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Crossbreed Question...

stomperx99stomperx99 Member Posts: 863 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Ten Forward
The chances of this happening are next to nothing but if a Vulcan and a Ferengi were to have a baby would her/his lobes be pointy?


Hey get a load of them lobes and PLEASE make some art..
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Probably big and pointy.

    That's like if a Romulan and a Cardassian got together, would the offspring's forehead have a V-ridge or a Spoon?

    (Hey, it's possible - we know that Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar prisoners were held in the same Internment Camps after the attempted attack on the Founders' 'homeworld' failed, we see later on in 'Purgatory's Shadow'/'Inferno's Light' that Romulan, Cardassian, Breen, Klingon, Human, they're all held in the same Internment Camps unsegregated by species or gender.)
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited April 2014
    It's one of those things that should never, ever be allowed to happen.

    Like the Yeager.
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You have the power to stop this mods. Oh my eyes I can't unsee a Vulcan ferengi now :eek:
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    "The water is only 3 feet deep. They can wade. That's why the animals are gonna have to be quite tall." - Lister.
    "Nice plan, Lister. Excellent plan! Brilliant plan, Lister! What about the sheep? What are you going to do, buy them water-wings? Fit them with stilts? Better still, you could cross-breed them with dolphins and have leaping mutton. Baa, splash, baa, splash." - Riimmer.

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  • doctordnadoctordna Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Ok I am a geneticist, I work for a lab in Canada. Crossbreeding alien human hybrids is where I have to put the science "on pause" and allow the fiction to gibber away. LOL

    If we don't then the show stops being fun to watch. But here is the thing boys and girls. You live on the same planet with a lot of bizarre and interesting creatures and we share a lot of DNA with them. A chimpanzee is 99% that of your DNA but that doesn't make you an ape. DNA has billions upon trillions of chemical codes in the helix. I am probably boring you eh? Long story short, I cannot take an egg from a grasshopper and a sperm cell from a spider and force breeding a hybrid.

    Why? Because the grasshopper is an insect of the suborder Caelifera in the order Orthoptera, while the common spider is are a class Arachnida in the subphylum Chelicerata. Both animals are invertebrates and have exoskeletons but that is where they stop.

    Therefore alien human hybrids or even alien alien hybrids are out of the question unless...

    I had the science of Star Trek and then I could manipulate the cells of both the Alien donor and the Human donor to become a match. Every time they wanted a child together they would need to go to a lab. They could never reproduce naturally.

    Basically there are no odds to figure out. Sorry to be a wet blanket.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    doctordna wrote: »
    Ok I am a geneticist, I work for a lab in Canada. Crossbreeding alien human hybrids is where I have to put the science "on pause" and allow the fiction to gibber away. LOL

    If we don't then the show stops being fun to watch. But here is the thing boys and girls. You live on the same planet with a lot of bizarre and interesting creatures and we share a lot of DNA with them. A chimpanzee is 99% that of your DNA but that doesn't make you an ape. DNA has billions upon trillions of chemical codes in the helix. I am probably boring you eh? Long story short, I cannot take an egg from a grasshopper and a sperm cell from a spider and force breeding a hybrid.

    Why? Because the grasshopper is an insect of the suborder Caelifera in the order Orthoptera, while the common spider is are a class Arachnida in the subphylum Chelicerata. Both animals are invertebrates and have exoskeletons but that is where they stop.

    Therefore alien human hybrids or even alien alien hybrids are out of the question unless...

    I had the science of Star Trek and then I could manipulate the cells of both the Alien donor and the Human donor to become a match. Every time they wanted a child together they would need to go to a lab. They could never reproduce naturally.

    Basically there are no odds to figure out. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

    Go back and re-watch "The Chase."
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I think a Cardassian-Klingon hybrid would look pretty badass :cool:
  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Let's see, Human-Vulcan (despite the whole Iron blood/Copper blood issue), Human-Betazoid, several Human-Klingon (including derivitives like off-spring of a human-Klingon and a human and of a human-Klingon and a Klingon), Cardassian-Bajoran, Klingon-Romulan. These all appeared on the shows, a few of them as main characters.

    While the idea of a Vulcan-Ferengi offspring is more... esoteric, it can't be entirely ruled out as impossible or even illogical. After all, there was that one episode of DS9 (during the Maquis era) where Quark sat down with a Vulcan and explained the 'Logic of War and Economics' to them.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    Go back and re-watch "The Chase."

    But there begs the question: could there be an ST species so influenced in development by their homeworld environment, that even though they are an offshoot of the Preservers, they are no longer compatible with other Preserver-descended species?

    Ferengi might have been such. It has been noted that their brains are physically much different, with four lobes. I'm guessing the Xindi aquatics and insectoids might be others.
  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Actually, there are other species with four-lobed brains. The Dopterians are mentioned as one in DS9.
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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I like making hybrids in the alien creator. I've made a Romulan-Trill toon, and I've made a Cardassian-Human BOFF.

    What next? Andorian-Gorn? Ferengi-Talaxian? Jem'Hadar-Bynar... the combinations are limitless!!
  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    Let's see, Human-Vulcan (despite the whole Iron blood/Copper blood issue), Human-Betazoid, several Human-Klingon (including derivitives like off-spring of a human-Klingon and a human and of a human-Klingon and a Klingon), Cardassian-Bajoran, Klingon-Romulan. These all appeared on the shows, a few of them as main characters.

    Also, Katarian-Human. It was also inferred that a Trill-Klingon is possible before Jadzia got killed.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    But there begs the question: could there be an ST species so influenced in development by their homeworld environment, that even though they are an offshoot of the Preservers, they are no longer compatible with other Preserver-descended species?

