Risa type update.
  • millybunmillybun Member Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    *snip*

    Couldn't you guys (Season 10) throw more daily missions or whatever into other social zones? Give people a reason to visit Bajor or Andoria. If not that, then (dare I say it) just remove them? It's somewhat bad enough that there isn't a huge difference to what can be done at the working social zones (they all work the same; they're just at different locations).

    *snip*


    I'd prefer nothing get removed. Sure I'd like better looking and more "useful" social zones, but if they're not going to get revamped for a while that doesn't mean they should take them out. People still use the zones for other purposes, RP'ing for instance.

    The game needs more persistent areas, not more instanced queues you can do while standing around in ESD all day. We need places to see and actually *travel* to in the Star Trek universe, to boldly go and all that.

    Since the game first came out, we've lost a lot of neat things, missions, the old, more interesting STFs, persistent fleet action zones and the like. Don't need to cut out more of the game world.


    That being said, Andoria *does* need a revamp, and it *would* be nice if there were functional things to do there to draw some attention. It doesn't have to have a full Reputation system unto itself, but it could have some dailies, perhaps. Non-combat events, maybe? But nothing that throws the whole map out of whack if there are people who want to just enjoy the place to themselves as well.

    Could have ice mining? Warning NPCs exploring caverns of those ice-melting worm thingies? Small tasks to do for NPCs in an Andorian city/town? Finding a lost child on the surface?

    I imagine if the devs worked on something like a featured series of episodes, they could tie one to Andoria for some purpose, picking up a contact for instance, and introduce a new Andoria that way, doing a sort of "tutorial" for dailies or projects there.


    I would like to see it, visually, as a small slice of Andorian life, from the barren surface to an Andorian city, well part of a city, with caverns in-between.

    Also...Ushaan-tor.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ejsphcrisp wrote: »
    "In 2375, after the Breen joined the Dominion, Weyoun claimed it in fact had a temperate climate. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil")"

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Breen_(planet)

    I do like the idea of another Nimbus III type planet though, maybe 2-3.
    Meh, there's several ways to interpret that. Have we ever seen a Vorta complain about the cold? We know their homeworld had trees, but not how warm it was.... or well, anything else.
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  • emperordeslokemperordeslok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Right, just like Bajor, which gets pretty regular criticism for being boring and having nothing to do there.

    I'd love to update Andoria, but there needs to be a purpose to it, and I don't know what that is.

    I will say, Feds dueling Feds is probably a no go.

    Why not use it for the winter event one year?
  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    Andoria, Vulcan, Ferenginar, just to name a few. Even SF-Academy could get a bit bigger.

    It is important that there is something that you really can do there, elsewith it would be as dead as Hathon.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Taco is entirely right, and you all know that. Sure you can add a mission there, but people will go there, do the mission, and never come back. Just like Bajor.
    Or you can "force" the players to move there for any reasons, because obviously, your idea of fun is better than anybody else, and they'll leave ESD or another place. Then, you'll complain because ESD was revamped twice for nothing, and how we would need something to "force" the players to go there.

    Personally, I don't really care about those zone. I went there once, and yes they are good and well designed, but I don't care much beyond that. If they added something that forced me to go there for some carrot, I'll do it.
    Just like I did the Mirror Universe invasion event, for the reward. I positively hate this mission, and felt like a job more than gaming. But 50k dil/char was simply too good.
    So yes, I'll go there. But not for fun.
    Meh, there's several ways to interpret that. Have we ever seen a Vorta complain about the cold? We know their homeworld had trees, but not how warm it was.... or well, anything else.
    It may also have been a joke. The way it was said and all that.
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  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2014
    derrico1 wrote: »
    to make andoria better all they would have to do is add the skating events from Q's winter wonderland at least it be something rather then nothing at all.. as for vulcan be a great place for some vulcan lore missions as seen at starfleet academy

    How about skiing?
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