    Ferengi might have been such. It has been noted that their brains are physically much different, with four lobes. I'm guessing the Xindi aquatics and insectoids might be others.
    Possibly Bolians. Their biochemistry apparently has a different PH than other races.

    Oh and there's a list on the wiki. :P
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    But there begs the question: could there be an ST species so influenced in development by their homeworld environment, that even though they are an offshoot of the Preservers, they are no longer compatible with other Preserver-descended species?

    Jadzia needed to undergo medical therapy before she and Worf could conceive, though that might have been the symbiote's fault (it also makes joined Trill massively allergic to insect bites, apparently).

    It would also be difficult for Andorians to have cross-species children if we allow the novelverse's idea that they have four sexes. Only way I can think of it working would be if an Andorian shen was the mother and was impregnated by a male alien.

    Also any species that lays eggs, especially ones that require external fertilization. Probably also any species with mirror chemistry although I don't know if we've ever seen any.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    It would also be difficult for Andorians to have cross-species children if we allow the novelverse's idea that they have four sexes. Only way I can think of it working would be if an Andorian shen was the mother and was impregnated by a male alien.
    Well, STO apparently has accepted that aspect of the novelverse, since it is referenced in a few places, including chargen.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Jadzia needed to undergo medical therapy before she and Worf could conceive, though that might have been the symbiote's fault (it also makes joined Trill massively allergic to insect bites, apparently).

    It would also be difficult for Andorians to have cross-species children if we allow the novelverse's idea that they have four sexes. Only way I can think of it working would be if an Andorian shen was the mother and was impregnated by a male alien.

    Also any species that lays eggs, especially ones that require external fertilization. Probably also any species with mirror chemistry although I don't know if we've ever seen any.
    Well, if we look at ENT, only 2 Andorians are needed to reproduce. What does that say about the four sexes thing? Well... maybe the difference between Tarah and Talas was a matter of gender? Maybe there are physical differences, but otherwise the two genders are mostly equivalent?
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  • theroyalfamilytheroyalfamily Member Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    We know that Bajoran/Cardassian, Human/Romulan, and Klingon/Romulan are perfectly compatible, since we see those happen without any additional medical help (Ducat has two half-Bajoran kids because he has the Hasperat Fever; and we see Romulan half-breeds with prisoners, which I presume also didn't get any additional help with conception...). We know that Klingon/Trill and Klingon/Human are possible, with medical help. Everything else is unknown with regards to natural/artificial pregnancies, as far as I can tell. (We don't see a lot of human/vulcan hybrids; Sarek and Amanda could easily have gotten medical help with Spock.)
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Well, if we look at ENT, only 2 Andorians are needed to reproduce. What does that say about the four sexes thing? Well... maybe the difference between Tarah and Talas was a matter of gender? Maybe there are physical differences, but otherwise the two genders are mostly equivalent?
    I think most people nowadays see it as 4-partner marriages, two of each sex. Of course, Shran seemed to have only one lover at a time, so that might be out the window, since it was only non-canon stuff anyways that said it (I think it came from pre-TNG stuff, which is even less canon than the rest of everything).
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    IIRC there is an oblique mention in a TNG ep, but that was more of a hint than anything else.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It might also be that there are four sexes, but they reproduce in pairs, with A mating with C and B mating with D, yet the offspring can be A, B, C, or D no mater whether their parents were A+C or B+D. This could work if they had two pairs of sex chromosomes instead of one pair.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    IIRC there is an oblique mention in a TNG ep, but that was more of a hint than anything else.

    Yeah, it's an extrapolation from a throwaway line in "Data's Day" that Andorian marriages consist of four people. As we've noted, this could just as easily mean polygamy, but the EU showrunners said that they decided four biological sexes gave more varied storytelling opportunities, such as a subplot in part of the novelverse where the Andorians had a population crisis because of their complicated reproductive process.
    lilchibiclari wrote: »
    It might also be that there are four sexes, but they reproduce in pairs, with A mating with C and B mating with D, yet the offspring can be A, B, C, or D no mater whether their parents were A+C or B+D. This could work if they had two pairs of sex chromosomes instead of one pair.

    I'm not fully versed on this so I'm relying on this Memory Beta page. The way it works is the two male-looking sexes, chaan and thaan (Shran is a thaan, FYI), together fertilize a shen, who then transfers the fetus to a zhen who gestates the child in kind of the same way as a marsupial female or a male seahorse. The zhen does not contribute genetically to the offspring at all.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    I'm not fully versed on this so I'm relying on this Memory Beta page. The way it works is the two male-looking sexes, chaan and thaan (Shran is a thaan, FYI), together fertilize a shen, who then transfers the fetus to a zhen who gestates the child in kind of the same way as a marsupial female or a male seahorse. The zhen does not contribute genetically to the offspring at all.
    that sounds overly complicated.... (it also doesn't explain why FOUR are needed)

    I like my idea better.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    that sounds overly complicated.... (it also doesn't explain why FOUR are needed)
    Like anything else of this nature, there's gotta be some obscure evolutionary advantage to it. Remember, evolution selects for reproductive viability, which isn't necessarily the same thing as what you or I would consider a logical design: just look at the orthodontal difficulties I've got because humans selected for bigger brains.

    One possible explanation I can think of is that it created tight-knit family groups that were able to raise offspring better (which would certainly be an advantage in as hostile an environment as Andoria is).
    I like my idea better.
    Never said it wasn't a bit silly, just that that's what they decided to go with.
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